Which satnav?? (Well the moderator told me to ask if I was unsure...)

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As some of the more regular/attentive of you may have noticed I recently got me a bike. This came with a garmin motorrad II which was hard wired into the bike.
Lovely I thought, great bike and a satnav to boot. Wrong.

Whilst the thing works, its a little, basic, is about the best way I can explain it.
I realise this is a 10 yr old satnav and maybe we forget how fast technology moves on but I find the UI to be somewhat unintuitive and it doesn't really do what I want it to, what I think it should do and I can't even guess what it about to do.
I have updated it with the mst up to date software etc but still no good for me...

so.....

I am considering ditching it and investing in a new(er) piece of kit.

At the moment I have no plans to use it any further than Europe, but that may change so I needs to be capable of further afield. I am pretty tech savvy, I couldn't program the latest app but I can get on with most comps/tablets, iPhone etc etc.

So any suggestions are very welcomed.

Thanks

DC
 
Sat Navs are just sooooo last century, the latest thing on the street is the human brain and maps.
 
Garmin 550. Basic but good.

Garmin 660. Very good.

BMW Nav V. Excellent.

The first two come up for sale on UKGSer quite regularly. The latter is a new product. If you are going to do a lot of trips and get a good load of use out if it, I'd head to the Nav V. Just occasional use, the 550. Inbetween, the 660.

They will all work outside of Europe, providing you have the correct maps installed either to the device or to a suitable separate SD card.
 
Sat Navs are just sooooo last century, the latest thing on the street is the human brain and maps.

In an earlier life I navigated to Ullan Bataar (if you know where that is) with maps so I am familiar with them and am sort of thinking, I will have a tent, bag, water etc etc, why do I need a satnav, but then when you go into a big town and want to get where your going without visiting every other back street en route, I kinda want to know I'm in safe hands.....

But thanks for the input anyway.....
 
Garmin 550. Basic but good.

Garmin 660. Very good.

BMW Nav V. Excellent.

The first two come up for sale on UKGSer quite regularly. The latter is a new product. If you are going to do a lot of trips and get a good load of use out if it, I'd head to the Nav V. Just occasional use, the 550. Inbetween, the 660.

They will all work outside of Europe, providing you have the correct maps installed either to the device or to a suitable separate SD card.

Thank you Wapping, a succinct and useful post, Amen..

DC
 
In an earlier life I navigated to Ullan Bataar (if you know where that is) with maps so I am familiar with them and am sort of thinking, I will have a tent, bag, water etc etc, why do I need a satnav, but then when you go into a big town and want to get where your going without visiting every other back street en route, I kinda want to know I'm in safe hands.....

But thanks for the input anyway.....

If they don't have maps for towns then how do they get them onto the sat nav?
 
Take a look at the Tom Tom rider

I used one last year in Europe
Route done via Tyre
it was very good

They tell me the latest version is even better
 
In an earlier life I navigated to Ullan Bataar (if you know where that is) with maps so I am familiar with them and am sort of thinking, I will have a tent, bag, water etc etc, why do I need a satnav, but then when you go into a big town and want to get where your going without visiting every other back street en route, I kinda want to know I'm in safe hands.....

But thanks for the input anyway.....

Touché, methinks. :thumb
 
I have the 550 and am more than pleased with it. As Wapping alluded to, bought 2nd hand from here. They come up regularly - just keep a close eye on offers.
 
Take a look at the Tom Tom rider
I used one last year in Europe
Route done via Tyre
it was very good
They tell me the latest version is even better

Changed my Garmins in the car and bikes for TomTom. Its not the most visually attractive unit maybe but the routing kicks garmin into touch. Ever used a Garmin on a route you know but maybe not like the back of your hand but thought wtf is it doing? Not so with TomTom.
The main gripe for me was the downloading hassles and problems like not unlocking maps after an update and the ensuing calls to Garmin. Yada yada...

TomTom updates every time you connect to your computer and you can use updates from the guys out there who have reported changes rather than only the official TomTom stuff. Looking forward to going abroad with it as all the mapping is inbuilt. No sd cards and no chance of missing a tiny tile off a map that leaves you with a blank screen in Como... Um.
 
I've had a Zumo 550 and currently a Zumo 660. Both have been excellent. Once you get to grips with how it works and how to work the routing software they're a breeze.
 
Depends what you want to do with it really: Plug in and go then get a TomTom, Ultimate control and flexibility get a Garmin.

I'll expand on the above statement:

It used to be the case that the TomTom had the better user interface, however Garmin have played catch-up. I have two Garmin units, a Zumo 660 and a Nuvi 765 plus a TomTom Go 730. There are positives and negatives to both in respect of the UI. Whist the TT Go 730 isn't a Rider there are many family similarities.

The direct routing on both is comparable, though I haven't had the TomTom very long. Those that say that their Garmin does some very odd things need to look at what avoidances are set. The Zumo 660 comes out of the box set-up with a few and the selection of driving profiles adds to this confusion. Trying two different standard routes (just A to B) between the brands (using the models I own) and the Garmin, for me, provides a route that I would be more likely to take. The TomTom seems to favour back lanes marginally more, this is with both on the fastest route setting. Obviously the TT Rider has the Winding Roads feature specifically for bikers. In principal it sounds good though you are still at the mercy of the TomTom written algorithm that dictates what route you'll take. For just heading off into the unknown I would mark that as a point in the TomTom Rider's favour. I would be interested to hear how effective this is.

