iand46
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More of what your used to..........
Hotel Römerbrück
Aachener Straße 5, 54294 Trier, Germany
Might be a bridge too far..........
Useful things I have learned today using BaseCamp on a Mac
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Hotel Römerbrück
Aachener Straße 5, 54294 Trier, Germany
Might be a bridge too far..........
Bet you can't successfully search for Trier on the German-Luxembourg border
I love a challenge, me..... So here goes.... T r i er (that's an impression of my typing skills) push the key thing button on the keyboard..... BINGO!
Treves / Trier located in as long a period of time as it took me to type in the five letters of Trier and push the button.
Let's say that was, near enough, instant.
As well as listing the town in one line, with both its spellings separated by a slash 'Treves / Trier' it listed at least 10 points of interest ( the big church being one) and assorted other possibilities of places or things that include the words 'Trier' or 'Treves'. It appears I have been there, though I had forgotten, as it found a cafe I had saved in my Favourites.
I searched for the town using the POI facility. It is the facility BaseCamp uses to allow you to search for 'things' (places and other Points of Interest) when using their excellent 'Trip planner'.
"10 points to BaseCamp, none to Stolzy".
If I am truly honest I had been struggling using the software's normal Search / Find button. I had asked it to find Berlin and Stockholm (two large capital cities) a couple of weeks ago when I was just mucking about. It failed. This was despite following the Garmin made videos on how to Search. It was only yesterday that I recalled a post on UKGSer suggesting using POI searches. I used POI to find Arras in one click (I knew where the town is, I just wanted to practice) which was handy. I thought I would use the 'Trier test challenge' as suggested by Stolzy, as a true measure of whether it works and whether I really understand it... It seems we both passed.
PS I have just worked out when I went there.... It's not far from a ride I did on the Easter Wander to Vianden, itself right on the Luxembourg / Germsny border. Shame on me for forgetting. Full marks to Garmin for remembering for me. I make a point of recording good cafés whenever I stop at them, saving them as a Favourite. POI search found it when it hunted for Trier. It's funny to sometimes trip over some obscure Favourite or other when doing something else, as it jogs your memory.
It leads us (via a circuitous path) to the apparent value in using BaseCamp's ability to link pictures and other data into Trip planning and using the same software as a permanent record after the trip. Stolzy's test has given me a bit more of an insight into how it works and how it can be made to work. I knew that BaseCamp was much more powerful than Mapsource, but hated using it on a PC. Buying a Nav V forced me to get on with using it, my Mac does the rest.
If I had one bit of advice to anyone struggling with (or new to) BaseCamp, it would be not to just play at it. That was the mistake I had been making. I was forced to plan some Wanders and forced to use BaseCamp by now only having a Nav V. It really was sink or swim time. I came very close to buying a secondhand 660 off the site at one point but I resisted. I am glad now that I did, not least as the Nav V is streets ahead of the 660 / Nav IV and really is designed around BaseCamp.
Once you get used to it (I am new to Mac's too, which didn't help) I realised that much of the software works exactly as it does in Mapsource, only better. I like the way all the folders and files appear down the left of the screen, for instance. It's really easy to drag and drop things around. It's fast, at least compared to my very creaky laptop. All in all, I am happy with its quirks. I had forgotten how I battled with Mapsource at first (I am far from computer savvy) but through regular patient use discovered all sorts of tricks and shortcuts. Creating over 500 individual routes around France and Germany helped!
Maybe map version dependent. I have Europe 2014 and it knows nothing of Trier. Its knows of several Sparkassen, ATMs, Pizzerias, restaurants and a ski shop and notes then all diligently, but not the town of Trier that currently occupies the centre of the screen.
Now, I could use the the above points of interest to locate the town, but they are scattered around the map at various distances from the town itself (as far as 755 km in the case of the ski shop) and seems an odd way to do things when the town has a name.
Turns out that in this case, although the name of the town shown on the map is Trier the name of the town used by the search engine is the French 'Treves'. This strikes me as a odd since Trier is Germany not in France. Are we to search for 'Douvres' rather than 'Dover', Aachen or Aix-la-Chapelle? How do we guess what language to search for. If I can't get it to recognize Mulhouse, should I check for the German exonym? Portuguese? Czech? How do i tell what language the search engine uses - the map on the screen is no guide.
