XT2 or Tread2 or DMDS?

[PitaNaanRoti]

So, with still having the ongoing rebooting issues with the 700i and 750i Garmin have offered us the option of a free swap to the XT2 on both devices.
The InReach side of things they will sort once knowing if we accept the XT2 swap.
Now knowing the XT/XT2 still has the RUT/reshaping issues, etc I'm loathe to go down that route.
The Tread doesn't seem to suffer in the same way with this that I can see as it is more off-road oriented which is the entire reason we run the 700/750i's. They live on the Enduro's. We have XT's on the GS's which have behaved fine, also run Friezekarte and OS maps, will happily follow .gpx's without changing them, etc. So having a pair of XT2's seems daft.
They haven't offered the 710/760i strangely. Whilst they are probably too new atm to be in widespread use - there doesn't seem to be reports of them suffering the rebooting issue of the 700/750. Although they are billed as being the same platform - there are enough differences to believe they are not.
The original offer of a refund is also still on the table which along with the costs of the powered mounts, etc would pay for T665 and controllers/dongle or the T865x, etc.
Absolute PITA at the moment not being able to rely on the devices. 5 shutdowns on the 750i in a 50 mile loop yesterday alone.

 

[Wapping]

Given a choice, for ‘on road’ use, I’d go for an XT over an XT2. But, that is based only on what I’ve read here. I have also read on these pages that the world is flat, our every waking moment is controlled by ‘Them’ and that the only roads to ride in France are D roads….. but only those with a single digit number.

 

[PitaNaanRoti]

Given a choice, for ‘on road’ use, I’d go for an XT over an XT2. But, that is based only on what I’ve read here. I have also read on these pages that the world is flat, our every waking moment is controlled by ‘Them’ and that the only roads to ride in France are D roads….. but only those with a single digit number.

I don’t want it for ‘on road’ though.
Already have 2x XT’s on the GS’s.
The 700i’s live on the enduro bikes. (750i was shipped to me in December when they stopped the 700i to replace my original one).
I would not trust the XT mount to hold an XT2 without an extra layer like a Touratech.
The 700i cradles have been solid other than one failure last week on the power supply side.

 

[wilbjr21]

Given a choice, for ‘on road’ use, I’d go for an XT over an XT2. But, that is based only on what I’ve read here. I have also read on these pages that the world is flat, our every waking moment is controlled by ‘Them’ and that the only roads to ride in France are D roads….. but only those with a single digit number.

I would agree with that.

I have both and the associated Tread app and Explore will destroy your carefully planned routes with it's constant synching and messing about.

The only way to transfer a route from MRA is to xfer using your computer to the SD card or to buy an SD card reader/writer for your phone in order to use the mobile MRA app.

This doesn't happen on on the using the Drive app as only tracks are transferred from Explore and it doesn't mess with your routes.

The routes can be transferred from the MRA mobile app using Bluetooth connection to the Zumo XT and it works really well.

 

[Wapping]

Have you ruled out a tablet or similar?

 

[wilbjr21]

I don’t want it for ‘on road’ though.
Already have 2x XT’s on the GS’s.
The 700i’s live on the enduro bikes. (750i was shipped to me in December when they stopped the 700i to replace my original one).
I would not trust the XT mount to hold an XT2 without an extra layer like a Touratech.
The 700i cradles have been solid other than one failure last week on the power supply side.

There doesn't seem to be any difference between the two for using off road.

A 64 GB SD card will store the whole of Europe OSM maps and these are better than the Garmin ones for off road and displaying your track.

I looked at the Garmin Tread and the Ordinance Survey maps for the UK and Europe are very expensive.

Berin is pretty good at this sort of thing - he has helped me with good advice.

 

[Mad Hatter]

I faced the same decision earlier this year when my Montana 600 finally died. I asked Rade Garage for their advice on DMD versus Tread and this is what they told me (see below). Like you I was worried about the garmin Tread mount, Based on the advice given I ended up buying the Tread Overland which I’ve mounted to a Rade Garage nav tower on my EXC. I haven’t used in it anger yet but I’ve found it more complex to use than my old 600 and my still working OK 750i.

