Used frame

[seamus1504]

Hi

I know it's a long shot but does anyone know where i can get my hands on a second frame for a 2005 1150 Rockster ??

As from a previous thread my wife's Rockster has a bent frame and needs replacing, or rejigged !



Seamus

 

[sockpuppet]

Usual breakers would be my best bet. Is it all bent or just the front/rear frame?

Motorworks
Sherlocks
Motobins

 

[Neil W]

Problem is that with a secondhand frame you will end up with the bike on a Q plate if you do it legitimately.
The DVLA will not let you change the chassis/VIN number and if you alter the numbers on the used frame (even though it is legit) the bike becomes in the eyes of the DVLA and the law a 'ringer'.
It also becomes almost impossible to sell. .
Better bet is to get the current one straightened (if possible) or a new replacement (the DVLA will allow you to keep the original registration).
Not sure if new BMW frames have a VIN on them, most new replacement japanese frames come without any numbers on the headstock. Most are left blank or stamped by the supplying dealer with the original VIN.
If the bike was originally an insurance job query with them why it was not properly repaired.

 

[Neil W]

Just wondering how the frame has bent , it looks a similar part to the r1150 gs one which is built like a tank.
I would have thought that the forks would have gone first and then in an impact the front suspension arm would have transfered the forces directly into the engine cases damaging them.
I was at Motorworks 6 or 7 years ago and spoke to them about buying a front end damaged Adventure (not from them ) and they showed me five or six front end crashed telelevers all of which had damaged engine casings.

 

[BillN]

DVLA problem with secondhand - unless you can get a used frame with a V5


Just enquire with BMW for the price on a new frame - they come with no number - they will stamp your existing number on it

 

[Wrigsby1]

Yip, it would be good to hear details of which bit is bent and how you found it...

 

[seamus1504]

Yip, it would be good to hear details of which bit is bent and how you found it...

It's right at the top of the front of the frame, sort of a bulge on either side at the top end of the frame.
It was one of the Accident Investigators at work, who I asked to take it for a ride as I wasn't happy the way the bike handled !!


Seamus

 

[Steptoe]

DVLA problem with secondhand -

Why - you don't even have to inform them.

You can use a secondhand frame and keep your current reg number.

have your frame number stamped onto the used frame, but DO NOT REMOVE THE ORIGINAL NUMBER so it can be identified if need be, so you have a frame with two numbers.
Had a few bikes in the past like that, and even had a couple with no frame numbers, and they were both direct from the police

 

[BillN]

Why - you don't even have to inform them.

You can use a secondhand frame and keep your current reg number.

have your frame number stamped onto the used frame, but DO NOT REMOVE THE ORIGINAL NUMBER so it can be identified if need be, so you have a frame with two numbers.
Had a few bikes in the past like that, and even had a couple with no frame numbers, and they were both direct from the police

Neil - have you done this then?
Have you spoken to DVLA about it?
Are you aware of the current regulations?

From talking to DVLA and two local Bike MOT garages and Jim Cray, when the Bike is MOTied - DVLA will be informed - they then write to you and ask you what has happened and will probably require the Bike to be inspected

Can you quote me an real current example of what you suggest

 

[Steptoe]

they then write to you and ask you what has happened and will probably require the Bike to be inspected

And why is that a problem ?

I must admit it was a few years ago, i changed the frame on K100LT and used a second hand frame, kept the original number on the frame ( as it's illegal to tamper etc etc ) and had the bike number added alongside.

Most Recent i bought a crashed total loss bike from france, and it was easier and cheaper to just replace the frame with a used one with all the paper work. The frame i used was even a different model.
The best advice is to keep every bit of paperwork. DVLA do love a bit of paperwork. The more you've got the happier they are.

 

[BillN]

You certainly have to have a receipt to prove that you purchased the used frame giving full details of the seller etc..............as clearly they are looking for stolen Bikes being broken

any amendment to the frame number has to be made by an "authorised" person - although I never quite found out who an "authorised" person was - but "you" could not do it

DVLA will not give you a definite answer on the telephone as to what the outcome of any inspection will be ............ so there is an off chance that they will "reject" the Bike

There may be a few reasons why you would want to keep clear of a DVLA inspection - you just never know what they may object to

 

[Steptoe]

any amendment to the frame number has to be made by an "authorised" person - although I never quite found out who an "authorised" person was - but "you" could not do it

Who is going to enforce that old bollox. I expect that was quoted to you by an office whaller reading from a leaflet.

I know of a bmw dealer giving a replacement frame to a person (who uses this website) to stamp his own number onto it, then they fitted the new frame for him. No problems whatsoever.

 

[BillN]

Who is going to enforce that old bollox. I expect that was quoted to you by an office whaller reading from a leaflet.

I know of a bmw dealer giving a replacement frame to a person (who uses this website) to stamp his own number onto it, then they fitted the new frame for him. No problems whatsoever.

depends whether you want to take the chance spending time and money rebuilding the Bike to then have trouble over a technicality

It was not some "office waller"

 

[Steptoe]

There may be a few reasons why you would want to keep clear of a DVLA inspection - you just never know what they may object to

It used to be a police officer visited you and checked the bike out. And, as Mike P has stated many times, you had to show them where to look for the frame number, and which end was the front

And if you had to take it to the dvla office the nice lady used to compliment you on the pretty colour of bicycle.

And if you have to take it to one of the recent vehicle inspection centers you only have to watch them with a bike to know they haven't a clue. But i'd give them 10 out of 10 in how to look and act officious.

 

[Steptoe]

depends whether you want to take the chance spending time and money rebuilding the Bike to then have trouble over a technicality

It was not some "office waller"

Well the BMW dealer wasn't too bothered

The secret is not to confuse the DVLA. If you ask them too many questions they don't like it, and if they don't know the answer they won't allow it.