Two weeks of ownership and I'm really not sure I made the right decision

When I lived in Kent, I had so many issues with them in previous names I gave up and went to Reiten in Suffolk.
I have to say the other BMW garage in Sunderland used to be same ownership and I don’t use them for same reasons.
It’s a shame that some bmw dealers are so shite but keep getting away with it
 
My experience of their customer service is same as yours. They are proper crap.
At least as a good will they offered me £350 voucher. I ordered some boots and they even got that wrong. I now have 2 pairs and they are not getting the wrong ones back.
 
Crap dealer does not equal crap bike.

I live in your part of the world. Arden’s reputation for crapness goes before them but try to separate your frustration about them from your views about the bike…
 
I haven't even mentioned the cock up re me ordering a top box inner bag on 1st July. I checked today to make sure they have it and they had no record of me ordering it.

And I quite agree re crap service does not equal crap bike. The bike is very good indeed, it's just that my dealer experience has soured things somewhat.
 
You couldn't make this stuff up.
Phoned Ardens again today (3 times because the operator couldn't find anyone to answer my calls and nobody phoned me back as was promised)) and eventually gave up trying to get sense out of anyone and asked for the name & contact details of the CEO.
I was then put through to the Customer Service Manager who listened to me and then promised to phone me back within the hour. I did indeed get a return call this time, from the Parts Manager, who again listened to me, then told me that they always have seat lock barrels in stock and it only takes half an hour to change them, and I could book the bike in straight away and they would sort it. I'm away on another trip tomorrow morning, so booked it in for 2nd August.
It's taken from 23rd June to 19th July for them to tell me something that could have been sorted out when I visited the garage on 1st July. It's taken 4 emails, 7 phone calls and 1 personal visit to get this far.

the more i read about BMW dealers ......makes Guzzi dealers look good ......you should all be worried , i always thought BMW dealers were the best , they seem to be an occasional shower of shit !
 
You couldn't make this stuff up.
Phoned Ardens again today (3 times because the operator couldn't find anyone to answer my calls and nobody phoned me back as was promised)) and eventually gave up trying to get sense out of anyone and asked for the name & contact details of the CEO.
I was then put through to the Customer Service Manager who listened to me and then promised to phone me back within the hour. I did indeed get a return call this time, from the Parts Manager, who again listened to me, then told me that they always have seat lock barrels in stock and it only takes half an hour to change them, and I could book the bike in straight away and they would sort it. I'm away on another trip tomorrow morning, so booked it in for 2nd August.
It's taken from 23rd June to 19th July for them to tell me something that could have been sorted out when I visited the garage on 1st July. It's taken 4 emails, 7 phone calls and 1 personal visit to get this far.
That is shocking - I'm of the opinion that main dealers of big brands don't need to try overly hard as they get more than enough custom through the door via the brand and it's just a numbers game, bikes will no doubt get serviced with them if under warranty, bikes will be bought from them as they are the main dealer e.t.c. e.t.c. - at least with an independent they live & die on their reputation within the area, the main dealer only has to keep their corporate affiliation

I bought my approved used Rallye GSA through main dealer, when it was delivered was missing the Akrapovic exhaust the build sheet said it left the factory with and the sales guy just shrugged and quoted me the price for a new one - I'd bought it off a stock list after the one I saw was sold by the time I'd got a deposit together, was not impressed

It was a "do you want the bike or not" response - won't be going back there for another

On the timeline this is useful in the future, I've successfully rejected 2 bikes and 1 car through main dealers after various issues (2 for excess corrosion, one for unable to fix fault) used the Ombudsman twice when dealer refused to accept rejection, who were excellent, consumer rights are extremely powerful as stated (and in addition to any warranty) and if you did buy with credit the financial services ombudsman deals on the basis of what is reasonable, which is IMO more favourable than court action

anyhoo - the rule of thumb as stated is:

Fault within 30 days - you don't have to prove whether it was faulty or not at time of sale or give them a chance to repair it, can request rejection (again though, has to be reasonable)
Fault within 6 months - don't have to prove whether it was faulty at time of sale (dealer would need to prove it wasn't) but you do need to give them a reasonable chance to repair - they can offer replacement or partial refund
Fault after 6 months - you have to prove it was faulty at time of sale, dealer has to be given reasonable chance to repair it if they accept it was faulty, can offer replacement or partial refund

2 of my rejections were after 6 months of ownership (the corrosion issues on frame and on another bike the engine block) - I got an expert report written that stated corrosion was down to poor paint application on one bike, the other the finance company sent their own inspector out and was pretty obvious paint was flaking all over on the frame

1 rejection was accepted by the finance company (who are jointly liable under consumer credit legislation with the dealer) - they refunded me then took the dealer to court

each time the dealer gave it "warranty refused" and "it must be something you have done to cause it" or, with my KTM, after the KTM UK folks just flat out refused the dealer warranty request they conspired with the finance company to blame me for the issue (got all the emails via freedom of information request) which was quite hilarious

sorry, long reply! - anyway - in summary, you are being more than reasonable - I would write an email to their complaints address along the lines of:

-----
To whom it may concern,

I bought a bike from you on xx date - I notified you on yy date, within x number of days, that their was a fault with the bike and requested that you repair the fault.