Personally I want to be able to use my sat nav in two ways: 1/ just get me from where I am now to where I need to be with least fuss and as quickly as possible, 2/ let me plot a detailed route on my PC, maximising my ability to research where I'm going and where I'll be visiting. Then transfer this to the GPS and it follow this route. Here, to my mind the Garmin scores as it has it's own dedicated route plotting software in the form of Mapsource. Yes, there are third party solutions for TomTom but these rely on Google Maps API for mapping and route preview, your TomTom uses different mapping and different algorithms to interpret the parts of the route between any way-points. Usually this isn't an issue, especially if you add sufficient via-points. TYRE and ITN Converter are the main contenders for TomTom Google based route plotting and these provide a somewhat more simplified interface than Basecamp but at the same time capable of less. Hence Basecamp does take some persistence to master, once you've done so though it will be a more powerful tool.

Basecamp has a degree of Google Earth integration which can be very useful for research purposes. ITN Converter also has Google Street View. Both TYRE and ITN Converter can also be used for Garmin route plotting. I use the latter quite regularly as it has the ability to display Michelin maps (useful for those green edged roads).

If you miss a via-point with a pre defined route on a TomTom it will continue to insist on you turning around and revisiting that point unless you stop and manually mark it as visited. Garmins will try and prompt you a few times and then assume that what you're doing is intentional so continue with the route from where you are currently. Again this is where Garmin and Basecamp can score again as there are several types of points that can be used along your route; aside from start and end there's way-points (an actual place to visit such as a hotel, restaurant, city centre or a user created one), routing node (points that you've added to the route to influence it's course to follow the roads you want to travel) and invisible nodes (points that Basecamp adds unseen along your defined route). The first will, quite rightly, not be ignored. For the 2nd a few attempts will be made to try an get you to route though, or pass in close proximity to, them. The last remain unseen and be ignored if not visited.

The Garmin can take open source third party mapping data in the form of OpenStreetMaps, this is detailed and up to date. Lacks a few bells and whistles of the Garmin data but for core navigation functionality I must say that it's pretty good. Ideal if you're somewhere outside of the area covered by your mapping, i.e. on holiday. Coverage across the globe is pretty good as well, covering some areas that Garmin, and TomTom, don't.

Whilst it's possible, with some compromise in terms of weatherproofing etc, to use cheaper car sat navs from both manufacturers on a bike, be aware that not all will do routes that you can define more than the start (where you are currently) and the end point. For recreational bike use the ability to plot a convoluted route, usually on your PC, is IMHO essential.

As they say, the decision is yours...
 
Thanks Bumpkin and others.

The trouble is, I'm not really sure what I want to do with it.
I suppose the usual, but never had any real experience of plotting routes, choosing waypoints and or in fact intentionally going off the beaten track to see something in particular.

Thinking I will keep an eye on the for sale forum and grab the first one which comes up at a reasonable price and go from there.

Thanks all for the input really useful.

DC
 
Zumo 660's come up regularley and are dropping in price now, so why not go for one of those, that way should you decide to have a tinker around with some of the more customisable Garmin features at a later date, you can do.

Once the flood's open on WC 1200 Adventures, they will all go for Nav 5's so could be some rich pickings on the used 660 / Nav 4 front :)
 
Another alternative, if you already have an iPhone or Android smart-phone phone, is CoPilot GPS (not CoPilot Live, that requires a data connection which makes it expensive abroad). This can, with something of a fiddle (even more so with an iPhone), be made to follow routes prepared using the above mentioned TYRE or ITN Converter. With an Ultimate AddOns case for your phone and a suitable mount plus a means to power it you're up and away for less than £100.

Here's a link to the Android full European version (£35)

Something of a compromise but not by much when you consider the saving.
 
I believe the 660 / Nav IV will fit the cradle & charge. The 660 won't connect to the handlebar wheel but I think the Nav IV will.

That is correct. Nav V, Nav IV, 660 and 550 all fit and charge in the 2013/14 GS cradle. However, the remote control wheel only works with the Nav IV and Nav V.

Plus, with the Nav V you get a better intergration of the bike's functions, data from which is downloaded to and displayed on the screen of the Nav V

In my opinion, the Nav V is a definite step up from the Iv, 660 and 550
 
Another alternative, if you already have an iPhone or Android smart-phone phone, is CoPilot GPS (not CoPilot Live, that requires a data connection which makes it expensive abroad). This can, with something of a fiddle (even more so with an iPhone), be made to follow routes prepared using the above mentioned TYRE or ITN Converter. With an Ultimate AddOns case for your phone and a suitable mount plus a means to power it you're up and away for less than £100.

Here's a link to the Android full European version (£35)

Something of a compromise but not by much when you consider the saving.

hi bumpkin

do you know if you can update these maps after you have bought them?

cheers

pj
 


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