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Jail for pair's 'brutal' attack on campervan holiday couple
CONOR LALLY, Crime Correspondent

Sat, Nov 29, 2008

TWO MEN have been jailed for an attack in which an English couple were severely assaulted before their campervan was stolen and burned out just hours after they had arrived in Ireland for a holiday.

The Lincolnshire couple, James Fordyce (61) and his wife Kath (56), were beaten by the men, who were armed with a machete.

Ms Fordyce suffered a fractured skull and broken ribs while her husband sustained a broken leg and required plastic surgery for a number of other wounds.

Sentencing the men yesterday at Newry Crown Court, Judge Randal McKay QC described the attack as "vicious and brutal".

At the time of the incident in June of last year, the then minister for foreign affairs Dermot Ahern expressed concern the matter was so serious he feared it might damage tourism in the area.

It took place in a layby at a former Customs post at 4am on June 11th, 2007 just south of the Border and just inside Mr Ahern's Louth constituency.

Mr Ahern described the attack as "savage and mindless".

"How anyone could carry out such a senseless act on a middle-aged couple is beyond me," he said at the time.

He added the attack bore all the hallmarks of other carjackings at the time in which the crime was committed one side of the Border with the perpetrators immediately fleeing to the other side of the Border.

The couple were taken to Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in Drogheda after their ordeal.

They lost all of their belongings in the attack.

The men jailed yesterday were Elias Boswell (21) of no fixed abode and Patrick Mongan, White Rise, Dunmurry, outside Belfast.

Both men pleaded guilty to wounding and inflicting grievous bodily harm with intent, and also to hijacking and setting fire to their Fiat campervan.

Boswell pleaded guilty to further charges of dangerous driving, failing to provide a specimen and having no insurance while Mongan also pleaded guilty to four counts of assaulting police.

Boswell was jailed for 7½ years while Mongan was jailed for nine years.

The court heard that the couple, from Skegness in Lincolnshire, had travelled to Northern Ireland from Scotland on a week's holiday and had parked in a layby, just over the Border in Co Louth.

Prosecuting QC Liam McCollum said the couple were woken from their sleep in the early hours by "banging and shouting".

When Mr Fordyce opened the door, he was attacked with a machete before he and his wife were "slung out" from the campervan.

Ms Fordyce was punched to the ground, said Mr McCollum, where she was kicked about the head and ribs and both she and her husband were knocked unconscious.

When they awoke they found their campervan had been stolen.

It was later found burned out on the Drumintee Road in Meigh, south Armagh.

Boswell and Mongan were arrested at a police checkpoint driving a Volkswagen Passat.

The men drove through the checkpoint and then assaulted four members of the PSNI as they tried to arrest them.

Defence lawyers for the two men said both were remorseful and regretted their actions and that each of their respective families had managed to scrape together £10,000 to give to the Fordyces by way of apology and compensation.

Handing down the jail terms after the pair agreed to spend a further two years each on probation, Judge McKay told them they had pleaded guilty to "dreadful offences" but he added that he believed probation had a role to play.

© 2008 The Irish Times
 
If it had been a couple of dogs that had attacked these unfortunate people, no doubt the dogs would have been put down, a shame the same can't apply to those mindless two feckers who attacked them.
 
If it had been a couple of dogs that had attacked these unfortunate people, no doubt the dogs would have been put down, a shame the same can't apply to those mindless two feckers who attacked them.
Couldn't have put it better, sentence was far too lenient, a length of rope would have been cheaper.
 
Not a time for simple answers or remedies
One of the tests of a civilised society is how it treats criminals
What they did was not civilised
A few years in jail gives them time to reflect on that
Will they come out civilised
Probably not
To hang em high or whatever merely brings us all down to their level
I don't want to go down there :soapbox:
 
Not a time for simple answers or remedies

Scum never re-offend when the "simple remedy" has been applied. :rolleyes:

I don't think it's a reflection of how civilized a society is, it's purely a reflection of the judicial system and the judiciary go to lengths to not reflect the opinions of the masses.

"Hang 'em all and let God sort them out."
 
Unfortunately, depriving someone of their liberty no longer seems to be an adequate deterrent. I think we are in bad shape.

Chain-gang anyone ? Earn their freedom through hard work?
 
Not a time for simple answers or remedies
One of the tests of a civilised society is how it treats criminals
What they did was not civilised
A few years in jail gives them time to reflect on that
Will they come out civilised
Probably not
To hang em high or whatever merely brings us all down to their level
I don't want to go down there :soapbox:

I just pray you and your family never become a victim from some of the scum let out through light sentencing or none at all.
Though perhaps then you'll be dragged into the real world.
 
Chain-gang anyone ? Earn their freedom through hard work?