I believe by giving you an opportunity to repair the bike rather than rejecting it as faulty at time of sale, as is my right under the Consumer Rights Act 2015, I am being more than reasonable, however, the delays and wasted visits without a repair being made is now unacceptable.

I detail below the time, date & duration of our interaction to date as evidence that I have given a reasonable time and opportunity for you to put this right.

This letter is formal notice that if the bike is not repaired by xx date then I will be enacting my right of rejection of the vehicle and expect to be put back into the position I was before I purchased it,

------

Then see what happens!
 
Hi owl , bit of a coincidence because yesterday I emailed my dealer asking if I should have had any paperwork relating to the used aproved warranty as the only thing I had was a use booklet explaining what's covered & what's not which I new any .
I'm guessing that if I breakdown all my details are on the mothership system & all I need is my registration number .
Hopefully I get a response back today.
Ian.
Approved used warranty costs the dealer a £500 fee to BMW UK per bike, when I last had dealing with Coopers at Sunderland they FORGOT to pay the money and the Approved Used bike had no Approved Used Warranty, cost them over £7000 to replace the motor, a load of grief from BMW who made them do it and me the loss of the bike for the summer
If anyone has a bike and suspects this has happened ring any BMW dealer quoting the VIN and registration number , they can check in seconds if the bike is covered under the Approved Used Warranty Scheme.
I had confirmation from 2 other main dealers of no warranty and also from BMW UK and Coopers still lied to my face about there being a warranty, then claimed it was a trade sale despite my limited paperwork showing it Approved Used and screenshots of the bike advertised on their website and the BMW UK Approved used website
Tw@#s
 
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You couldn't make this stuff up.
Phoned Ardens again today (3 times because the operator couldn't find anyone to answer my calls and nobody phoned me back as was promised)) and eventually gave up trying to get sense out of anyone and asked for the name & contact details of the CEO.
I was then put through to the Customer Service Manager who listened to me and then promised to phone me back within the hour. I did indeed get a return call this time, from the Parts Manager, who again listened to me, then told me that they always have seat lock barrels in stock and it only takes half an hour to change them, and I could book the bike in straight away and they would sort it. I'm away on another trip tomorrow morning, so booked it in for 2nd August.
It's taken from 23rd June to 19th July for them to tell me something that could have been sorted out when I visited the garage on 1st July. It's taken 4 emails, 7 phone calls and 1 personal visit to get this far.
Getting hold of anyone who can make a decision is virtually impossible - I have a serious issue with them at present which started on the 5th May - when it is resolved the story will be told - in the meamtime I do not want to upset the applecart.
 
I've been away on the bike again for a few days, so am late in replying to the last few posts, which have provided excellent information - thank you.
I've put 3000 miles on it since I bought it in June. I would say I've made friends with it but not bonded yet. The experience with the dealer has been very disappointing, especially so as a lot of my friends with BM's have had very positive experiences with their dealers.
The bike is now booked in to have the seat lock replaced on 2nd August. If they do indeed fix it, this will be my last interaction with this dealer, as no way will I allow them to service it.
I'm probably anticipating problems now, but I do wonder whether they will expect me to pay for the repair. If so, that will be the next argument.
 
The saga with Arden continues, hopefully it will be resolved in the next two weeks - once we have got to that point the whole story can be told.
 
Good luck and I look forward to hearing your story.

`I had to threaten to lay my entire story to the CEO before any action was taken, but to be fair to them, once the bike was actually booked in, they gave good service by drilling out the old lock, fitting a new one, valeting the bike, and all inside an hour.

Their biggest problem (with me) was in totally crap communication, both with me and between themselves. I'm glad it's all sorted now and hopefully I can get on and enjoy the bike.
 
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What was Coopers in T/Wells, now Arden BMW has not filled me with confidence since the change.

When my service is due I’ll ride past Arden to go somewhere further away
I know at least half a dozen people who have gone to Sycamore in Witham, Essex. It all went downhill when the changeover from Coopers to Arden happened. I always try to look at how I've been dealt with over the years in the round but voted with my wheels in the end.
 
