would 14 quid break your camels back ???

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Tims a Master Baiter, he's teaching me how to fish :thumb

Shep
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Just stating my ownership experience.................my 1100/1150's weren't faultless, but they were reasonably reliable

Not saying the 1200GS is a bad bike....................it handles well, is lighter and is faster than any GS that's gone before it.

No 1100/1150 GS will keep a 1200GS in sight, when ridden by an accomplished rider

Not saying I'd never have a 1200GS, but at present it's not likely.

In fact I've gone the other way and spent up, on an Airhead GS over a HP2

Probably it won't be reliable either, but at least a lot of the work on an Airhead can be done with an average mechanic, using a workshop manual
 
i'm thinking there are more 1100/1150s on this site than 1200s, yet we seem to (subjective?) hear far more problems with them than the older bikes.
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thats true cookie but I think its because a lot of the 1200's perceived problems are from new owners who are'nt experienced with a GS. 1100 and 1150 riders generally have learnt the foibles of their bikes and just deal with any problems,or, more likely minor annoyances.

Look at some of the posts steptoe answers about 1100's and 1150's. tweak this, tweak that, kick this, kick that and its ok again. (sorry steptoe gross over simplification)

Its not disimilar with the 1200, mine was running like a diesel a couple of months ago
answer = search, tweak, kick, job done.

what I think is interesting is that the folks that have swapped from a 1100/1150 to a 1200 dont seem to have any trouble.......generally. Or is it that they know the BM foibles and just kick the b*stard in the right place if it gives them lip.

all good stuff anyway and certainly makes for a lively board :thumb
 
redcastle said:
thats true cookie but I think its because a lot of the 1200's perceived problems are from new owners who are'nt experienced with a GS. 1100 and 1150 riders generally have learnt the foibles of their bikes and just deal with any problems,or, more likely minor annoyances.

Look at some of the posts steptoe answers about 1100's and 1150's. tweak this, tweak that, kick this, kick that and its ok again. (sorry steptoe gross over simplification)

Its not disimilar with the 1200, mine was running like a diesel a couple of months ago
answer = search, tweak, kick, job done.

what I think is interesting is that the folks that have swapped from a 1100/1150 to a 1200 dont seem to have any trouble.......generally. Or is it that they know the BM foibles and just kick the b*stard in the right place if it gives them lip.

all good stuff anyway and certainly makes for a lively board :thumb
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interesting theory, and you might be right, but i suspect that tweaking the new bikes electrical system is going to need the bmw equivilent of VAG-COM . if & when such a thing is available i might even consider a 12 myself.
 
These arguments about reliability are always a waste of time -none of us have any real statistics, and even if my 1200 was 100% rerliable and the dealers says the 1150 was not (both of which are true) it means nothing much. Nor do the moans on this forum - what about the 20000 other owners who never post?

But the real puzzle to me is this BMW "reputation for reliability". It might have existed in the days of the R 26 etc but since the intro of the R80 and R100 (and the move from Berlin) it certainly has not. If we had the stats, my guess would be that BMW bikes are about as reliable as Hinckley, much more so that the Italians but nowhere near the Japs.

Minbd you when they were really reliable, they used to cost something like twice the price of mass market equivalents. They dont do that now.

P.S. Irrelevant fact - the first adventure / giant trailiie bike was a Triumph. And it did the first round the world trip too.
 
The ONLY thing that would make me change my 1100 is the handling.
Its plenty fast enough, comfortable and looks cool.
A guy stopped at the lights yesterday and said he thought it looked 'fantastic' - and he owned an 04 12. !

A 12 handles a lot better around a twisty set of roads - but i mean pushing it - not bimbling.

My mate on his zxr636kwaka is much faster through corners - mine is twitchy and nervous in comparison. - ( but the tyres are 3/4 worn )

I'm going to put a new rear shock and a pair of tyres on it very soon - at the same time hopefully.
 
Dahoum said:
He wasnt talking about the initial recovery. They 'recover' you from home if necessary and would recover you 1 mile from a dealer, presumably.

He was talking about getting the bike delivered back to him after the repair. MBW assist dont do that if you are less than 35 miles from the dealer. Thats what they told me anyway.
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I suspect there's a lot of heresay and supposition going on here on the part of some of UKGSER community and also ill informed BMW Assist representatives. I've got the small print somewhere for BMW Motorrad Assist, will have a read of it....I guess we should understand whats covered, and whats not...
 
intresting -
incidently i had the 1150 before and sold just after youn and charlie did their thing ..thanks guys [must have killed afew wannabe offroaders though ] but dove the price up :) any way the guy came down from london paid cash he was only 5.6" when hew backed out of the drive he got stuck ..you know that bit where the fronts on the pavement and the rears on the raised bit of the road camber ...icould see he was struggling but i was too far away
..he decided to go up on the pavement beforre he overbalenced a ...hit me old car and knocked the pannier off ...told you i was unlucky with beamers
i gave hime a couple of bungee hooks gratis
within three months the servos had packed in out of warranty ..and were replaced 850quid gratis be his local dealer :) ...thats not bad is it ..then again its not good either :rolleyes:

i think that the problem is nearly all the dealer interaction has been over breakdown issues and there getting pissed off with it [not the only one there then ] :o

in my defence i have never complained to a dealer or private seller in 35 years about anything ..is thre a pattern developing here ?

