Ultraseal
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tyres are designed for general temp on the road or off road. What is the operating temp for a tyre in Morocco compared to say Scotland, i dont think ultraseal is a coolant but it does prolong tyres life...
snake oil to some, an option for others...no guns pointing at heads just another opinionated thread
motobiker
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bit academic mentioning Morocco as it doesn't seem to work there...
doesn't like the heat maybe??t'other dave
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If it makes the tyre run cooler to reduce wear? Then what about winter riding surly it would then be less grippy? Increases mileage my ar$e.
I hate the stuff but hats off to the inventors and marketing people.
I hate the stuff but hats off to the inventors and marketing people.
Does that mean you don't like the taste - or have you personally had a bad experience with it?
t'other dave
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I have been a tyre fitter for 18 years, car/motorcycle I have to clean the stuff up lots, also have taken it out of so many tyres that has ruined trips due it unbalancing tyres (waiting for "they must have put to much in"). Have seen valves that have blown at the base and ultraseal did now't because it lines the tyre, objects through the tread and out the sidewall "went bang and deflated quick ultraseal din't work". Taken many a tyre of with nails/screws in that people said "oh didn't know, never gone down?"
If somethings in the tyre or has been in the tyre you need to know if any damage has been done to the cords and the inner sidewall that will make the tyre go bang all of a sudden, just leaving it and saying "ha the goo came out a bit now its like new again" is a bit chancer like.
All that said some people love it thats just my opinion
bumpmuncher
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Quick question . What if your ultrasealed tyre still deflates - can you then use a plug
Does using ultraseal cut your options of fixing your tyre while on the road, i'm not talking about being in this country, where you can actually ride to a tyre/repair shop even with a flat tyre .
yes it can be fixed at the side of the road. My k100 got a puncture in the rear. it deflated over about 10 miles, i used the bm repair kit to fix it. the tyre has done about 5000 miles since. also my 100gs got a wheel balance weight through its rear and that was fixed with the bm kit. it got me the 30 miles home with plenty of pressure in but i replaced it because it wasnt 100% airtight (should have tried 2 bungs). the k has ultra seal and the gs has slime. what i dont like about it is the way it can make it feel like your wheels are well out of balance at high speed (especially before the tyres have warmed up and the gunge has spread evenly around the tyre). or have i read the question wrong as well
D6
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totally agree , all a bit chancer, no one seems to think its dodgy runnin with it sealing a hole, sorry ,not for me, i agree wi steptoe on this , in the majority of cases you can stop safely and fix it properly, how many big blowouts would it have stopped if they were seriouse enough to deflate instantly?not many methinks
sayin that, i think it isnt all bad. but i think its got a good marketing team too
Fanum
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too bloody right.....disgusting stuff. if we have a bike turn up for a trip on street tyres with ultraseal in them, we won't fit their knobblies ourselves.....it has to go to a tyre place to be done.
Webgrecian
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Pulled out the nail. small hiss, bubbles, stopped, rode on
Stewart
It does what it says on the tin. Unfortunately, the down-side is it destroys valves. I went to inflate my tyres in a garage, pumped air in and it wouldn't stop coming out. I now travel fully equipped with spare valves.
billynomates
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I cant say whether it works or not as I have'nt recieved a puncture yet,but having said that the thought of plugging a tyre on a hardshoulder of a motorway with myopic drivers going past at 80 or at night in the rain doesnt fill me with joy.
bikeless
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ultraseal
I’ve been looking at being the ultra seal (now called puncturesafe) distributor in my area and came across this thread.
some have commented on the ‘great marketing’ which although I have a business like interest in would have to disagree with, the content and explanation might be extensive but the delivery of the message is poor, Have you seen the website?. I don’t think the success of ultra seal has anything to do with hype marketing but with the in depth explanation that came from the problems they faced during development of the product and word of mouth from satisfied customers.
One of the main questions that always comes up is, how would you know if the tyre had been structurally damaged and the sealant covered it up and then caused a catastrophic failure .
The answer from puncture safe would be that it can not seal a dangerous puncture, like t’other dave stated “if any damage has been done to the cords and the inner sidewall that will make the tyre go bang all of a sudden” if damage has been caused then the sealant will bleed out giving a controlled deflation because Rubber recovery has not taken place and the cords have been damaged. If it seals then there isn’t a problem.
To add to this continental have released contiseal in the vw passat, a gel layer which is similar to puncturesafe in that ‘you don‘t know if you have a puncture‘.
