Yes or no. Scottish residents only please

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Your demand that the thread be Scottish residents only is symptomatic of the extent to which Alex Salmon wishes to stuff the ballot box. By restricting the vote to Scottish residents only he wishes to disenfranchise all Scottish soldiers currently in English bases, most of the Scottish Olympics athletes, the considerable population of Corby, and... my wife.
 
Tim Cullis said:
Your demand that the thread be Scottish residents only is symptomatic of the extent to which Alex Salmon wishes to stuff the ballot box. By restricting the vote to Scottish residents only he wishes to disenfranchise all Scottish soldiers currently in English bases, most of the Scottish Olympics athletes, the considerable population of Corby, and... my wife.
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It is a matter for the Scottish electorate posted in the Scots section of the site. Nothing unreasonable in my opinion.

Start another thread with your own parameters if you're that bothered about what Dens' put up.

BTW: I'm English and have lived in Scotland for 12 years. I do not expect to have any say in matters affecting Englands' prospects for self-determination as I made a choice not to live there any more. That works both ways.

Scottish ballot for Scottish residents. End of.

Von K
 
Well now all of our Scots family and friends are no, but two sailing acquaintances from Yorkshire who are what used to be called white settlers are voting yes they have just bought large properties in Argyll. I think they liked Mel Gibson? There again I think it is just an (horrible word) investment for them they are wealthy types. They are hoping eckie lowers some tax or other, I presume??
 
I basically have trust issues and I've also been around enough politicians in my time to know that you can't trust the lazy cnuts at all. So when all I hear is that there is nothing but 'upside' to the forthcoming Indy vote, I quite frankly don't believe it. I'm not prepared to accept an argument built on the fact that we will be bigger, better and stronger than everyone else. Have you actually seen parts of Scotland, there's poor bastards in the townships in South Africa that would send them money if they saw the state of it all. So if we are in such a wonderful position right now and it can only get better why have't the politicians delivered right now….can someone explain why we have problems with poverty, health and education….who has been sleeping at the wheel?
 
garfield said:
I basically have trust issues and I've also been around enough politicians in my time to know that you can't trust the lazy cnuts at all. So when all I hear is that there is nothing but 'upside' to the forthcoming Indy vote, I quite frankly don't believe it. I'm not prepared to accept an argument built on the fact that we will be bigger, better and stronger than everyone else. Have you actually seen parts of Scotland, there's poor bastards in the townships in South Africa that would send them money if they saw the state of it all. So if we are in such a wonderful position right now and it can only get better why have't the politicians delivered right now….can someone explain why we have problems with poverty, health and education….who has been sleeping at the wheel?
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Surely by your own reasoning you can't belive the no campaign either where there is nothing but downside and we are doomed to be smaller weaker and poorer. Politicians are politicians just with different motives.
A perfect example of a politicians reasoning is that 1.4 trillion in oil is really bad news for Scotland but it's perfectly acceptable for the UK to manage. Aye right!
 
I was at a meeting last week at which Paul Wheelhouse...SNP Environment Minister....spoke. He went on and on telling us all....gamekeepers stalkers etc....how marvellous independence was going to be for rural dwellers, they would do this that and all sorts of wonderful things.

If they were all such wondrous things, and all within the competence of the Scottish Government, why didn't they do them this year? Or last year....or the year before....or the year before....

Nah....all frauds and liars.
 
von K said:
It is a matter for the Scottish electorate posted in the Scots section of the site. Nothing unreasonable in my opinion.
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Fortunately others don't agree with your view, and Kenny Logan is considering a legal challenge, see http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/45...t-to-vote-in-Scottish-independence-referendum

And the average Scottish soldier does have an opinion, whether allowed to vote or not, see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pendence-goes-ahead-Scottish-army-BORING.html

Alex Salmon is well aware that the 1.15 million expatriate Scots have a more broad outlook and recognises that most would vote against leaving the UK so they have been excluded.
 
gerarddwatts said:
If they were all such wondrous things, and all within the competence of the Scottish Government, why didn't they do them this year? Or last year....or the year before....or the year before....

Nah....all frauds and liars.
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Because Westminster currently controls much of what the Scottish government can and can't do. That's the whole point of independence as opposed to being devolved.

The no to the right say that is a good thing because it stops the Scottish government screwing up.
The yes to the left say it's a bad thing because Westminster is already screwing up and doesn't have the Scots best interest in mind.

What no side can argue is that it is currently the way it is and although the devolved government might want to do something they simply can't because of Westminster.
 
