TT Panniers on GSA

[vireo]

Having bought TT rails some time ago I recently picked up a pair of metal TT boxes to complete the kit. These look like Zegas, but, TBH, are not marked such and I'm not fully up to speed with box styles. Theya re the asymettric 35/41 L variety, and were previously fitted to another tossers 1150GS on appropriate rails.

Anyhow, they wont fit ! Or to be more accurate, don't fit. The problem is not the rails (these were new and definitely for a 1150GSA) or the boxes, as far as I can see, but moreso the relative position of the rear foot rest hangers. They are about an inch too long to allow the boxes to fit into the rails.

Now the boxes already have the fitting kit/pucks installed, so.......
is my problem the footrest hangers. ie: are there shortened ones that I'll now have to source ???
or
is the problem the positioning of the pucks in the boxes, meaning that I'll have to re-drill all 8 ??

Should there be a difference between the fitting of these boxes to TT rails on a GS compared to a GSA?

Anyone out there been down this road ?



THanks

Vireo

 

[trotsky]

I had a set of TT Zegas on my GSA and, although I fitted the pucks myself, I had no problems with the rear hangers. There wasn't a lot of leeway to fit them other than where the template suggested if they were going to be usable and while I could have drilled them to foul the footrests it would have made the puck positions a bit odd.

TT Zegas as new have a sticker saying what they are on the outside and there is a raised "Touratech" on the back. Comme ca:

Possibilities - they aren't Zegas but someone else's boxes with Touratech fittings but my guess would be that they are fitted for another bike.

Oh yeah, it isn't eight holes if you refit. Each puck takes four fixings plus a central whole for the locking bar on two on each side. The boxes will look like swiss cheese if you move them very far, and will weaken the mounting points if you don't. Sorry.

 

[vireo]

TT Zegas ..........there is a raised "Touratech" on the back. Comme ca:


Oh yeah, it isn't eight holes if you refit. Each puck takes four fixings plus a central whole for the locking bar on two on each side. The boxes will look like swiss cheese if you move them very far, and will weaken the mounting points if you don't. Sorry.

OK, thanks comrade - thats a bit of clarity. They do have the raised Touratech name on the end plate (but no sticker).

Bad news about the number of holes I'll have to drill if it is the positioning of the pucks thats the problem - but surely this isn't an 'unusual' situation???

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[trotsky]

I have to say that if they came off an 1150 GS then they should sit straight onto the GSA (missed that bit on first read through...).

Since the frame connects to the rear footrest there obv. ain't any play in that so the positioning of the pucks must be the problem.

I'm at a loss as to how they are causing a problem. No difference between that bit of the GS and GSA. The rear footrest mounts haven't been "upgraded" have they?

Okay, it's a cheeky thought, but you have got them on the right sides don't you? 35 litre on the exhaust side...

 

[MikeP]

I'm at a loss as to how they are causing a problem. No difference between that bit of the GS and GSA. The rear footrest mounts haven't been "upgraded" have they?

Unless you buy Zegas with the puck pre-mounted, there's a lot of leeway for an owner to mount them where they like.

IIRC, the only Zegas that always came with the mounting pucks fitted were the Sonderset.

It sounds as though someone fitted the pucks so that the panniers sit further forward than usual. Possibly the person who fitted them had removed the rear footrests? It's also possible that the Zegas were originally used on another type of bike altogether (the non-Sonderset Zega-frame hoop is the same for all bikes, it's the mounting that varies).

One solution might be to cut off the part of the footrest back plate that projects to the rear. It's only there to mount the plastic BMW panniers.

 

[Bryn]

You're not putting them on the wrong way round are you?

Serious question

 

[vireo]

You're not putting them on the wrong way round are you?

Serious question

you have got them on the right sides don't you? 35 litre on the exhaust side...

