Unexplained fuel fire on 2002 1150GS Adventure - clipped from Mike O's ride report

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So –what happened?

The short answer is – I don’t know.

First – a recap…

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The lovely Claire and Letty wave me goodbye and I set off.

In order to get onto the motorway I have to double back through an industrial estate. Without warning the bike slows – it has started firing on only one cylinder. I keep the engine running and turn into a roadway in the industrial area. I find I can keep the engine running on one cylinder, so long as I keep the revs above 2500. I set the throttle lock to this setting and put the bike on its side stand...

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I feel each of the headers in turn with my (gloved) hands and the right header is considerably cooler – indicating that this is where the trouble is. I take off my gloves, pull my tool kit out and undo the two bolts holding on the right hand side-panel. I turn away to pick up my camera, turn back, noticing a sudden smell of petrol and, with a dull whoosh, a large fire develops in front of me. I later found that I took a picture – probably a reflex action.

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I quickly turn off the kill switch to stop fuel supply, but it’s obvious this fire is going to be catastrophic.

So, the bike started firing on one cylinder (the left). I stopped, keeping the engine running at about 2500 rpm (from memory) using the throttle lock at nearly full throttle to do this.

Being a geek – I just took this as another part of the ride, so took time to take two pictures of the bike (the first one is above – here’s the other)…

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With the engine still running, I took my toolkit out and removed the two bolts holding the right hand side-panel on. I turned to put the panel on the pavement, picked up my camera and was just turning back to face the bike when I noticed a very strong smell of petrol. Almost at the same time a significant fire developed with a ‘whoosh’ clearly audible above the engine. As I mentioned at the time, I must have taken the picture by reflex, because I got busy rescuing kit etc straight away and only saw the pic later.

Now it’s very tempting to tie the fire and the misfire together, as one happened so soon after the other. One thing’s for sure – we’re never going to know for certain what happened, because the components involved are plastic, rubber and alloy, so any evidence is long gone.

From a maintenance point of view, all the fuel pipes had been replaced during the winter refit (2011/12) and chromed brass QD connectors fitted with BMW crimped hose clamps. These had performed perfectly all the year. The last time the QDs were apart was in October to chase down an electrical fault (nowhere near the fire and not related), and the bike had run several thousand miles without a snag since then.

The fuel injectors had been serviced in the Spring of this year – and had performed faultlessly throughout the Dolomites trip in July and this trip.

But let’s have a closer look at the fire picture…

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I can clearly see the red fuel line disconnected and the electrical connection for the injector seems to have come off.

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It certainly looks like something fairly dramatic happened when my back was turned. I know for sure that the QDs were correctly joined when I took the side panel off – because I was looking for a fault in that area. I am familiar with what this part of the bike is meant to look like and am convinced I would have seen the injector connector disconnected…

To produce a fire you need fuel and a source of ignition.

Could my injector have come apart somehow (fatigue crack – whatever)? There would certainly be a source of ignition (ie the spark plug and any unburned fuel) in the cylinder and throttle body, if it were all suddenly exposed to air.

I can’t discount somebody tampering with the bike – it was under a carport in front of the hotel and there were a load of drunken footballers (youngsters) staying the night before. But it started and ran fine for half a klick or so, before the misfire started.

All speculation - we’ll never find out. But something fairly dramatic happened to the right side of my bike in a very shot space of time…
 
Paul G (BHT) has just pointed out that there seems to be some activity in the area of the helmet lock / rear shock...

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Is that a flame, or a red-hot shorting wire?
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Paul G (BHT) has just pointed out that there seems to be some activity in the area of the helmet lock / rear shock...

Or a reflection? The pannier hinge in the picture has a similar colour point on it.

Was there any misfiring when you parked the bike, because I'm wondering if a backfire would blow off the connecting rubber pipe ......
 
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Or a reflection? The pannier hinge in the picture has a similar colour point on it.

Was there any misfiring when you parked the bike, because I'm wondering if a backfire would blow off the connecting rubber pipe ......

Well, it was 'idling' but only firing on the left cyclinder at a very high throttle setting. I didn't hear any backfiring, just a 'whoosh' noise as the fuel ignited...

I think it's significant that whilst I was taking the pictures and removing the side panel, I didn't smell petrol - it was sudden and strong just a millisecond before the fire broke out...

Mike
 
Or a reflection? The pannier hinge in the picture has a similar colour point on it.

The reflection on the pannier is from a chrome lock. I can't think of anything in the underseat area which is reflective. It could just be some fuel thrown there when whatever component failed?

Mike :confused:
 
Was sorry to hear about the fire Mike - sad end for such a workhorse!

Just been into the garage and snapped these for you to compare...I know it's mucky but will be stripped/cleaned soon. Anyway - see if you can make anything from what you see - not sure what it is Paul's pointed out - I'll have another look tomorrow.

Some pics - same bike/spec as yours by the way...

Thanks Jim - interesting - the only thing behind the helmet lock is the plastic mudguard, by the look of it...

Mike :confused:
 
Was sorry to hear about the fire Mike - sad end for such a workhorse!