I understand many think it’s snake oil and I agree a lot of sealants are. Since taking a business like interest in sealants I’ve tested a few out on my car tyres. One in particular which has a large motorcycle and commercial market in America called ride-on, the website is excellent, the testimonials extensive, everything seemed great untill I physically tested the product out, it only worked half the time. These sealants are forced by centrifugal force to the centre of the tread, covering only a small area, giving little protection, if they work at all.
Another problem is that because they don’t give full coverage, the edge of the tread will only be partially covered and if punctured will not give a secure seal and cause a slow leak. This then causes heat build up due to under inflation and could result in a blow out, causing more problems than it solved, if it solved ant to start with.
Puncturesafe on the other hand has the ability to cover the entire inner surface of the tyre. This I can vouch for, while testing it was the only product to seal punctures close to the edge of the tread. It was also the only product to consistently work on every puncture up to 5.6mm in diameter in the tread of the tyre.
Especially beneficial for commercial fleets but for bikers as well is its ability to seal all porosity, bead and rim leaks maintaining set point air pressure, which increases tyre life, fuel economy etc.
If you look at the btma(british tyre manufacturing association) website sure enough you will see reasons for not using sealants, I believe puncture safe (ultra seal) has been tarred with the same brush as these inferior snake oil products, that are produced in a food mixer. Take a look at the puncturesafe website and the machinery used to produce the sealant, it doesn't look like a food mixer.
Through my experience puncturesafe has the benefits you would look for in a sealant with none of the pitfalls. Because the 'industry' is generally against sealants i'm not convinced its a viable business option though.
I’ve been looking at being the ultra seal (now called puncturesafe) distributor in my area and came across this thread.
some have commented on the ‘great marketing’ which although I have a business like interest in would have to disagree with, the content and explanation might be extensive but the delivery of the message is poor, Have you seen the website?. I don’t think the success of ultra seal has anything to do with hype marketing but with the in depth explanation that came from the problems they faced during development of the product and word of mouth from satisfied customers.
One of the main questions that always comes up is, how would you know if the tyre had been structurally damaged and the sealant covered it up and then caused a catastrophic failure .
The answer from puncture safe would be that it can not seal a dangerous puncture, like t’other dave stated “if any damage has been done to the cords and the inner sidewall that will make the tyre go bang all of a sudden” if damage has been caused then the sealant will bleed out giving a controlled deflation because Rubber recovery has not taken place and the cords have been damaged. If it seals then there isn’t a problem.
To add to this continental have released contiseal in the vw passat, a gel layer which is similar to puncturesafe in that ‘you don‘t know if you have a puncture‘.
I understand many think it’s snake oil and I agree a lot of sealants are. Since taking a business like interest in sealants I’ve tested a few out on my car tyres. One in particular which has a large motorcycle and commercial market in America called ride-on, the website is excellent, the testimonials extensive, everything seemed great untill I physically tested the product out, it only worked half the time. These sealants are forced by centrifugal force to the centre of the tread, covering only a small area, giving little protection, if they work at all.
Another problem is that because they don’t give full coverage, the edge of the tread will only be partially covered and if punctured will not give a secure seal and cause a slow leak. This then causes heat build up due to under inflation and could result in a blow out, causing more problems than it solved, if it solved ant to start with.
Puncturesafe on the other hand has the ability to cover the entire inner surface of the tyre. This I can vouch for, while testing it was the only product to seal punctures close to the edge of the tread. It was also the only product to consistently work on every puncture up to 5.6mm in diameter in the tread of the tyre.
Especially beneficial for commercial fleets but for bikers as well is its ability to seal all porosity, bead and rim leaks maintaining set point air pressure, which increases tyre life, fuel economy etc.
If you look at the btma(british tyre manufacturing association) website sure enough you will see reasons for not using sealants, I believe puncture safe (ultra seal) has been tarred with the same brush as these inferior snake oil products, that are produced in a food mixer. Take a look at the puncturesafe website and the machinery used to produce the sealant, it doesn't look like a food mixer.
Through my experience puncturesafe has the benefits you would look for in a sealant with none of the pitfalls. Because the 'industry' is generally against sealants i'm not convinced its a viable business option though.
BrianR
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I have NEVER had a puncture........ ever...... honest.....feel like I’m missing out now.