Marki_GSA said:
Because Westminster currently controls much of what the Scottish government can and can't do. That's the whole point of independence as opposed to being devolved.

The no to the right say that is a good thing because it stops the Scottish government screwing up.
The yes to the left say it's a bad thing because Westminster is already screwing up and doesn't have the Scots best interest in mind.

What no side can argue is that it is currently the way it is and although the devolved government might want to do something they simply can't because of Westminster.
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Bollocks.

All environment matters are devolved.

They could do now, all they promise to do in the future.

He was telling lies, looking for votes. Wont get many from us I'm afraid.
 
And the money to do whatever it is you want done comes from where?

By the way voting no won't get you what you want either.
 
At least on Den's thread I get a vote. As a Scot who had to move abroad to work (very limiting career choice as a youngster) because I was threatened with redundancy and had a mortgage to pay on my Scottish house that my wife still lives in, I no longer get any say in the future of my country. This is despite the fact that Moray Council still take Council Tax from me, so as far as they are concerned I still live there. Even if I make a special trip home purely for Referendum Day, I sill can't vote. Thank you Den for allowing me to do so.
 
The Stimulator said:
At least on Den's thread I get a vote. As a Scot who had to move abroad to work (very limiting career choice as a youngster) because I was threatened with redundancy and had a mortgage to pay on my Scottish house that my wife still lives in, I no longer get any say in the future of my country. This is despite the fact that Moray Council still take Council Tax from me, so as far as they are concerned I still live there. Even if I make a special trip home purely for Referendum Day, I sill can't vote. Thank you Den for allowing me to do so.
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There's nothing to stop you returning and getting a job back 'home'.

But I suppose crying into your wallet in the ME is an easier thing to do, really.......
 
Tim Cullis said:
Fortunately others don't agree with your view, and Kenny Logan is considering a legal challenge, see http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/45...t-to-vote-in-Scottish-independence-referendum

And the average Scottish soldier does have an opinion, whether allowed to vote or not, see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pendence-goes-ahead-Scottish-army-BORING.html

Alex Salmon is well aware that the 1.15 million expatriate Scots have a more broad outlook and recognises that most would vote against leaving the UK so they have been excluded.
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Blimey. A celebrity rugby player.

Think about this, Tim, if you allow 'foreign' votes based upon nationality, then it follows that you must therefore exclude anyone in Scotland who is not Scots born.

But unlike those true blue Scots who choose to live elsewhere for economic reasons, the people not born in Scotland who choose to live there are contributing and working in the Scottish economy. So it is only right that they have a say in the future of Scotland.

To me, you can't have it both ways. If you are resident in Scotland, you should have a vote on its future. If you have chosen to leave - tough shit.
 
Marki_GSA said:
And the money to do whatever it is you want done comes from where?

By the way voting no won't get you what you want either.
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Aha! Its beginning to sink in! From the same place as free prescriptions, free eye tests, free uni's, free nurseries, no APD, etc etc etc of course.....all the other promises...

And as a point of interest, I don't want most of what he promised to do after independence. Its all big government meddling in what they don't get. But they've got to justify the thousands of extra inspectors, monitors etc etc they now employ. What I/we want is to be left alone. But they are more interested in snouting about for a few more votes.
 
I am Scottish but live in England.
My heart says Yes but my head says No. What is really needed is a devolved England within the UK with more power to the governments of the British nations and Westminster taking on a mandate for UK-wide and international concerns only.
 
von K said:
There's nothing to stop you returning and getting a job back 'home'.

But I suppose crying into your wallet in the ME is an easier thing to do, really.......
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I guess you must have been lucky with your career choice, and always had work in Scotland. I spent £12k of my own money to improve my job prospects, but fell into the "and what experience do you have" trap. Somehow being able to drop bombs on people wasn't seen as a major pre-requisite for the civilian job market. Of course, add in the fact that I'm in my fifties and the market shrinks even more.

As for crying into my wallet in the ME, I can only guess that you have never had to move abroad for work and leave your family behind...
 
Toddy said:
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And imagine ticking the same box to say...

'I want to use another countries currency and have no say whatever over its management.....'

or

'I don't know what currency we'll use.....but it'll be fine....'

or

'We'll use the euro....'

or


'we won't use the euro....'

or..or...
 
Toddy..

You've fucked up the other thread with your idiot cutnpaste tactics, can we ask you to reserve your antics for that one, and not this one. Leave this one for personal opinion.

Seriously. Please.
 
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