Vibration worse after fitting exhaust headers question

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I fitted some Keihan exhaust headers yesterday and during a run today found that the engine revs through the mid-range better but there is worse vibration from around 3.5k - 4.5k revs than with the standard headers.

Can anyone tell me if this is normal while the fuel injection sorts itself out for the new headers or have I fitted them incorrectly?
 
I fitted Remus headers to my 06 1200 and had the same happen which settled down in a very short space of time. I've fitted the same headers to my new 2009 GSA but that has remained nice and smooth.

Dave
 
if you changed the headers would you not need to do the throttle balance as well, since your changing the airflow characteristics of the engine

You shouldn't need to do that normally but it's worth doing as a precaution in this case.

I've supplied and fitted loads of these and never had this problem. I would recheck your fitting and make sure everything is tightened and the lamba sensors are reconnected correctly.
 
Did you use new exhaust gaskets??

The 1200GS/GSA doesn’t have exhaust gaskets. At least I have never found any when changing headers on all my GS’s (I’m on my 5th). My current 2009 GSA didn’t have any when I fitted Remus headers.

Oh, yes, my GSA did feel a bit harsh after fitting the headers, but only for about 60 miles or so. She’s smoother than a very smooth thing now.
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Hi mate,
Akro down pipes on mine, and its noticeably smoother, for what its worth.
 
The 1200GS/GSA doesn’t have exhaust gaskets. At least I have never found any when changing headers on all my GS’s (I’m on my 5th). My current 2009 GSA didn’t have any when I fitted Remus headers.

Oh, yes, my GSA did feel a bit harsh after fitting the headers, but only for about 60 miles or so. She’s smoother than a very smooth thing now.
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There are exhaust gaskets - they are very thing metal and so very easy to leave behind.

When I bought my BOS headers from a dealer I asked about gaskets and they promptly showed me them:)
 
I think you will find that the GS does have exhaust gaskets.

Ok, OK, I stand corrected.:blast I just spoke to my local BMW dealer, who told me that there are very thin steel gaskets where the headers meet the heads (cost approx. £5 each:eek:). However, these gaskets do not require changing when fitting new/replacement headers, and they never change them as a matter of course, unless they are damaged.

I must say, I have never noticed these gaskets when swapping the headers on all my GS’s. Note to self...must get eyes tested.:rob
 
Ok, OK, I stand corrected.:blast I just spoke to my local BMW dealer, who told me that there are very thin steel gaskets where the headers meet the heads (cost approx. £5 each:eek:). However, these gaskets do not require changing when fitting new/replacement headers, and they never change them as a matter of course, unless they are damaged.

I must say, I have never noticed these gaskets when swapping the headers on all my GS’s. Note to self...must get eyes tested.:rob

I always advise new exhaust gaskets when changing headers because they are technically a "one use" item and I've known them blow when new headers are fitted. £9 well spend IMHO:thumb.
 
Just had the Keihan headers fitted last week along with an Akro Exhaust end can. Thought I'd leave it for a couple of days before posting. The bike was a bit rough for the first few miles but has now settled down and runs very smoothly. BTW I have a stock air filer and have left the DB killer in the can. Thanks to SGT Bilco of this parish for the help and advice :thumb
 
Just to clarify, I did replace the exhaust gaskets but I did not unplug the lambda sensor wiring as I couldn't find any point at which to split the plastic block thing that clips to the plastic cover under the cylinders.

I had some reservations about twisting the wires to unscrew and replace the lambda sensors though. It seemed to me that the mounting points for the lambda sensors were slightly further forward on the Keihan headers and meant that I had to clip the plastic block back into the plastic cover before I could screw the sensors back in.

Is this a clue about a possible faux pas? :nenau
 
Just to clarify, I did replace the exhaust gaskets but I did not unplug the lambda sensor wiring as I couldn't find any point at which to split the plastic block thing that clips to the plastic cover under the cylinders.

I had some reservations about twisting the wires to unscrew and replace the lambda sensors though. It seemed to me that the mounting points for the lambda sensors were slightly further forward on the Keihan headers and meant that I had to clip the plastic block back into the plastic cover before I could screw the sensors back in.

Is this a clue about a possible faux pas? :nenau

The Keihan are the exact same dimensions as the standard headers so you shouldn't of had a problem there. The Lamda sensors unclip at the point where you clipped them back under the cylinder heads:blast

Unscrewing the sensors shouldn't cause you any issues as they only turn 3 or 4 times.

Would be worth double checking all is in order though and you have no leaks at the head or connection to the end can.
 
Keihan Vibration

Just fitted Keihan headers to my 2009 GS with the hope of improving the engine vibration. My previous experience with the 1200 engine was a 2005 GS, then a 2007 R. The 2005 GS vibration was OK below 4,000 rpm but a bit annoying above this. It was tolerable, but on long journeys it got to me. I then tested an R1200R, what a difference, so much smoother, very little vibration from 0 - 90 mph, with clear mirrors. This was such an improvement that I bought one, even though I preferred the GS as an all round bike.

After 15,000 miles the novelty of a new bike had worn off, and I started to miss the suspension and riding position. From what I could gather the R1200R had basically an RT1200 spec engine. When I heard that the 2008 GS was to get a similar spec engine, I thought this could be just what I wanted. So the bit you have been waiting for, 2009 GS vibtation not good, I have riden 3 others, and they were the same. 0-4,000 rpm very smooth, 4-4,500 rpm vibtation progressively builds, at 4,500 rpm, 75 mph, the mirrors are vibrating, as are the footrests and handlebars, at a level which is annoying but tolerable for short periods. On long motorway runs it gets to you. From 4,500 - 5,5000 rpm it tails off slightly. It gets slightly smoother after this, but I tend to travel between 70 -90 mph on the motorway so not good.

The bike now has 6,000 miles on it, and has been serviced by me very carefully, the tappets set as pairs, to be identical, to the correct clearance. The rocker endfloat matched towards the lower end of the spec, and throttles balanced.

With Keihan headers, standard can and filter, the engine vibration is very different, 0 - 3,750 rpm even smoother, smoother than the R1200R, like an electric motor. At 3,750 rpm vibration kicks in instantly, not progressively. (At a level about 2/3rds the amount with the standard headers, at 4,500 rpm). At 4,250 rpm the vibration tails off to a level which is not too bad, the mirrors are clear, the footrests and handlebars now rumble rather than vibrate, and I don't find myself avoiding certain parts of the rev range on the motorway.

Performance wise the bike feels a bit more lively on pickup, the flat spot at 4,500 rpm is not as noticable, the engine feels just that bit sweeter. To sum up, the Keihan headers are worth fitting just for the vibration improvement alone.
 


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