What do you think?

[Buz]

Had to take the 650 back for warranty work on the brakes.
They have now decided the disc brake is warped and will need replacing under warranty....sounds ok to me but they state I have to pay for the pads! The bike has done nearly 6k miles and I dont believe the pads should need replacing yet but can see the logic to changing pads when changing the disc....Should i be paying for the pads or request BMW pay or pay part towards it? (Dont want to look a bigger pr1k if I'm in the wrong and should pay)

They have also noticed the front tyre is down to the limit according to the bar but this is only on the offside side of the tyre the rest has plenty of tread, could there be a reason for this? I'm not a cornering god by any means and would have assumed the middle of the tyre would wear out before the edge (It has TPS so I know the pressure is within limits - if its working i guess )
Tyre is gonna be £80 +vat and fitting, think it would be cheaper else where but as its on the limit and they have the wheel off etc may as well let them do it.

They quoted me about £100 for the 6k mile service which did make me

 

[twizit]

Have you actually checked the pads? My 650 is just around the 6k miles mark and my front pads are coming up in need of a change.

I put it down to stop start commuting and only having a single front disk, but obviously your riding may differ.

 

[Buz]

Have you actually checked the pads? My 650 is just around the 6k miles mark and my front pads are coming up in need of a change.

I put it down to stop start commuting and only having a single front disk, but obviously your riding may differ.

Good point, no I hadn't I must admit i think along the lines of the car but obviously brakes wear differently on a bike than a car, you're probably right, the pads could well be worth changing. BMW have quoted £50 for them, assume they are cheaper else where but will go with them this time, warranty runs out soon and i dont think i'll be extending it, think its about £300+ for the 12 months.

 

[StumpyFingers]

If only BMW had a dealer like David Silvers for Honda.
Then buy the parts and fit them yourself.
Regardless of the condition of the pads, I would always change them with the disc, they bed in to the surface of the disc so new all round is the only way to go.

 

[steve hughes]

Motorworks do sintered EBC not far off top of the range for £25 deld Mine lasted 9K dealer quoted £75 for front fitted
brill video here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17oO6Xp5ej0

changed mine , took less than 30 mins , just need to get a female torq socket / star socket to remove the caliper.

Hope this helps

 

[Buz]

Motorworks do sintered EBC not far off top of the range for £25 deld Mine lasted 9K dealer quoted £75 for front fitted
brill video here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17oO6Xp5ej0

changed mine , took less than 30 mins , just need to get a female torq socket / star socket to remove the caliper.

Hope this helps

Thanks Steve, think i'm just gonna have to bite the bullet with this one and let the dealers charge me for them..........

Now the Warranty is about to expire I think its about time i found my way around doing jobs on the bike myself.......

 

[steve hughes]

No worries mine came out of warranty in June 10. When my bike was in they commented on the head gasket leaking (cam cover thingy) I paid to have that done . You just have to make judgements on what you can and cant do.

If you get 5 look at the other video on youtube of a guy changing the rear pads on a F800 out in the sticks with stunning scenery, he does it in minutes!! without even removing the caliper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnQeLduKOX0

 

[Tim Cullis]

With just the single disc up front the brake pads won't last 12,000 miles, so when it comes to the 6,000 service the dealer will replace them on the basis they won't make it to the next service.

Best thing is to learn to fit your own new pads then as well as saving on the labour costs you only need two sets of pads over 18,000 rather than three sets.

 

[eraserhead]

I had a warped rotor on the front, the shop replaced the bad one and both sets of pads under warranty.

 

[TheJoker]

There's a few factors here to consider.

First, brake pad wear. Single disk, heavy braking will wear the pads, but 6,000 miles seem a bit low, however, if you have ABS, then it's probably right. ABS is a killer on brake wear, I've noticed.

Also, new disks should have new pads, otherwise it's very little point in changing.

Then, the reason they're changing the disks under warranty is probably because everything is OEM and fitted by them. Could be worth the slight extra cost to have them replace the pads with their own pads and have them fit them. You know, that way they've got no problem should you come back and complain again.

But, dealers tend to tell their customers that the pads need replacing before it reaches the "worn-out-groove". The reason for this is that they want to avoid any problems with brake failure, they "calculate" the wear to the next service, also they want sell you bits and labour.

If you want, order OEM pads or after market pads and change them yourself as soon as you get the bike back, if you want to save some money.

As with the tyre, BMW isn't in the tyre changing business and therefore they charge for stuff they "don't want to do". Ride the bike to another bike shop or tyre place and have it replaced there if you want to save the money.

Hope that's of any use.

 

[ILMV]

+1

Buy the pads + tyre online (you'll save some $$$ here), drop the front wheel and take said wheel + type to a mechanic who'll change it in a jiffy, get mine done for £10 (beer money for the apprentice), then whilst the wheels of swap the pads.

Booom, saved yourself a load of cash and learnt a bit too.

I did this for my rear wheel + pads not to long ago, and ended up saving a shed load (IIRC £80-£100) off of the BMW estimate.

 

[StumpyFingers]

My bike is still under warranty , it would not stop me changing the pads if they need it, also I would take the bike to a tyre fitter ( Watlings) to get my tyres changed.
They are lots cheaper than the dealers.

 

[Dave Ett]

Tyres will generally wear more on one side due to the camber of the road.

 

[twizit]

Have to say I'd always meant to do more DIY maintenance on my bike and the ease with which the pads were changed in that video has just kicked me to get on with it.

New pads duly ordered.




Expect a post in a week or so asking how to sort out a knackered front brake caliper....

 

[twizit]

New pads

Ok I lied.

Pads duly changed over in all of 15 minutes this morning, half of which involved searching around for a suitable implement to knock out the securing pin with given my centre punch was too big

Why oh why haven't I ever done this myself in the past? Such an easy bit of DIY, and at least £30 saved, not to mention the time and the petrol to get to the dealers....

One happy chappy

 

[ILMV]

Get yourself a BMW mechanics DVD, a great resource if you're doing this kind of stuff, gives you detailed drawings / instructions for the basic to the advanced stuff.

I think if you ask Greggers nicely he may know a man who knows someone who might know how to get one...

Happy xmas

 

[Buz]

Get yourself a BMW mechanics DVD, a great resource if you're doing this kind of stuff, gives you detailed drawings / instructions for the basic to the advanced stuff.

I think if you ask Greggers nicely he may know a man who knows someone who might know how to get one...

Happy xmas

Mmmmm, now you mention it i believe a acquired a 'back up' copy of said DVD about 18 months ago (to keep in a secure place in case the original owner had problems with his/hers), not sure who from though Will have to find it and have a mooch through to see what I can learn