Ultraseal

[thauma]

Quick question . What if your ultrasealed tyre still deflates - can you then use a plug No guesses or friend of a friend stories please, only real actual accounts

I asked that question of the tech guys at ultraseal. They indicated that Ultraseal wouldn't fix everything, and does have its limits. However they did say that you could still use the BMW repair kit to get you home if Ultraseal didn't fix the puncture. They also indicated that if you remove the tyre carefully, wipe down the inner surface, patch (as any tyre fitter would). You should then be able to fit the tyre back with the remaining ultraseal still in the tyre carcass.

I'm dubious myself, but I use it anyway as it seems to reduce the wear on the tyres............ Having had 2 punctures without ultraseal, and none with I can't vouch for its effectiveness

 

[Zundapp]

Quick question . What if your ultrasealed tyre still deflates - can you then use a plug No guesses or friend of a friend stories please, only real actual accounts .

Yes you can. But only if you really want to, and why would you if your tyre stays up...

When I had a new back tyre fitted, the fitter asked if I knew I had four punctures. I didn't know, cos the sealer had kept the tyre inlated.

I'd originally put the stuff in as my wife and I had come off at 75mph when the rear tyre deflated instantly due to a puncture. If nowt else, it gives me peace of mind.

And how much is that worth?

 

[Steptoe]

, and why would you if your tyre stays up...

I'd originally put the stuff in as my wife and I had come off at 75mph when the rear tyre deflated instantly due to a puncture. If nowt else, it gives me peace of mind.

And how much is that worth?

I asked the question "what if the tyre deflates", not stays up

I've had a high speed blow out. Made not a bit of difference to the bike, and it was fully loaded. Came to a normal halt ( on a spanish motorway), then rode on a few miles to a petrol station because it would be easier for me to fix.
You can ride quite comfortably with a flat without the tyre coming off the rim as long as you don't do any sharp turns Try it sometime, you'll lose all your nervousness about getting a puncture

 

[gbmud]

Not sure about bike tyres, but when SWMBO drove on a flat car tyre it wrecked the inside where the sidewall deformed and rubbed. The tyre was full of little 'bobbles' of rubber wasted from the inside. I felt that replacement was the best course of action after that, assuming that it made the tyre unsafe.

Chris

 

[Stewart H]

Stop press, I got in from a 150 miler after the ultraseal puncture, for the last twenty miles the back end felt soggy, too dark now so I will report tomorrow.
Stewart

 

[Zundapp]

You can ride quite comfortably with a flat without the tyre coming off the rim as long as you don't do any sharp turns Try it sometime, you'll lose all your nervousness about getting a puncture

When we came off at 75mph it was on a gentle left hand curve on a motorway, not loaded but two up. The rear tyre suffered an instant deflation and the bead came away from the rim.

We didn't do 'any sharp turns'. So I did indeed 'try it sometime' and it wasn't 'nervousness about getting a puncture' I nearly lost. In fact our lives were probably saved by a biker in a car we'd just passed blocking two lanes of the motorway and preventing following traffic from running over us when we were 'losing our nervousness' while lying across two lanes on the roadway.

So there may be circumstances where you can ride 'quite comfortably' with a puncture, but that was not one of them.

And the puncture? A large nail in the tread area which the local bike shop was happy to repair after examining the tyre.

So after that, I've had Ultraseal or similar stuff in all my bike tyres and (so far) haven't been troubled by a puncture. Others may prefer not to have the stuff, but to carry puncture kits, but in my experience, fixing a flat at motorway speeds isn't a cracking plan.

 

[Comfy Old Boots]

I want to test my puncture kit. how much are the cheapest refill cartridges anyway? now that I've randomly brought us on to the subject? sorry for hijack

 

[Stewart H]

I want to test my puncture kit. how much are the cheapest refill cartridges anyway? now that I've randomly brought us on to the subject? sorry for hijack

Try a cheapo compressor from wilko, it takes a lot of those cartridges
Stewart

 

[Steptoe]

So I did indeed 'try it sometime' and it wasn't 'nervousness about getting a puncture' I nearly lost. In fact our lives were probably saved by a biker in a car we'd just passed blocking two lanes of the motorway and preventing following traffic from running over us when we were 'losing our nervousness' while lying across two lanes on the roadway.

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You keep misreading/misinterpreting my posts, thats two now. Has your tumble brought about dyslexia.

 

[CHANGELING]

I've got it in the set of tyres I put on last year, mainly because here in Hungary no local tyre repairer would ever get my custom because at best they will bodge a tyre but not repair it to my exacting standards.
The other reason I thought I'd give it a go was because of the number of nails and tacks I seem to pick up from riding the dirt tracks over here. It is almost institutional to take your old furniture out into the country on one of these tracks and dump it. The next car of lads comes along and demolishes it, then later I seem to come along and collect the tacks from Grannys old wardrobe.
So most of my punctures have been low speed, small diameter holes which are perfect for Ultraseal. Just add pliers.
Expensive though compared to other methods but excellent protection against annoying minor flats in this situation.

 

[Packer]

Quick question . What if your ultrasealed tyre still deflates - can you then use a plug No guesses or friend of a friend stories please, only real actual accounts .
Does using ultraseal cut your options of fixing your tyre while on the road, i'm not talking about being in this country, where you can actually ride to a tyre/repair shop even with a flat tyre .

