Tried a Triumph Tiger 800 and Yamaha Super Tenere today

[JohnnyBoxer]

OK maybe not the cost of one box, but I know the BMW Vario top box is about £500, so would guess the Metal GSA Panniers would be more expensive.

I certainly bet you cannot get a full set of GSA luggage for under a grand, the Yamaha is all 3 boxes with fitting kits for just over £750 (fitted price)

Well a set of metal GSA panniers can be had for about £500 and a topbox for £300

I would bet that if you were on a deal BMW v Yamaha and to clinch it, you needed to pay £750 for 3 metal boxes, then a BMW dealer would match it

A couple of years ago I paid less than £750 for 3 GSA boxes

Servicing costs, if you actually priced it up, I bet there is bugger all difference between a Yam or a BMW dealer, situated within a 20 mile radius of each other

So Rasher, please do your homework & research, before making sweeping and generally absurd generalisations otherwise it comes actross that you're talking incorrect bollox

 

[Tobers]

Tobers,

Are you the same one that used to post on the RSVR.net forum a few years back? I used to post as "Buster" on there, that's the dog in the avatar, anyhow I digress......

Why don't you try a KTM 990 SMT, its a bit more "Travel" orientated than your SM, I got one mid July and I'm loving it, what a complete hoot to ride!!
Everyone I let have a ride on it pulls off their helmet and normally come out with just one word "Awesome!!"

Yes mate, that's me. It was a sad day when I sold my Mille. I dont fanc the SMT that much TBH. The cracking style and purpose of the SM is diluted a bit, but indeed it is a good compromise. I think I'm after venturing back into the dual sport mile muncher category but avoiding a GS at all costs.

Good write up Rich. Totally agree that at £13.5k its way too much, but at £9.3k it gets an awful lot more interesting. Yamaha priced it way too high and will suffer as a result, but thats good news for people like me as the prices will drop.

The question is whether I can wait for the Triumph 1200 as a big version of the 800 engine really would be something to behold.

 

[BBB61]

I reckon the Yamaha will be as much fun to ride as the GS but without costing £300 - £400 per service, and no need to pay £350 per year for extended warranty, 8k between services, better reliability and much cheaper service costs make it a no brainer for me.

6k service interval on the Yamaha, not 8k.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

6k service interval on the Yamaha, not 8k.

He really does talk bollox

 

[cookie]

i have never paid £400 for a service. not at all sure i've ever paid £300.

i think i paid £275ish for the big 24,000 miler earlier this year, and CW are not known for being cheap.

 

[Stonker]

Andy, didn't you have a GS before? What went wrong (dare I ask?)

 

[RichieS]

Andy, didn't you have a GS before? What went wrong (dare I ask?)

Dont get him started!!!!

Tobers, you get the Rice Burner and i'll let you borrow the Brit Steel when i get one!!!

 

[Tobers]

Andy, didn't you have a GS before? What went wrong (dare I ask?)

Everything!

 

[BBB61]

He really does talk bollox

He certainly does

 

[bogman]

Take an 800XC for a test ride, very different to the 800 that you rode, you may be pleasantly surprised, I know I was, ended up trading in two BMW's for one

 

[doyle]

Yes mate, that's me. It was a sad day when I sold my Mille. I dont fanc the SMT that much TBH. The cracking style and purpose of the SM is diluted a bit, but indeed it is a good compromise. I think I'm after venturing back into the dual sport mile muncher category but avoiding a GS at all costs.

Good write up Rich. Totally agree that at £13.5k its way too much, but at £9.3k it gets an awful lot more interesting. Yamaha priced it way too high and will suffer as a result, but thats good news for people like me as the prices will drop.

The question is whether I can wait for the Triumph 1200 as a big version of the 800 engine really would be something to behold.

Have you tried a ktm adv? Maybe not to everyone's taste but i had a 950adv and loved it.I think when i change my 950sm i will go to a 990adv. A bit of weather protection,roomier? but still with a hooligan engine.
I know a lot of people prefer the 950 engine over the 990,but it wouldn't bother me.
But i am KTM biased

 

[C-J]

You''ve all picked the wrong twin... you need the bigger KTM

 

[Tobers]

I did think about slotting an RC8 into the SM. That would be amusing.

I have owned a 950 Adv S which was a hoot, but the brakes were crap.

 

[Stonker]

Everything!

Oh dear.....I remember preaching about my probs with BWM on here a few years ago and everybody chastised me as if 'nothing ever goes wrong with them, must be you sir'.....looking around now, it looks like I was only one of the first to suffer

I've been looking for a GS equivelant ever since. I'm seriously considering the Stelvio now but want to see what the new trumpet is like

 

[RichieS]

Have you tried a ktm adv? Maybe not to everyone's taste but i had a 950adv and loved it.I think when i change my 950sm i will go to a 990adv. A bit of weather protection,roomier? but still with a hooligan engine.
I know a lot of people prefer the 950 engine over the 990,but it wouldn't bother me.
But i am KTM biased

He had one of those before the 950SM.