i dont do cars ...15 year old escort [ car not girl } so i can indulge in my lifelong passion ...if the bikes not in the garage when the lights go on im gutted wait two months for the replacement...my choice to get the new reg ...but its not so easy when you ride every week and do instruction on a part time basis

so after all this incoviniace and hassle i got the new one running just how i like it 5700 miles ok so lets go with this seems fine over the last months ive spent hours and hours for suspension one up and then two up testing and messing all the tiime
committ to full remus[had the end can already seems to clear that 5thou stutter } cee baileys tobinators my own amended laminer lip 15 hours to get the screen how i like it brand new pilots cos the deathwings are not up to the job when pushed ie scrap the font tyre my own video mounting points inter com bike to bike ..ptt ..map holder bracket toll money holder drinks bottle doobery ..hours and hours of thinking how to improve this that ..the other
i have spent days getting this bike to how i like it moneys bad enoughbut the time the care the headscrathing and thought that goes in to my bike the way i want it should not be underestamated .. you all know what im talking about im sure ..id just s spent £554 quid one week before on improvements to my beloved steed .. i get really involved ...
i keep going out and thinking its getting there the grip the noise the screen the suspension its really close .........what can i do next ???
replacing a bike is easy on paper but its not so easy to replace the hundreds yes hundreds of hours you put in to personalise and improve your own machine ..hardly a day goes by when im not thinking of somthing to do with it /to it :bow
then within three days yours stranded in the pissing down blah blah blah
:spitfire
dont they realise after all that you have to pay to collect the fxxx thing
how annoying that could be ???? :nono
i dont really give a flying toss about the 14 quid :nenau
its the principle of the thing 2nd to only religion when it comes to wars i belive

so here i go again

please god the next posting is 50k and all is well or i might be opening a vein ..good thing too some may say ??

thanks for your views rergards steve :thumb
 

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Paul Wakefield said:
The point I was trying to make was that NOG are finding the recent production pretty reliable.
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And whats it got to do with the Norton Owners Group :nenau
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timolgra said:
And whats it got to do with the Norton Owners Group :nenau
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world experts on motorcycle unreliability.



bmw seems to be making up ground fast though :D
 
motomartin said:
The ONLY thing that would make me change my 1100 is the handling.
Its plenty fast enough, comfortable and looks cool.
A guy stopped at the lights yesterday and said he thought it looked 'fantastic' - and he owned an 04 12. !

A 12 handles a lot better around a twisty set of roads - but i mean pushing it - not bimbling.

My mate on his zxr636kwaka is much faster through corners - mine is twitchy and nervous in comparison. - ( but the tyres are 3/4 worn )

I'm going to put a new rear shock and a pair of tyres on it very soon - at the same time hopefully.
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With all my bikes (except the GS) I have spent money on sorting the handling and braking first. You rarely ride with more than about 30% of the bikes full power output so more horses are not as important as handling and stopping.

I bet a new shock and tyres will completely transform the old girl Phil. Money well spent. :thumb
 
Pukmeister said:
I bet a new shock and tyres will completely transform the old girl Phil. Money well spent. :thumb
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But he never gets time to ride it, I've heard he spends most of his time watching Cilla Black on Rolf Harris's TV program :rolleyes: ;)
 
bet a new shock and tyres will completely transform the old girl

Are we talking Cilla ?? :nenau

Tim - its feckin pitch black here - why would i possibly be out on the bike when Cilla's on the box :eek :eek :eek :bounce1 :bounce1 :bounce1 :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
minkyhead said:
is it me am i unreasonable my ist gs had three breakdowns clutch seal failure
one fail to start ...two major breakdowns involving throttle and brake failures resulting having lost confidence if it and paying the difference on a replacement all be it discounted after 9 months .... thats 1400 quid please

new one failed again friday night stranded i the pissing down rain 7pm needless to say we were going out that night
but hey i love standing in the middle o skelmerdale in the pissing rain instead drinking beer with our freinds
breakdown man didnt get the call until 8.50 and recovered the bike at 9.45
he said quote[ i was going to get one of those when they first came out but ive picked to many up its not the brakes is it???}

on saturday it was taken to dealer and traced to another fuel pump full of water "someones put the seal in wrong " i was told ???
well as we all know the first thing we do on a brand new bike is to replace the fuel pump housing seal standard stuff for most people

i had no lift available to pick it up the dealers to busy to help im not entitlled to have it delivered back cos i live too near [10 miles approx ]

options get a taxi pay for it ...leave the bike till you can get a lift

option taken taxi 14pounds
ask at dealers any chance o the fare give all the above ..no but told to ring bmw customer relations ... :eek
i think the dealer are pissed off with my whinging ..im pissed off at going there asking this that and the other but hey is ony two bikes four breakdowns one at home ,one yorkshire and one in, bedford one in dear old lancashire...... and 13grand in 18 months sorry ...1314.00 in eighteen months
would the 14 quid break your camels back ???

in 35 years ive only broken down once before and thats cos the chain snapped its good whenits running but ive been very lucky ive not been abroad
yours totally pissed off :(

steve
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HOW QUICKLY THINGS CHANGE

This is your quote when you changed your bike :rolleyes:
At the time it was heavily discounted and you were treated well.
Why are you not happy now?

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compromise reached dealer has bought back my gs and we reached a heavily discounted figure to get a new one on march 1st .. so heres hoping things go well from here ..
im glad to say i have been treated well and am happy with the deal i have
see you all in march
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