No, I dont think so.................they open from the bottom, dont they.....?not so serious answer

MikeP would seem to be on the money. It seems that the solution is to "cut off the part of the footrest back plate that projects to the rear. It's only there to mount the plastic BMW panniers" - its only about a 2cm overlap, but this fouls the placement of the Zega cases.Take a look here for a fellow tossers similar issue, albeit on an 1100

That said, the cases were last used on a 1200GS, not a 1150GS as I initially suggested, so even though the pucks are perfectly centred in the boxes, there may be a little more to this than I thought.

Keep the advice coming

I'm in the process of tracking down some spare footrests to modify.....

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[Colban]

A picture at last....excuse sellotape over the bolts.

 

[csd4t]

They are GS footrests which you have to fit to a GSA if you fit system panniers. Original GSA footrests are completely different

 

[vireo]

Original GSA footrests are completely different

Eh...?

No they're not - or at least, its a point of discussion. IN many cases, GSA rear footrests are same as GS. The 'default' supply was a footrest with the rear extension in order to fit 1150 system panniers..........which in turn are the same item for GS or GSA.

Aluminium panniers on the GSA required different rear footrests, but many GSA's (such as mine !) were sold with just the system panniers, hence the issue I face.
Thanks though

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[csd4t]

Aluminium panniers on the GSA required different rear footrests, but many GSA's (such as mine !) were sold with just the system panniers, hence the issue I face.


Is that not what your trying to do? Because it's exactly what I had to do in order to fit TT panniers to my GSA that came with system cases. Therefore same bike same boxes same frame but........ DIFFERENT FOOTRESTS (GSA ones)
Simples

 

[trotsky]

That said, the cases were last used on a 1200GS, not a 1150GS as I initially suggested, so even though the pucks are perfectly centred in the boxes, there may be a little more to this than I thought.

Aha. There's t'problem - the pucks on boxes for 1150GS are slightly up and front of centre if you follow the supplied template. The picture from TT above shows how much space there is left at the back.

 

[vireo]

Trotsky,

That makes sense, but/and as the pucks are already 'in-situ' the best solution for me at this stage is to modify the rear footpegs, which I will now do.

What I'm still uncertain about is whether (as csd4t suggests above) there is a BMW OEM rear footrest for use with the (BMW Adventure) panniers? The parts fiche I have access to suggests not...... So guys have had to modify the 'standard' 'pegs.??

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[MikeP]

There is a smaller rear footrest pair that has to be fitted if mounting the OE Adventure panniers.

 

[vireo]

OK, so I tracked them down. It's part # 71607668666..............at a new cost of $150 dollars or equivalent - each side, I presume!

Pic

It'll be cut-down standard footrests for me.....

Thanks all

 

[trotsky]

Might be worth a call to James Sherlock or Motorworks to see if they have any second hand hanging around, although I don't think many people bought the full rig 1150GSA so they might be a bit rare. Check the price for new ones from Motorworks too - just quote the BMW part number.

 

[csd4t]

Got mine via a well known auction site (other auction sites are available) £25

 

[Michael R1150GS Adventure]

my touratech Zega cases fit really snug near the pillion pegs. About 3mm snug!

I found the TT template useless really. I wanted to fix the boxes a little more horizontal than i ended up with, but any flatter woudl have meant removing the rear pegs (just like Mssrs McGrog and Charly Brat had to do).

A set of ratchet straps, tape and a marker pen saw me get the boxes mounted first time amazingly.

TT boxes have the name embossed in to the end panel of the box and a nice and tidy silicone seal inset into the lid 'V' interface.

They dont half save your bike when you fall off too.

 

[Michael R1150GS Adventure]

Have you though about getting soem of the TT reinforcing plates and just move the pucks? I am going to do this when i move my pucks, will help keep some strength by spreading the stress to the unperforated alu.

 

[vireo]

Have you though about getting soem of the TT reinforcing plates and just move the pucks? I am going to do this when i move my pucks, will help keep some strength by spreading the stress to the unperforated alu.

Thanks Michael

I've settled on getting a set of modified 'rests and leaving the pucks as they are 'in-situ'. Right now, they are perfectly centred and although I'm not yet sure at what angle the panniers will lie when I get them mounted, I suspect that they will be acceptable (if not, I've a whole different issue!)



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