 

[Diamaduk]

Don't overlook the Ducati Multistrada, pricey option new but there are quite a few turning up on autotrader and ebay now. Traded my 990 adventure in for one of these in June, Very Comfortable seat, great riding position and goes like shit off a shiny shovel. I have put 4.5k miles on mine and it has never missed a beat.

 

[Stonker]

Don't overlook the Ducati Multistrada, pricey option new but there are quite a few turning up on autotrader and ebay now. Traded my 990 adventure in for one of these in June, Very Comfortable seat, great riding position and goes like shit off a shiny shovel. I have put 4.5k miles on mine and it has never missed a beat.

I've demo'd a couple. A great bike to ride indeed. Personally I don't like chains though. The new SMT with ABS is also a great bike

 

[Rasher]

So Rasher, please do your homework & research, before making sweeping and generally absurd generalisations otherwise it comes actross that you're talking incorrect bollox

I did price it up the Yamahe comes out much cheaper on a per mile basis, but if you do exactly 6k a year to get the "perfect" costs on a BMW (i.e. not having mileage and yearly services needing doing at different times) then the costs are closer.

The big difference is in long term ownership, I reckon the Yamaha will do 50k with little chance of any major problems.

My mate runs a TDM and Thundercat both with well over 50k on them and they have never given problems.

It is highly unlikely a GS will make 50k without an FD failure, and most likely an FPC as well and then the clutches are fragile, gearboxes prone to problems and add in the outside chance of a Valve dropping and wrecking the entire engine.

The GS is just a lottery - so you need £350 a year for warranty, plus an average of £300 a pop for servicing which equals £650 per year, whereas the Yamaha requires services of around £200 - £250 every 8k until the shims need doing (every 32k) and few owners will do more than 8k per year, so in the real world for me it is the difference of £650 vs £250 per year.

I am sure some owners happily risk riding a GS without extended warranty, but even then the cost of a 6k + annual service every year is still a fair bit higher than the Yamaha costs and pretty much every part will be cheaper on the Yamaha if anything does go wrong, and if you are not servicing it yourself the Yamaha labour rates will also be far lower for all other work, typically £60 - £70 per hour compared to £90 - £100 for the BMW.

 

[BBB61]

I did price it up the Yamahe comes out much cheaper on a per mile basis, but if you do exactly 6k a year to get the "perfect" costs on a BMW (i.e. not having mileage and yearly services needing doing at different times) then the costs are closer.

The big difference is in long term ownership, I reckon the Yamaha will do 50k with little chance of any major problems.

My mate runs a TDM and Thundercat both with well over 50k on them and they have never given problems.

It is highly unlikely a GS will make 50k without an FD failure, and most likely an FPC as well and then the clutches are fragile, gearboxes prone to problems and add in the outside chance of a Valve dropping and wrecking the entire engine.

The GS is just a lottery - so you need £350 a year for warranty, plus an average of £300 a pop for servicing which equals £650 per year, whereas the Yamaha requires services of around £200 - £250 every 8k until the shims need doing (every 32k) and few owners will do more than 8k per year, so in the real world for me it is the difference of £650 vs £250 per year.

I am sure some owners happily risk riding a GS without extended warranty, but even then the cost of a 6k + annual service every year is still a fair bit higher than the Yamaha costs and pretty much every part will be cheaper on the Yamaha if anything does go wrong, and if you are not servicing it yourself the Yamaha labour rates will also be far lower for all other work, typically £60 - £70 per hour compared to £90 - £100 for the BMW.

Do you actually think before you type your usual shite? Where is your evidence that clutches are weak, that gearboxes are prone to problems and also for the need for a warranty to keep the bike running? Speaking from my own experience of my GS, in the four years since the warranty expired, the only things it has needed, apart from the usual consumables, is two batteries. One replaced when the bike was three years old and one at six years old. That's it!

You have had the service procedure explained to you time after time ad nauseum but you still show a remarkable inability to grasp how it works. Your own servicing cost claims have been debunked time after time yet you still spout your claptrap.

The best thing you could do is sell the GS and buy the SuperTen if you lack the confidence in your own GS (which has not exhibited any of the problems which you claim are just around the corner).

Oh, the Yam service interval is 6k according to my local Yamaha dealer. But let's not let someone who knows the product get in the way of your claptrap.

 

[Zoton]

TIP-Super te


The annual checks must be performed every year, except if a kilometer-based maintenance, or for the UK, a
mileage-based maintenance, is performed instead.

From 50000 km (30000 mi), repeat the maintenance intervals starting from 10000 km (6000 mi).

Items marked with an asterisk should be performed by a Yamaha dealer as they require special tools, data and technical
skills.
EAU46910
Periodic maintenance chart for the emission control system
NO. ITEM CHECK OR MAINTENANCE JOB
ODOMETER READING
ANNUAL
1000 km CHECK
(600 mi)
10000 km
(6000 mi)
20000 km
(12000 mi)
30000 km
(18000 mi)
40000 km
(24000 mi)