1. Garmin Tread Overland has a silent block inside the Garmin holder. I have tested the Garmin Tread Overland on many rally likes events and I have around 200hour of navigation on the Garmin and no problem with the vibration. Garmin had made a really great holder for the device.
2. Carpe Iter doesn't come with the DMD2 app any more. You can download it and install it but you must pay for the license which is about 150EUR extra - 127EUR for the maps, 12EUR for the roadbook and 8EUR for the OBD
3. The DMD has its own tablet https://www.radegarage.com/product/dmd-tablet/ which is quite nice and DMD license is in the price of the tablet.

I am now in process of changing from the Garmin to the DMD tablet but there are still few things I don't like so I am thinking that I will stay with the Garmin because I can install the DMD app to the Garmin Tread Overland if I need it.

 

[PitaNaanRoti]

Have you ruled out a tablet or similar?

No, that’s why DMD2 is up at the top with the T665/865 as options.
Appreciate the replies but it seems not one has actually read the original post properly

 

[PitaNaanRoti]

I faced the same decision earlier this year when my Montana 600 finally died. I asked Rade Garage for their advice on DMD versus Tread and this is what they told me (see below). Like you I was worried about the garmin Tread mount, Based on the advice given I ended up buying the Tread Overland which I’ve mounted to a Rade Garage nav tower on my EXC. I haven’t used in it anger yet but I’ve found it more complex to use than my old 600 and my still working OK 750i.

You’re lucky and in the minority if your 750i is working ok. Whilst Garmin insists that we’re unusual in having repetitive issues - the forums and owners pages, including their own say otherwise.
You can only install DMD2 to the 8&10” version of the Tread in case you weren’t aware.
It’s not the vibration I’m bothered about.
Whilst I have the R/G tower for my 500, 90% of the time it’s in standard mode and the device is in direct line of everything the Welsh lanes will throw at it. The 700(and previous )series mounts physically clamp the device and lock with a screw.

 

[Mad Hatter]

You’re lucky and in the minority if your 750i is working ok. Whilst Garmin insists that we’re unusual in having repetitive issues - the forums and owners pages, including their own say otherwise.
You can only install DMD2 to the 8&10” version of the Tread in case you weren’t aware.
It’s not the vibration I’m bothered about.
Whilst I have the R/G tower for my 500, 90% of the time it’s in standard mode and the device is in direct line of everything the Welsh lanes will throw at it. The 700(and previous )series mounts physically clamp the device and lock with a screw.

I got the 8” version which is pretty big but it fits nicely behind the Rade screen and I mounted it on a plate that attached to the Rade garage tower with very soft silent blocks. I agree with you regarding the old Montana mount with the security bolt. Never had one let go of the GPS despite some serious abuse

 

[PitaNaanRoti]

I got the 8” version which is pretty big but it fits nicely behind the Rade screen and I mounted it on a plate that attached to the Rade garage tower with very soft silent blocks. I agree with you regarding the old Montana mount with the security bolt. Never had one let go of the GPS despite some serious abuse

The abuse the claw mount will take is incredible.
I’ve run the Samsung Active tab on the R/G tower with DMD2 already.
My question is about the offer Garmin have put in writing Friday about a swap FOC to the XT2 from the 700i & 750i we have.
Personally whilst I’ve seen them in the flesh, I’m not sure they fit with our usage which is almost exclusively green lane/mountains.
The Tread 2 is designed for that more BUT uses the same architecture and mount as the XT2. So we’d need to figure in a Touratech mount or similar in reality to ensure it’s suitably mounted.
They oddly have not offered us the 710i or 760i which leads me to believe they are either dumping stock of XT2 with the rumours of its replacement currently or they are suffering the same problems as the 700/750i.

 

[GrinningGSer]

Given a choice, for ‘on road’ use, I’d go for an XT over an XT2. But, that is based only on what I’ve read here. I have also read on these pages that the world is flat, our every waking moment is controlled by ‘Them’ and that the only roads to ride in France are D roads….. but only those with a single digit number.

