Yes or no. Scottish residents only please

[Deleted account 210516001]

Oh to know the price of everything and the value of nothing.....

But we do know the price of a socialist future. Higher taxes and borrowing costs followed by rising unemployment when the public sector becomes incapable of soaking up the redundant private sector workers.

 

[morty]

Marki_GSA we are not ready to be independent & as previously stated we have no real leaders in our country at present.(full stop for ronno)I have read the white paper(yes i can read ronno) & it has more holes than Rab C Nesbitts vest.Ever heard the phrase “you can’t run before you walk”?(you liking this ronno?).An independent Scotland would be require rebuilding from the ground up & from what i’ve seen from Salmond & the others in no way instills me with confidence.Change for the sake of change can only lead to one almighty “clusterfuck” & that would kill off any future for Scotland or it’s children.

 

[Schtum]

But we do know the price of a socialist future. Higher taxes and borrowing costs followed by rising unemployment when the public sector becomes incapable of soaking up the redundant private sector workers.

No you don't. You've never seen a socialist future. More to the point, you've got an opportunity to help vote for and shape a better Scotland. On the other hand you could just let it stay the same and let it wither under Westminster rule. It's an opportunity for self-initiated change rather than to have change imposed upon us at the whim of a regime whose only interest is what they can extract from Scotland. However, I suspect there's no point discussing it. You just stay the same, I'm sure it'll be more comfortable for you.

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

Marki_GSA we are not ready to be independent & as previously stated we have no real leaders in our country at present.(full stop for ronno)I have read the white paper(yes i can read ronno) & it has more holes than Rab C Nesbitts vest.Ever heard the phrase “you can’t run before you walk”?(you liking this ronno?).An independent Scotland would be require rebuilding from the ground up & from what i’ve seen from Salmond & the others in no way instills me with confidence.Change for the sake of change can only lead to one almighty “clusterfuck” & that would kill off any future for Scotland or it’s children.

See now that is a reasonable argument and you managed it without calling everyone who wants to vote yes idiots.

I don't agree with you and your whole argument is based on your feelings rather than any proof but I completely respect your right to be able to put that argument forward.

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

But we do know the price of a socialist future. Higher taxes and borrowing costs followed by rising unemployment when the public sector becomes incapable of soaking up the redundant private sector workers.

You know nothing of the kind.
Where is the proof to this, where are the figures? I will give you that the Yes campaign don't exactly know either but thats because nobody not even Westminster knows exactly where it will go. You're just falling for the we're doomed being fed from the No's down south with no figures.

The wheel would never have been invented if nobody took a chance and sat there thinking well things are good so why bother.

 

[Posh Pete]

i think you could be right scotboxer but hey have i spoke any untruths?

As the man wi the wooden leg said : "It's a' a matter of a pinion." I don't share yours.

 

[gerarddwatts]

So much negativity, so much conservatism, so much concern for keeping things the same in case we might lose something. So little positive thought about the way forward, so little vision for change, so little appreciation that Scotland could be a much better place for the majority of people to live in. Oh to know the price of everything and the value of nothing.....

So we'll wing it, trust to luck, 'Eck, Nicola, Kenny and the rest of the uninspiring muppets? If there was a way forward, surely those leading the charge(?) should be presenting us with it. They've had several decades to prepare....and failed. If they had a vision for change, we are waiting to be shown it. Sorry. just words won't hack it. You/they need to do better than that.

 

[Packer]

The SNP got a majority because a large number of Scottish voters were not prepared to vote for Labour after the debacle of Blair/Brown. The Scottish Conservatives are largely a bunch of no hopers. People, including me, voted for the SNP at that time but that doesn't mean those people will vote for independence.

A Yes vote will almost certainly result in a socialist government in Scotland. Which countries would Yes voters point to as models of socialist success? Conversely, which socialist administrations would the No voters point to as expensive and near disastrous failures. I'll start with every multiple term British socialist government and the current French administration.

Perhaps the Scottish socialist politicians are so vastly superior to every other nations equivalent that they could make a success of the country. Can someone ask Tommy for advice?

 

[Packer]

I forgot to mention George, but without his Iraqi pal to cosy up with he may not be the man that he once was.

 

[Schtum]

For the non-believers and those whose only concerns are financial....... http://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...one-of-world-s-wealthiest-countries-1-3336587

 

[morty]

Followed by:
Okay.So we are the 14 th richest country in the world . As part of the Uk,using the pound,backed by the Bank of England,as a member of the EU,with no transaction costs with the rest of the Uk and with money supply and interest rates controlled at Uk level .
The fat sneering bafoon aka the sultan of smirk thinks he can do better? Aided by Nicola " legal aid. “ borgeon,he will throw all that away and make us what? The worlds 13th richest? Or just possibly since these people couldn't run a bath,we will end up like .... Panama ? Enough already.