Your method for divining a town's position from a triangulation of pizzerias and ATMs might be a decent enough rough guide, I would have expected more precision from, what is after all mapping software.
Now, I could use the the above points of interest to locate the town, but they are scattered around the map at various distances from the town itself (as far as 755 km in the case of the ski shop) and seems an odd way to do things when the town has a name.
Turns out that in this case, although the name of the town shown on the map is Trier the name of the town used by the search engine is the French 'Treves'. This strikes me as a odd since Trier is Germany not in France. Are we to search for 'Douvres' rather than 'Dover', Aachen or Aix-la-Chapelle? How do we guess what language to search for. If I can't get it to recognize Mulhouse, should I check for the German exonym? Portuguese? Czech? How do i tell what language the search engine uses - the map on the screen is no guide.
Your method for divining a town's position from a triangulation of pizzerias and ATMs might be a decent enough rough guide, I would have expected more precision from, what is after all mapping software.
Deleted account Cooperman
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I'm with Stolzy - the search function is crap.
I am using the latest 2014 maps, too.
I had no idea that the Luxembourg / French spelling of the town was Treves before an hour ago. Though I have the nagging feeling that the spelling had cropped up in my history book at school, probably in the 100 Years War chapter.
Mapsource uses assorted spellings of towns, too. Bozen / Bolzano being a classic of some confusion. Though it confuses bods looking a paper maps and road signs too, so it's not all Navteq's fault.
I can see BasCamp turning in the Marmite of navigation planning. Me? I happen to like Marmite, too.
Anyway, enough idle Biker Banter, I'm off to HQ to watch the rugby
I had no idea that the Luxembourg / French spelling of the town was Treves before an hour ago. Though I have the nagging feeling that the spelling had cropped up in my history book at school, probably in the 100 Years War chapter.
Mapsource uses assorted spellings of towns, too. Bozen / Bolzano being a classic of some confusion. Though it confuses bods looking a paper maps and road signs too, so it's not all Navteq's fault.
I can see BasCamp turning in the Marmite of navigation planning. Me? I happen to like Marmite, too.
Anyway, enough idle Biker Banter, I'm off to HQ to watch the rugby
Sorry, I meant 2012, not 2014.
I don't think the problem is BaseCamp (which is IMO among the least worst things Garmin did, though that is hardly praise) I think the problem is in the underlying maps or the search engine.
I can't count the times when I've been unable to search successfully a well known town, despite looking at it on the screen in front of me.
I don't think the problem is BaseCamp (which is IMO among the least worst things Garmin did, though that is hardly praise) I think the problem is in the underlying maps or the search engine.
I can't count the times when I've been unable to search successfully a well known town, despite looking at it on the screen in front of me.
Bet you can't successfully search for Trier on the German-Luxembourg border
2014. 4 maps.
Search for "Trier, DEU" - It works.
Reason? Maps cover many countries. The default search is "from centre of map" the country ref moves the centre of the search.
Treves is the old English name. Trèves is French - pedantic aint it.
If, after finding Trier, I search for Margate, it finds nowt. Change that to Margate, GBR and it works.
Now, that's a good tip.
http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/ctycodes.htm
PS Before Stolzy says it, the maps cover lots of countries in Mapsouece, too. Without using the DEU code.
http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/ctycodes.htm
PS Before Stolzy says it, the maps cover lots of countries in Mapsouece, too. Without using the DEU code.
Bendy toy
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Indeed its sad that we have to look at the world through a tiny letter box screen and only see a sanitised simplified view of what's really out there.
I dont see the concern about "getting lost" You have a widget for goodness sake and a phone that does more or less the same thing.
If you want to explore put the bleating bully in your pocket and follow your own nose. If (when) you get too scared of the big wide world switch it back on again and ask it to nanny you all the way home. Heaven forbid that someone might actually read a road sign.