You would hate the random mystical order that XT stores routes . XT2 is wonderfully alphabetical . Do enlighten me if you have a fix , because I’ve been unable to help my biker mates with their XT’s .
( I’ve tried the ChatGPT suggestion of editing and renaming , which was not successful . I have not tried exporting to Basecamp , sorting and sending back )

 

[wilbjr21]

You would hate the random mystical order that XT stores routes . XT2 is wonderfully alphabetical . Do enlighten me if you have a fix , because I’ve been unable to help my biker mates with their XT’s .
( I’ve tried the ChatGPT suggestion of editing and renaming , which was not successful . I have not tried exporting to Basecamp , sorting and sending back )

It's based on the distance from where you are in ascending order - shite

 

[Wapping]

You don’t like the XT / XT2, other than for road use and / or you already have the devices.

You want off-road capability / reliability.

As I see it:

A. You accept Garmin’s offer and flog the device you receive, putting the money towards a device that suits you.

B. You tell Garmin to go do one and come up with something better by way of an offer.

 

[PitaNaanRoti]

FML Wapping.
I haven’t said I don’t like the XT/XT2.
I’ve said I already have two so can’t see the point of the XT2 for the intended use. I don’t see it as a replacement for the 700/750i. The two devices are not comparable in my opinion.
I also think that the offer stems from them having loads in a warehouse with its replacement coming up soon. Plus I think the 710/760i could well be having the same issues otherwise why not just offer that as it’s a direct replacement.

 

[Wapping]

Looks like you are talking to Garmin about a better offer then.

 

[Pepsi]

A few years ago I bought the 700i and it suffered repeated inexplicable shutdowns. Garmin denied any knowledge of the issue, I had documented evidence that they did know of it as they’d been liaising with one of their authorised distributors and had been receiving returns from that authorised dealer for quite a while. I told them so, they then refunded me on the 700i.
Late last year I think it was, I bought a 750i hoping they’d resolved the issue, they hadn’t and within two days of purchase I sent the unit back and received a refund.
The Montanas are shite.

 

[PitaNaanRoti]

A few years ago I bought the 700i and it suffered repeated inexplicable shutdowns. Garmin denied any knowledge of the issue, I had documented evidence that they did know of it as they’d been liaising with one of their authorised distributors and had been receiving returns from that authorised dealer for quite a while. I told them so, they then refunded me on the 700i.
Late last year I think it was, I bought a 750i hoping they’d resolved the issue, they hadn’t and within two days of purchase I sent the unit back and received a refund.
The Montanas are shite.

It’s not the device.
It’s a known issue with a firmware/software conflict and the packet sizes.
Because they have failed to update the processors they now can’t cope with the packet sizes in the latest software.
The firmware tries to reconfigure them and that causes one of the issues.
Garmin UK deny it but Garmin US and D have admitted it.
A user on the German side of the Garmin forum is a dev and broke it all down to discover it.
Waiting for their upper tier to come back to me about my reply to their offer.
If the latest devices are not considerably changed internally then it’ll be the refund they’ve previously offered which still stands.
Shane because the device fits our use but it’s just not reliable.

 

[Pepsi]

It’s not the device.
It’s a known issue with a firmware/software conflict and the packet sizes.
Because they have failed to update the processors they now can’t cope with the packet sizes in the latest software.
The firmware tries to reconfigure them and that causes one of the issues.
Garmin UK deny it but Garmin US and D have admitted it.
A user on the German side of the Garmin forum is a dev and broke it all down to discover it.
Waiting for their upper tier to come back to me about my reply to their offer.
If the latest devices are not considerably changed internally then it’ll be the refund they’ve previously offered which still stands.
Shane because the device fits our use but it’s just not reliable.

No you are right it isn’t the device, it’s the internal gubbins as you said. Garmin did concede to disclose that it was a conflict between some of the mapping software and the device or something along those lines if I understood what they said correctly. Either way a top end device such as the Montana Series shouldn’t be having these issues.

 

[John Armstrong]

You would hate the random mystical order that XT stores routes . XT2 is wonderfully alphabetical . Do enlighten me if you have a fix , because I’ve been unable to help my biker mates with their XT’s .
( I’ve tried the ChatGPT suggestion of editing and renaming , which was not successful . I have not tried exporting to Basecamp , sorting and sending back )

It's by the date & time that the route thinks it's starting on. Which if you're using Basecamp, will default to the time you built the route.

XT2 allows you to search by name / distance / newest IIRC.