Just been into the garage and snapped this for you to compare...I know it's mucky but will be stripped/cleaned soon. Anyway - see if you can make anything from what you see - not sure what it is Paul's pointed out - I'll have another look tomorrow.

A pic - same bike/spec as yours by the way...
 

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Apologies for re-submitting this - seems I copied 3 images of the same shot!

Anyway - the only thing with any wiring going on behind there is the service plug (?)

If you want any more pics let me know and I'll get on it tomorrow.
 
Fekk Mike!! :blast

I had mentally filed your whole report away to read when I had a quiet day so I could take the piss more appropriately, and you go and spoil the punchline like this!!

Twat sir!! :rob

































Sorry to have to read this.....will read the whole thing back and then contribute whatever totally unsubstantiated bollox and baseless opinion that I can

(I had wondered why you were popping up on GSA wanted threads....now I know :eek: :comfort)
 
The red fuel line has seperated , pissed fuel everywhere in the vecinity of hot metal and electrics resulting in a sudden deflagration .
well , that's what my FDR1 would say anyway . :augie:augie
 
Am I right in thinking, heat alone is not an ignition source for petrol?

You are :thumb2

(Up to about 280-300 degrees c anyway, where it reaches 'autoignition point' *thanks wiki*)

You can pour petrol all over a hot engine and nothing will happen apart from lots of nasty boiling fuel vapour
 
Where did you pick out the pic of the rear suspension with what certainly looks like a flame Paul?

Nothing on Mike's smugmug that's open, and can't see it in current cropping of pics on threads :nenau
 
I wonder could that glow be from the exhaust being hot from running at a high tickover with no air to cool it ?

Nawww not that far back on the bike in the time described.....not even the headers would glow visibly in this time scale
 
QD fuel lines do not just disconnect, surely :nenau

They have a positive spring action, and require an actual force to separate them, unless they were not fully clicked home in the first place.

Mike....any chance that the front screw on the side panel was interfering with the QD? When you unscrewed it, I'm just wondering if it had by chance trapped the QD behind it?


Firing on the left only, then forced to tick over by using nearly full throttle lock.......yet it was only revving at 2500 ish?

That sounds wrong too....at nearly full throttle it ought to have been revving its nuts off way too high for an ex-plod rider to bear :augie

So....something caused it to run on one side....and something that either supplied an ignition source for fuel, or was actually on fire behind those silly but pretty panels of yours :rolleyes:......coil pack?

I have a nasty feeling that yours was a single sparker though :blast

If it was a twin spark....(run with me here, I'm a few :beer: down and making sense to myself at least :rolleyes:) then maybe the RH coil pack was on its way out, started shorting, you revved it and forced enough current through to expedite this (plenty have burnt out properly, flames and all) , it burnt the seal rings out of the QD on the high pressure red pipe, it let go and as you describe, you smelt petrol then up she goes :nenau


If it was a single spark, that doesn't wash, and I reckon it was Claire......Letty has such a lovely smile but Claire's looks forced and dodgy to me :eek:
 
The QD connectors. Did you fit a matching pair both make and female? Did you change the o rings, did you lube them with spit or similar or fit them dry possibly causing damage?

My only concern on 1150s when any touches my bike is how vulnerable the hard plastic fuel line to injector is.
 
i would guess it was caused by an unfused wire fretting against metal, then shorting to earth and melting a petrol pipe.

as it started in the vicinity of the fuse box, i'd suspect the feed wire from the battery to the fuses :nenau
 
The fuel.
The Q/D with the red tape seems to be pulling the hard plastic fuel pipe outwards at an angle.
The plastic fuel line can get very brittle as it ages, and i've seen a few pipes wet with fuel due to the fuel pressure forcing the fuel out of the stress cracks.
If yours has been bent in that position for some time it may explain where the fuel or fuel vapour has appeared from.
Or something as simple as the Q/D "O" ring leaking.

The igniter/spark.
I remember you were having problems with the running of the bike, or a noise from the R/H side of the engine ?
Could this have been a coil/HT lead cracking as it shorted out ? would possibly explain where the spark came from....

Also, this noise... was it sounding terminal ? Did the lovely Claire and Letty per chance happen to sell you a box of matches before your departure :D:D
 
Mike O said:
So, the bike started firing on one cylinder (the left). I stopped, keeping the engine running at about 2500 rpm (from memory) using the throttle lock at nearly full throttle to do this.

With the engine still running, I took my toolkit out and removed the two bolts holding the right hand side-panel on. I turned to put the panel on the pavement, picked up my camera and was just turning back to face the bike when I noticed a very strong smell of petrol. Almost at the same time a significant fire developed with a ‘whoosh’ clearly audible above the engine.

First thing is the "one cylinder" firing.

If something was causing fuel starvation to the right-hand cylinder and that being the cause of that cylinder not firing, it could have been a failure of the fuel line beyond the QD connector or the QD connector itself.

If that failure was in the form of some kind of blockage the pump would still be delivering fuel and building pressure sufficient for the QD to separate/fail or the fuel line to fracture under the pressure resulting in the sudden smell of petrol just before combustion.
 


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