what to get for bike to bike comms?

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hello, im a complete numpty with technology, so having looked through a lot of threads and not knowing what the hell you are on about i thought id ask for a basic reply to a basic question. i need a bike to bike communication system, what is there that is any good? i dont want music i dont want to connect it to my gps and i dont carry a pillion. cheeers....
 
I Got a midland radio with ptt button crash helmet headset from Hein Gerricke it was about £80.
 
for training i use autocom. never found anything to better it. :thumb2
feckin pricey though. :eek:

i also occasionally use a little set of "Alan PMR 446" radios (google them).
grand, small, tidy - but basic and not so good at high speed. Windblast, background noise is intrusive.
must dig them out and put them in the FS+W section actually. :blast


ANYhow,
a lot of success or failure with comms is to do with getting the mic. in the sweet spot / ptt or vox? (i prefer vox - hands free - not feckin about looking for a button to push) and setting the squelch and channel for least interference.

others will have different opinions. :nenau

Good Luck. :)
 
Autocom do a Kit 21-7-TK which is £92 then you just add a kenwood radio a TK3301 or a UBZ depends on how good comms you want from a radio. The autocom kit comes with a noise cancelling headset a Push to talk butten for your left grip a noise filtering interface to connect a kenwood too! :thumb2 Job done.
 
We use a pair of Sena SMH10 Bluetooth headsets. Range is quoted as 900m and in real world riding you get a very good range. On our Scotland tour we had three bikes, generally me up front, wife at rear and we lost contact a couple of times, system automatically reconnected when we were back in range. I would guess in most situations 0.5km was the point at which comms started to struggle unless we had line of site when you could be a lot further apart.

Beauty of the Bluetooth system over the pmr type setup is that you get full duplex conversation (just like making a telephone call).

Battery life is excellent and easily lasted a 10 hour day with the comms permanently open.
 
Buy a Starcom,much cheaper than Autocom even though it`s the same manufacturer.There are a couple on Evil bay at the moment and might be worth a punt.You can buy cheap radios and headsets but believe me you wont be able to hear anything over 30mph.Earplugs help to hear speech clearer as it removes some of the wind roar from your helmet.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/starcom-intercom-/120764240638?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item1c1e1c12fe


I have tried the cheaper route and it was all wasted money.You might not want music but the Starcom has the facility if you change your mind.
 
We use a pair of Schuberth C3 helmets with SRC(Schuberth Rider Communication System)

Good enough for up to 3-400 metres range and I can send the missus into ASDA and tell her what to get while I stay with the bikes......!

SRC does all the Bluetooth stuff for up to three bikes aswell as having an RDS radio and it's all built into a replacement collar that fits unobtrusively into the helmet. You charge the unit using the USB connection and it's good for up to around twenty hours depending on how you use it.

Schuberth isn't cheap but it's good quality and we didn't want the hastle of an Autocom/bike to bike ptt and all the associated cables powering up and charging etc. We needed new helmets at the time and must say i'm impressed with the system although the FM radio is sh*te......!

FP.:thumb
 
cheers folks, i will start looking at these. ive a feeling i may need a longer range than those suggested, but ill look into em all. (and no i didnt know what ptt meant!!!)
 
ive a feeling i may need a longer range than those suggested

Yer average pmr 1/4 watt is good for about a mile in good conditions,by this i mean line of sight.I have had about this across a french valley but generally its much shorter especially around towns.I use a Wintec radio of 2watts which seems to give a slightly improved gain.Remember more power does not equate to greater range allthough it can help.I prefer 2watt as it doesn`t seem to create distortion when riding a few yards from another radio.I use an external aerial as this seems to help range.Radio aerials should be vertical to achieve any distance.PMR radios can not be modified as they should have fixed aerials and will be 1/4 watt only,most people buy chinese made handhelds with 4watts.These are not legal unless your are a licenced radio ham but you should be ok if you don`t annoy anybody.We find on a run out or going somewhere that conversation is limited to "i need petrol" or "I need the loo"or "yer going the wrong way" type of chats.
 
a descent headset and good radio with PTT switch is all you need, I've used to good effect

Intaride headset
Wintec A80 Radio (Cracking wee radio wit the ability to push the output to 2watts if needed, has removable aerial so it can be located to a better position, this above all else will dictate how good a signal you receive, so even at 0.5 watt yiu get good range with clear comm's)
PTT switch on the LHS grip.

used this set up for a few years never failed, always clear upto an beyond legal speeds :)

No need for it now, so if interested give me a PM and we can discuss it you want ?
 
I've got a couple of Cobra Radios with full headsets on ebay at the moment, great little units. I'm selling them as I've changed over to industrial use Motorolas.
 
hello, im a complete numpty with technology, so having looked through a lot of threads and not knowing what the hell you are on about i thought id ask for a basic reply to a basic question. i need a bike to bike communication system, what is there that is any good? i dont want music i dont want to connect it to my gps and i dont carry a pillion. cheeers....

