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What fooked at 20k? 40k? 60k or just fooked ?
What a load of old grease this thread is !
When did you last get your shaft out?
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What a load of old grease this thread is !
Depends when the grease ran out (if it did?) Are you suggesting we can run splines without grease?
With clutch/gearboxes etc on cars we are told not to grease splines because the crud sticks to it and it becomes a grinding paste. Is there anyone on here with instances of premature wear from normal use ? That would be my steer personally.
Is it recommended by the Fatherland to be greased?
To my knowledge it has no service schedule so I guess that would be no. And probably why it has none from the factory.
On the arm to bevel box connection you have sliding action as well as drive. It's imperative that these splines have grease....
I'll post a picture when I get home of one thats not had grease.... they wear out both male and female parts....
I'll post a picture when I get home of one thats not had grease.... they wear out both male and female parts....
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I'm suggesting that when its manufactured, like any other parts that are not on the maintenance schedule will be fine. You're worrying about an issue that doesn't exist.....
My 1150 splines would be fine just like any other splines.
I thought I would ask a dealer service dept for their opinion. The crux was that they have many bikes with 60k + with no real spline wear having never been touched to their knowledge. However for bikes that see water a lot (offroad etc) they thought it might not be a bad idea but once greased it would need fairly regular re greasing to prevent the grease accumulating dirt etc.
So basically either leave it alone and it's probably fine or grease it which is belt and braces as long as you re grease it on occasion. Ohh and don't use normal grease cos it flings too easily and is a waste of time. Recommended a white Moly grease from Castrol.
So basically either leave it alone and it's probably fine or grease it which is belt and braces as long as you re grease it on occasion. Ohh and don't use normal grease cos it flings too easily and is a waste of time. Recommended a white Moly grease from Castrol.
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Beaver wont like reading that. It'll ruin his spines exploding theory if you dont strip it and grease it - Chortle !
Hmmmm, Be back soon, I must strip my Hazard warning button and whap sum grease init.
Remind me, how long do chains and sprockets last?
And I suppose you don't need oil/grease these either ��
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Are you suggesting the maintenance is the same on a shaft to a chain ?
C'mon lads........
beaver, your last post confirmed the worst !
C'mon lads........
beaver, your last post confirmed the worst !
Not at all... But following your zero lube regieme, I'd assume you'd just dust it off or something.
But no, you carry on by all means doing what you do... And best of luck to you and your bike.
But for me, where I have two metal surfaces under load and sliding over each other, I'm going to lubricate them to stop wear..
Simples.
But no, you carry on by all means doing what you do... And best of luck to you and your bike.
But for me, where I have two metal surfaces under load and sliding over each other, I'm going to lubricate them to stop wear..
Simples.
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No is the answer.
I'll repeat myself for you.
However is comes out of the factory, and stated service schedule determines whether a part needs to be stripped down and lubricated.
Thats the shaft drive.
Your chain links needs to be individually split and cleaned, then greased, then reassembled. It doesn't say anywhere to do it. But if you dont, Your right rear view mirror will suddenly turn into a peppa pig. And no one wants that.
I'll repeat myself for you.
However is comes out of the factory, and stated service schedule determines whether a part needs to be stripped down and lubricated.
Thats the shaft drive.
Your chain links needs to be individually split and cleaned, then greased, then reassembled. It doesn't say anywhere to do it. But if you dont, Your right rear view mirror will suddenly turn into a peppa pig. And no one wants that.
you appear to be arguing with yourself now?... ''It doesn't say anywhere to do it. But if you dont'' & ''the service schedule determines whether a part needs to be stripped down''... so which way is it... do as the book says... or... don't do as the book says...
I'll repeat myself for you... running metal on metal surfaces that slide over each other WILL (I've put it in capitals for you) resul in wear... fact.
Have a look at these... can you tell me which end had grease, and which one didn't
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I get the arguments for greasing in some instances but one or a few persons problem doesn't equate to a general issue. If there are significant numbers of high mileage bikes with no wear issues without grease then that would indicate a particular problem with the few that do have an issue. That is likely to be more involved than lack of grease alone.
I'm open minded but I'm not one to do something unless there is enough evidence to suggest I should. I'm certainly not there yet.
I'm open minded but I'm not one to do something unless there is enough evidence to suggest I should. I'm certainly not there yet.
I'm sure the factory will put grease on there.. they must.. but maybe only a small amount (you don't need much!).. but where does it go? Mine were very dry hence the need to re-grease. But in theory, once the Moly has impregnated the surface, it will last and stay there for many thousands of miles.. and unless this is washed off / removed some how, it should last...
But as per the pic's above.. obviously it ran out and then you get metal to metal.. the front splines were fine as they maintained their grease I assume from factory.
I've worked in engineering all my life and we've tried PFA (PTFE) coatings on splines, TiN coating them, hard chrome, Nitriding and various other surface treatment to make them last... but have found that the best is a really high Moly grease well brished in on initial install.... Just because they look dry, does not mean they don't have lubrication there... but why risk it?
It's up to the individual.. but for one, I'd rather be safe than sorry
But as per the pic's above.. obviously it ran out and then you get metal to metal.. the front splines were fine as they maintained their grease I assume from factory.
I've worked in engineering all my life and we've tried PFA (PTFE) coatings on splines, TiN coating them, hard chrome, Nitriding and various other surface treatment to make them last... but have found that the best is a really high Moly grease well brished in on initial install.... Just because they look dry, does not mean they don't have lubrication there... but why risk it?
It's up to the individual.. but for one, I'd rather be safe than sorry
Did my 05 hexhead a couple of months ago, took just over an hour and that was the first time I'd done that job. Piece of cake and it gives you a good opportunity to inspect the bevel box input and see if there are any obvious issues developing. Shaft had surface rust but the splines were in good condition and had some grease left. Check for play in the UJ while you're in there.
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