I use Sycamore at Witham. Been there twice for services and once for the headlight recoding and software update on the bike.
Just had the 12k service. £660 with a new Michelin Rd 6 on the rear.

They have satisfied me and I haven't left there feeling less than that.
James on the service desk is really good. Explains everything they have done in good detail.
I'd recommend them.
 
It all comes down to people. We’ve all experienced the great and the utterly useless. Why some people get a customer facing job, I’ll never know. The damage they do is extraordinary.
 
That is shocking - I'm of the opinion that main dealers of big brands don't need to try overly hard as they get more than enough custom through the door via the brand and it's just a numbers game, bikes will no doubt get serviced with them if under warranty, bikes will be bought from them as they are the main dealer e.t.c. e.t.c. - at least with an independent they live & die on their reputation within the area, the main dealer only has to keep their corporate affiliation

I bought my approved used Rallye GSA through main dealer, when it was delivered was missing the Akrapovic exhaust the build sheet said it left the factory with and the sales guy just shrugged and quoted me the price for a new one - I'd bought it off a stock list after the one I saw was sold by the time I'd got a deposit together, was not impressed

It was a "do you want the bike or not" response - won't be going back there for another

On the timeline this is useful in the future, I've successfully rejected 2 bikes and 1 car through main dealers after various issues (2 for excess corrosion, one for unable to fix fault) used the Ombudsman twice when dealer refused to accept rejection, who were excellent, consumer rights are extremely powerful as stated (and in addition to any warranty) and if you did buy with credit the financial services ombudsman deals on the basis of what is reasonable, which is IMO more favourable than court action

anyhoo - the rule of thumb as stated is:

Fault within 30 days - you don't have to prove whether it was faulty or not at time of sale or give them a chance to repair it, can request rejection (again though, has to be reasonable)
Fault within 6 months - don't have to prove whether it was faulty at time of sale (dealer would need to prove it wasn't) but you do need to give them a reasonable chance to repair - they can offer replacement or partial refund
Fault after 6 months - you have to prove it was faulty at time of sale, dealer has to be given reasonable chance to repair it if they accept it was faulty, can offer replacement or partial refund

2 of my rejections were after 6 months of ownership (the corrosion issues on frame and on another bike the engine block) - I got an expert report written that stated corrosion was down to poor paint application on one bike, the other the finance company sent their own inspector out and was pretty obvious paint was flaking all over on the frame

1 rejection was accepted by the finance company (who are jointly liable under consumer credit legislation with the dealer) - they refunded me then took the dealer to court

each time the dealer gave it "warranty refused" and "it must be something you have done to cause it" or, with my KTM, after the KTM UK folks just flat out refused the dealer warranty request they conspired with the finance company to blame me for the issue (got all the emails via freedom of information request) which was quite hilarious

sorry, long reply! - anyway - in summary, you are being more than reasonable - I would write an email to their complaints address along the lines of:

-----
To whom it may concern,

I bought a bike from you on xx date - I notified you on yy date, within x number of days, that their was a fault with the bike and requested that you repair the fault.

I believe by giving you an opportunity to repair the bike rather than rejecting it as faulty at time of sale, as is my right under the Consumer Rights Act 2015, I am being more than reasonable, however, the delays and wasted visits without a repair being made is now unacceptable.

I detail below the time, date & duration of our interaction to date as evidence that I have given a reasonable time and opportunity for you to put this right.

This letter is formal notice that if the bike is not repaired by xx date then I will be enacting my right of rejection of the vehicle and expect to be put back into the position I was before I purchased it,

------

Then see what happens!
Excellent advice
 
Just for info. I spoke to the owner of Reiten Motorrad a couple of weeks ago at a Car Show. He's saying bookings for a service booked up to November now. 🤔
 
Just for info. I spoke to the owner of Reiten Motorrad a couple of weeks ago at a Car Show. He's saying bookings for a service booked up to November now. 🤔
I had mine serviced up there a couple of weeks ago (booked it in in March!) - since Lind in Norwich shut they're doing most of East Anglia's servicing
 
Looks like the situation with my bike will be resolved soon - issue started back on the 5th May with an unintended 'sudden stop' - Arden exacerbated what should have been a straightforward process but Sycamore have now taken over so looking good again :)
 
Finally got my bike back today, good as new, many thanks to the great team at Sycamore in Peterborough :) - more than 5 months after the utter incompetence of Arden BMW in Tonbridge Wells.

Both Hastings and 4th Dimension are to be commended too.
 


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