 

[Den]

The fat sneering bafoon aka the sultan of smirk thinks he can do better? Aided by Nicola " legal aid. “ borgeon,he will throw all that away and make us what? The worlds 13th richest? Or just possibly since these people couldn't run a bath,we will end up like .... Panama ? Enough already.

What's a Bafoon? Is it an ignorant person who insults the appearance of another person, thinking that it will sway the opinion of others? Is a Borgeon someone who cant operate a water tap?

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

Morty, you were doing so well the other night as well and you have just reverted back to name calling and trying to insult people. It doesn't work, ever.

You won't change people's opinions like that, in fact you will just get them as pissed off with you as you seem to be with the world.

 

[morty]

em,i went to the link & that was a reply from a reader.Are you really asking me to take salmond & co serious?do me a favour.Have you seen the shit the snp have been plastering over the net.The other day i watched a nat robot scampering around the deprived parts of Easterhouse.We all know some folk have it hard(well alot to be honest) & they are genuinely decent folk but her thinking was well," you live in a shithole”,"your life is miserable" & we can change all of that for you if you vote yes.look what the tories & labour have done to you.You believe what you like,I formulate & base my decisions on fact not fiction,something that is clearly missing from the snp’s plan for scotland.Forgot to add,I’m not pissed off at the world just the pantomime clowns pretending to have Scotland's interests at heart saying "follow me” but don’t ask me any questions of worth as i haven’t a feckin clue we’ll just wing it together.

“We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.”

I think John Wayne sums it up nicely “Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.”

 

[morty]

What's a Bafoon? Is it an ignorant person who insults the appearance of another person, thinking that it will sway the opinion of others? Is a Borgeon someone who cant operate a water tap?

If you had bothered to visit the link you would have noticed i posted the reply from a reader of the article hence i put "followed by":

“You see I kept asking myself then: why am I so stupid that if others are stupid—and I know they are—yet I won't be wiser?”

 

[Deleted account 190920002]

Morty
Well said speaking to my brothers golfing bud in Peterhead last night he more or less came to your conclusions. He said no one in their right mind would fall for the snp's tirade. Gordon, the guy from Peterhead is also a hard bitten business man who worked from the bottom up and like us has heard it all before about jam today and what does snp say about tomorrow? They hazard a guess I suppose that's good enough for them. I've worked in the fishing industry all my life and I feel it's stood me in good stead to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

 

[Toddy]

Which type of NO are you?

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[morty]

strange how they show the orange order but nothing about the child molesting catholic priests.mmm the 80/90 min scot.how many times have i heard my own countrymen singing then humming as the vast majority don’t know the words to half the songs.had plenty of friends who died for queen & country & their friends so what are they less scottish?mmm the feartie,well show me how they are going fund it,oh they can’t.i think we’ve every right to be scared of being run into the ground by tits.

 

[gerarddwatts]

Toddy....simply beyond belief!! Words fail me!!

 

[Deleted account 210516001]

I am a no voter because I fear what will become of my country if left to the sort of socialist government that would be imposed by the SNP, Scottish Labour Party or the Scottish socialist party. I will remain a feartie until I see something in their policies that indicate a willingness to limit public spending to what can be afforded without tax rises on the middle classes to fund give aways to the core Yes voter who see this referendum as a final throw of the dice in the class warfare that has largely been consigned to the litter bin of history elsewhere. Don't be mistaken and think well we have had labour government before and they were OK. This is not what you will get in a newly independent Scotland. They will have one chance to create the sort of socialist utopia that they think exists if only they were given a chance and there will be only one term in office to get the work done in such a way that there is no retreat into the political centre ground.

At the moment all I see is promises to make us all equal and vague suggestions about how it might happen because to tell the truth would scare even the central belt core voters. I have worked bloody hard for what I now have and gone without as I bought my house and built up a pension to ensure I have security for me and my family in my old age. I have not risked it in the past by speculating on the stock market or betting on the horses. I am not going to risk having my pocket dipped to fund some idealistic redistribution of wealth that will make us all equally dependent on the state so we have to keep voting for bigger and bigger socialist government to survive while those that can up sticks and move abroad like Sean Connery. Does that make me a feartie or just sensible?

So come on Yes voters tell me how we are to be made more equal with each other and who will have what taken from them to give to others who have less? A tax on the land my house is built on? Higher income tax? A lowering of the inheritance tax threshold?