Off on a bit of a trip but are relying on a puncture repair kit and a shed load of them small gas bottles. did some tests on a old rim and tyre and was piece of P£$s so I am going to stick with that
BrianR
Off on a bit of a trip but are relying on a puncture repair kit and a shed load of them small gas bottles. did some tests on a old rim and tyre and was piece of P£$s so I am going to stick with that
BrianR
Stewart H
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Updated, the tyre was still losing pressure, and ultraseal, as the line of the stuff continued to spray around under the mudguard shows, I ended up doing a string repair for the Llangollen rideout, tyre now replaced, not bothering with Ultraseal any more, I really wanted it to work and honestly thought that the rear puncture would have been an ideal candidate for ultraseal to fix, near the centre of the tyre, small. The Tyre fitter was not concerned about the ultraseal in the tyres.
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t'other dave
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Good reply from bikerless, the marketing I was refering to was the shows that ultraseal worked for years with a guy on a stand with a tyre who throughout the day would stab the tyre with a sharp object the sealer would spit out then stop whilst he waffled on and the gathering crowd would go "ooohhh aarrhh, good init" I had a stall at the Manchester bike show and their stall was opersit, watched it for 3 days.
The Continental goo thing isn't new I think it was Dunlop? in the early-mid ninties that used a simler stuff in the tyres designed for Jags that ran the TD type rims/tyres, didn't catch on though. The main reason for manufactors looking into this stuff is car makers are saving £1000s by not using spare wheels, using either run flats or just supplying a tin of goo.
The idea of tyres lasting longer still baffles me how does it make the tyre run cooler? do you want your tyres running cooler than designed? Less heat less grip? The point of once in and pressure set therefore not running hotter due to underinflation/ porosity/ atmospheric loss, if everyone did what they should and check presures daily even weekly/before a ride then that wouldn't be a problem.
Again I dont see the need but others swear by it, just bumps up the cost of tyre changes when people are already saying "how much?" and "where's the cheapest place I can get a pair of ...."
The Continental goo thing isn't new I think it was Dunlop? in the early-mid ninties that used a simler stuff in the tyres designed for Jags that ran the TD type rims/tyres, didn't catch on though. The main reason for manufactors looking into this stuff is car makers are saving £1000s by not using spare wheels, using either run flats or just supplying a tin of goo.
The idea of tyres lasting longer still baffles me how does it make the tyre run cooler? do you want your tyres running cooler than designed? Less heat less grip? The point of once in and pressure set therefore not running hotter due to underinflation/ porosity/ atmospheric loss, if everyone did what they should and check presures daily even weekly/before a ride then that wouldn't be a problem.
Again I dont see the need but others swear by it, just bumps up the cost of tyre changes when people are already saying "how much?" and "where's the cheapest place I can get a pair of ...."
Stewart H
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The amount of Ultraseal in the tyre will require heat input to warm it up along with the tyre, its a liquid in intimate contact with the tyre so it has to make the tyre slower to warm up, the automatic sealing of porosity or slow bead leaks are probably a real benefit,on the other hand I have introduced milk into a tyre to cure a bead leak, and it works too. Am I complaining of a product that sealed a puncture for me, allowed me to ride for over 100 miles before needing to add any air, and finally sealed the sticky string repair (It was hissing slightly until I rode off) Its coolant/lubrication may well help a tyre in a run flat situation too, that said I dont think I will use it again.
Stewart
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Back in the seventies and eighties there used to be a tyre sealant that was identical to ultraseal/puncture safe ( or whatever it's called this week). Back then it was called OKO -
Anyone remember the the logo OKO, with the little rider above the oko lettering to make the name look like a bike.
That was shite as well.
But people never learn, new name, same shite.
If it was any good a tyre manufacture would have it's own brand and endorse it.
Stewart H
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Solvol OKO, green goo, I remember the advertising. Steptoe 
I am sure they traded on the Autosol link, something we trusted.
Stewart
I am sure they traded on the Autosol link, something we trusted.
Stewart
bikeless
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possibly, they all seem to endorse these temporary fix sealants though that once used destroy a tyre and you got to buy a new one for the sake of a small puncture that could easily be fixed (in a car atleast).
t'other dave, with your experience in the tyre industry do you believe ultraseal could or have you ever witnessed ultraseal covering up a dangerous puncture? Do you think the 'if theres damage to the cords ultraseal will bleed out because of no rubber recovery' is a load of bs. its not that easy to substantiate these claims.
Royal mail use it in thier 32000 fleet and
is on trial with it in thier home delivery vans.
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