That's true but the Yanks, being a bit dim and unable to think for themselves, used to end up going to the wrong destination because they were presented with a list of places with the same name and seemed to always pick the wrong destination.
The village I lived in a few years ago was removed from the "cities POI" list (Mapsource). When I complained, they said they understood but they were removing duplicates!!!
It was re-listed a year or two after that, but you could only find it directly if you knew they had called it Peyrat-Transformer The transformer was demolished last year
Maybe litigation in the US has forced them down this route
(C) Printing the map / directions
The map (all or part of it) can be saved as a PDF and printed quite nicely. The directions are in truth more detailed than are easy to use, Googlemaps' instructions are probably better.
That being said, it's sometimes useful to have both in case of dire emergencies..... Like your GPS device packing up! Print them out and tuck them in your tank bag, along with your paper maps. You do have paper maps, don't you? The hi-tech amongst you could load the PDF onto your phone or iPad.
The map (all or part of it) can be saved as a PDF and printed quite nicely. The directions are in truth more detailed than are easy to use, Googlemaps' instructions are probably better.
That being said, it's sometimes useful to have both in case of dire emergencies..... Like your GPS device packing up! Print them out and tuck them in your tank bag, along with your paper maps. You do have paper maps, don't you? The hi-tech amongst you could load the PDF onto your phone or iPad.
Cheers for that Mr Wapping Sir and for taking the time to Post.
Have win doze computer and laptop the latter on 8.1.
Have made up several local routes I know,helped by connecting to big telly, that helps see more of the map
With the avoidances set and an evening or Sunday afternoon devoted to Basecamp I have learnt more. Your post has consolidated and confirmed that this software is useable.
So even if you don't learn all it's functionality, you can plot routes that work well.
Have win doze computer and laptop the latter on 8.1.
Have made up several local routes I know,helped by connecting to big telly, that helps see more of the map
With the avoidances set and an evening or Sunday afternoon devoted to Basecamp I have learnt more. Your post has consolidated and confirmed that this software is useable.
So even if you don't learn all it's functionality, you can plot routes that work well.
I think that you have won at least half of the battle and maybe even the entire war.
It does work as routing software, just as well as Mapsouce. Take a bit of time to learn it, preferably by creating some real routes that will be of some use and all should be well. Ignore anything else.
It does work as routing software, just as well as Mapsouce. Take a bit of time to learn it, preferably by creating some real routes that will be of some use and all should be well. Ignore anything else.
Bumpkin
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It's true
If some of the Mapsource hangers-on are happy with their lot I'm not going to stand there and preach that Basecamp is better. However, you'll increasingly find that as Basecamp evolves it'll become more useful and usable. For my money that point was some time ago.
Mr Wapping, Sir
, based on your reputation as a Garmin Guru, you have tempted me to look again at Basecamp and in particular the Trip Planner function. On a mac, try as I might I cannot get the end point from day1 to be the start point of day2.Yes it will be something obvious, but having googled the topic I am still no wiser.
IF you know the answer offhand - give me a clue. If you don't, I myself will continue the quest for enlightenment
and report back if I have anything to add.cheers, paul
(grovelling rider of a toilet)
Has anyone tried using the online Michelin route planner and then transferred it to their Garmin?
I had a quick look earlier and thought it quite good but have yet to play with it in depth?
Any views?
I had a quick look earlier and thought it quite good but have yet to play with it in depth?
Any views?
iand46
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You may be able to drag & drop as well.
zoot
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Many thanks Wapping
After reading this thread I was encouraged to plot a short trip to the boarders (Scottish) it took a few hours to get the hang of it (work in progress) Being able to choose the roads I want to ride was the incentive required. Next up two week trip to France, Verdun, Ballons, Furka, Med, route de Nap, aravis, etc have got it on a road atlas just need to bite the bullet and start basecamp.
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After reading this thread I was encouraged to plot a short trip to the boarders (Scottish) it took a few hours to get the hang of it (work in progress) Being able to choose the roads I want to ride was the incentive required. Next up two week trip to France, Verdun, Ballons, Furka, Med, route de Nap, aravis, etc have got it on a road atlas just need to bite the bullet and start basecamp.
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