I picked up a nail about 1.5cm from the edge of the tread in my rear Tourance. No sealant in the tyre and in a hurry for an appointment. It wasn't a sudden deflation but fairly rapid softening so I swung past a bike shop and got some Slime, they didn't stock Ultraseal. Next stop garage forecourt. Insert slime, remove nail and hear hissing sound but no bubbles or slime appearing. The hole was too far around the curvature of the tread and above the level of the liquid Slime. Lean bike over with puncture at floor level, hear bubbling sound, stand up bike. Green goo appearing through hole. Adjust tyre pressure and ride to appointment.

To cut a long story short(ish) the tyre kept deflating as the Slime simply didn't reach the hole for most of the time. After getting fed up with re-inflating the tyre I decided to use the 5 year old BMW repair kit hitherto untouched. No experience but bit the bullet and actually read the instructions first. Tyre fixed properly and still fine around 2,000 miles later. Pretty well worn out now so time to replace.

I've no comparative knowledge of Ultraseal v's Slime but from the above experience Slime is useless if the puncture is close to the edge of the tread on a motorcycle tyre and I wouldn't expect the competitive products to fair much better but to answer Steptoe's question, yes you can!

 

[Zundapp]

You keep misreading/misinterpreting my posts, thats two now. Has your tumble brought about dyslexia.

Take a close look at the first three words of my original reply to your question.

For further elaboration, the stuff is water soluble. If you want to clear it out of a tyre - you only need to hose it out.

If you prefer to have a vulcanised repair, then the Ultraseal can be kept in the tyre during careful removal, and the area where the puncture is located should be wiped with a paper towel prior to repair.

Sorry to have bored/misread/misinterpreted you.

 

[Decster]

I picked up a nail about 1.5cm from the edge of the tread in my rear Tourance. No sealant in the tyre and in a hurry for an appointment. It wasn't a sudden deflation but fairly rapid softening so I swung past a bike shop and got some Slime, they didn't stock Ultraseal. Next stop garage forecourt. Insert slime, remove nail and hear hissing sound but no bubbles or slime appearing. The hole was too far around the curvature of the tread and above the level of the liquid Slime. Lean bike over with puncture at floor level, hear bubbling sound, stand up bike. Green goo appearing through hole. Adjust tyre pressure and ride to appointment.

To cut a long story short(ish) the tyre kept deflating as the Slime simply didn't reach the hole for most of the time. After getting fed up with re-inflating the tyre I decided to use the 5 year old BMW repair kit hitherto untouched. No experience but bit the bullet and actually read the instructions first. Tyre fixed properly and still fine around 2,000 miles later. Pretty well worn out now so time to replace.

I've no comparative knowledge of Ultraseal v's Slime but from the above experience Slime is useless if the puncture is close to the edge of the tread on a motorcycle tyre and I wouldn't expect the competitive products to fair much better but to answer Steptoe's question, yes you can!

i use it as an extra security, it is not 100% anti-puncture proof, nothing in the world of tyres is, but for £30 odd quid it is an extra added protection that will work in certain situations and it appears to lenghten the tyres life span which is good IMO and i have experience of a punctured, new rear tyre, repaired it then ultrasealed it and got 11,000+ out of it.

you pays yer money.

For some people it is perceived as a false magic elixir...

 

[Steptoe]

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For further elaboration, the stuff is water soluble. If you want to clear it out of a tyre - you only need to hose it out.

But you are hardly likely to be able to do this at the side of the road when our ultraseal doesn't work.

Thats what i meant about being able then use a plug to cure the puncture -when on the road, not in a workshop with all the tools to hand or in a a tyre depot. Out on the road, as in real life riding without depending on the AA/RAC/BMW assist. Just you, your bike and the elements. Not depending on someone else to get you out of the shite ( whatton and his mini compressor doesn't count)

 

[Stewart H]

Update, The tyre still had 20 PSI left in it, mileage since the puncture is around 200, initially the ultraseal quickly sealed the tyre, yesterdays run was brisk and heavily loaded, I looked at the puncure after 70 miles and all appeared well, upon the return journey the rear end felt soggy, this mornings investigation revealed a blob of ultraseal and evidence of ultraseal being flung around the underside of the mudguards, I re-inflated the tyre and the leak has stopped, I would have thought that this puncture would have been an ideal candidate for ultraseal, just a carpet tack, and not even all of the way in.
theres not a lot left on the tyre so I will keep an eye on it for the time being as deflation was slow and gave plenty of warning.
Stewart

 

[Zundapp]

My original first three words - yes you can! I only gave the workshop version in case that was going to be the next query...

Not a second hand version, I was with my brother when walking back to his parked bike, he noticed a nail in his Slimed rear tyre. It hadn't deflated, but he decided to use the BM plug in addition.

He did so, the tyre hasn't gone down, so yes you can.

 

[D6]

how does putting ultra seal inside a tyre give it more mileage?

 

[Zundapp]

It's supposed to make the tyre run cooler, but that's probably wishful thinking.

However, putting larger quantities into small trailer wheels is alleged to have that effect, and I suppose it might...

 

[motobiker]

what a genius idea.

You add this stuff and as a side effect it increases the life of the tyre. by lowering the operating temperature. at a stroke reducing grip by defeating the design parameters. Any tyre will be designed to get up to a certain temperature at which point it achieves maximum grip and then you ruin that by adding this stuff.

marvellous.

 

[Steptoe]

. It hadn't deflated, but he decided to use the BM plug in addition.

He did so, the tyre hasn't gone down, so yes you can.

But if the tyre hadn't deflated how can you tell that using the plug worked

And another thing - Have you lot nothing better to do in scotland, except go out and get punctures.