Not sure a chain gang is the solution but definitely earning their freedom....but constructively, a trade or qualifications so that then when they get out they have no excuse to re-offend as they will have the qualifications to get a job and therefore a life of crime and criminal behaviour is then to be punished severely..after that the punishment should be extreme...

Criminals are being giving to many lenient sentences and it seems prisons are no deterrent... so it definitely needs a rethink..

an island or pay an African country to take them...
 
I have often tried to stir the pot about here but was not doing so on this one.
First I recall the event and if I caught them at it and had a weapon they would not now be going to jail; that would have been the consequence of (justifiable?) anger but would it be right?
This is based on the fact that I an a Christian humanist; I have a lot of time for Jesus Christ as a practical philosopher but do not believe in God or the church stuff (having grown up not far south of a border where being the wrong kind of church Christian was sufficient to have you murdered).
J C suggested that it's about forgiveness and about love of your neighbour; yes the bo**ox who posts next (sorry who lives next door).
That ain't easy and when it comes to scum bags it gets tougher still.
Perhaps it's out of context but recall Oscar Schindler trying to persuade Amon about the power of forgiveness in that movie.

7 1/2 years in jail is a long time for a 21 year old and I'm OK with that given the unprovoked attack on two people minding their business.
Are you guys looking for Sharia law?

To answer a direct question - I have not been harmed by anyone let out of jail or some one who was "known to the Gardai" (as the saying goes) but not in jail. When/if that happens to me or mine my beliefs will be truly tested.
I presume the questioner has been so assailed and in such a position my reaction might be similar.

I ain't perfect - Limerick is the closest city to me and I was not bothered by the scum bags there wasting each other but was and am appalled about Shane Geoghegan's murder. When the scum bags are caught I don't wish them shot or hung - a long jail sentence at the taxpayer's (my) expense will do.

I don't wish perfection but do Hope I don't meet ye as sentencing judges in whatever circumstance but hell I forgive you.
 
What would I do?

Always a difficult one this but I think I am with Gerry. If you start down the revenge road when will it stop? Also I don't think I could throw the switch, drop the trapdoor, pull the trigger etc. and therefore I don't think I could ask someone to do it it my name...sorry if this isn't coherent...
 
Sorry lads, I am not looking for revenge.

I believe our system of punishment looks for 3 things:

Deterrent, Repayment of debt to society, Reformation of the character.

Open to correction on this, of course.

I am not being cynical and have big time for the views expressed regarding forgiveness, but our society is being over-run by the baddies, imho.

Near my mother, an 85 y.o. had her house burgled while she was in bed, She did not know it was happening, but she died soon after, and stress is blamed. Near my house, 3 doors away, a guy broke in while the lady occupant was out walking her dog - she is filled with fear.

Punishment alone does not solve this, but God help us if we don't get tough on the ones who do get caught.
 
Sorry lads...........................Punishment alone does not solve this, but God help us if we don't get tough on the ones who do get caught.

And there's the bother.
Capital punishment has not made the USof A safer.
The feckers don't believe (assuming them rational - a big ask!) they'll get caught.

I have worked in hospital labs (Microbiology) since 1972. Hospitals were clean then. The lady came in after hours to clean the lab. She was part of the regular crew; you knew her and she did the corridors also - so you picked up the litter to give her a leg up. In return she made good fresh tea (vital when on call at night) and her son was a jockey - so good tips on the horses followed. In any event if matron caught you walking over litter................:eek:
Time moved on and the cleaning was contracted out. No tea or tips - no real harm there. The killer blow is that litter was now someone else's bother - not ours. We got used to not noticing it.
Whats this to do with crime.
If detection is just the cops problem we are up to our necks in more than litter.
A small (true) story. The milk bottles outside the folks house used to get smashed occasionally,in or about 1970 (rural County Meath). Not serious stuff for the law but a pattern emerged. The Da and myself stayed up till 1am one morning as the suspect had cycled past at about 9.30 pm. We were rewarded with the sound of breaking glass. I had the Hohda 50 aimed and ready and off we set after the now retreating cyclist. Yeehaw we got us a posse I pulled alongside him as the Da heaved him into the hedge and "interviewed" him (no videos then - sorry). No more broken bottles. The offender did publicly threaten to "do me" but failed to follow through. That's not why I live 200 mile away in Kerry now.
Crime is everyone's business and you nip it in the bud.
For evil to triumph it is sufficient that good people do nothing.
Am I making myself clear. :soapbox:
 
sods eh, how rude of them to misbehave!!

why not send them to Porton Down so they can be experimented on, then we will ALL benefit from Government research. And pay for my GS8 at the same time, see, everybody wins!!!! (IT NEVER DID ME ANY HARM BIMBLE BIMBLE BIBBLE BIBBLE DROOL):beerjug:
 
:Motomartin

Knowing the gene pool that they've crawled out from, prison will have no effect on them.
Possibly a dam good 'birching' would do the trick.
What do you think.
 


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