You don't have to use all those features just because they're there. Don't be put off by features you don't want. I've just seen this Sena bluetooth in use today.

www.sportsrider.co.uk

The guy using it was a police bike instructor. Obviously he has access to all sorts of kit, but he reckoned this was the best he'd used.
 
hello, im a complete numpty with technology, so having looked through a lot of threads and not knowing what the hell you are on about i thought id ask for a basic reply to a basic question. i need a bike to bike communication system, what is there that is any good? i dont want music I dont want to connect it to my gps and i dont carry a pillion. cheeers....

A lot of the guys I ride with use Bike to Bike 2 way radios (they can all talk and listen at the same time which you can't with bluetooth), not the cheap Toys-r-Us Midland things but similar to those by Intaride.com, Autocom/Starcom.com and sportsrider.co.uk I think about 80-100 all in for something really decent.

Interestingly most of them are now using the Throat Microphones which aren't affected by wind noise and don't cause problems with close fitting helmets or need cutting in.
 
You didn`t say how many mates you rode with!!Remember if considering bluetooth that they can only pair with about four devices.My friend has a scala and when he has connected his phone and sat nav he is lucky if it can pair to one other :confused:
 
hello, im a complete numpty with technology, so having looked through a lot of threads and not knowing what the hell you are on about i thought id ask for a basic reply to a basic question. i need a bike to bike communication system, what is there that is any good? i dont want music i dont want to connect it to my gps and i dont carry a pillion. cheeers....


Have a look at www.sportsrider.co.uk and their Bike-to-Bike Radios

Choose a radio plus either a helmet headset or throat microphone and voila!

You'll obviously need one set for each person or have someone who already has the same.
 
IMHO the most important part of the equation is the microphone. The headsets from eBay and the likes of Maplin are pretty rubbish, you'll only be heard up to about 40mph with increasing wind noise at anything above town speed making anything you say inaudible by others in your group. You won't know about it until they complain which probably won't be too long. These cheaper headsets are a false economy IMHO.

Decent Bluetooth headsets like the Senna and Interphone have noise cancelling built in though personally I don't think that these are as versatile as a decent wired intercom system. There are limitations to the number of users that can connect and, generally speaking, they all have to be using headsets from the same manufacturer as the long range Bluetooth is a propriety technology. Interphone have introduced the Tribe PMR radio to get around this but from my experience it's still far from ideal with volume issues and can only be used via Bluetooth as it has no mic or speaker of it's own.

Autocom, Starcom etc as recommended on here is the most comprehensive and adaptable solution and needn't cost the earth if purchased off eBay. These have decent noise cancelling mics and varying levels of features depending on model/price-point. Paired with a decent PMR radio and a Press To Talk switch you can get decent results for around £120-£150 for 2nd hand kit if you bide your time.

If you have a Bluetooth set-up and it does what you need then great, for me the only downside with my Autocom is unplugging from the bike which is now 2nd nature and not exactly a hardship. Upsides include bike powered system so no battery charging or flat battery issues and the intercom is configured the way I want with different inputs having priorities that work in a way that the only thing I need to do is use the PTT switch for transmiting bike to bike, everything else is automatic; sat nav, MP3, phone and incoming PMR. I have real world bike to bike range of 1-2 miles depending on terrain, maybe down to 0.5 mile in heavy urban environments.

As the OP is wanting bike to bike only I can recommend the MaKay headset which plugs straight into the radio of your choice, you need to buy the appropriate adapter lead (CLAW). The open face version has a decent noise cancelling mic that works very well and can be used in most full face helmets. I bought one of these for friends to use and lent it one who subsequently gave me the cash on the spot as he wanted to keep it. He had previously used a cheaper non noise cancelling headset and the difference was stunning. I have yet to buy a replacement but won't hesitate to buy another from Wildtalk, both product and service are very good.
 
Scala Rider- No Brainer :)

I used the Scala Rider bike to bike system this year on my European Tour. I have to say it was the best system I've ever used and I'll be selling my Autocom this winter and buying one. The advantages I could see were:

  • Really easy to use - they automatically synched
  • Sound quality great up to 80 mph ish
  • Battery life excellent, they could go for two days between charges
  • Not being attached to the bike by wires was really good, especially at filling stations etc.

We used the wire connection to connect iPhones / iPods which was really simple and massively improved the sound quality over bluetooth connection from the Garmin Sat Nav

Down sides:

  • Range was not brilliant, in fact pretty much limited to line of sight
  • If the Sat Nav was bluetooth connected it took precedence and virtually shut down comms (I switched off the sat nav sound in the end)

I didn't use the pillion communication so I'm not sure whether they can be included in a three / fourway comms session.

We didn't use the built in radio either.

For a two man two bike trip it was absolutely bang on :thumb2
 


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