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A partisan reaction to a government report based on incontrovertible fact. Idiot blethers designed to provoke a hysterical 'braveheart' reaction, and distract from real issues; currency, EU, fiscal management, NATO, economic reality, uncosted promises, everything currently being ignored by eck and the acolytes. Aimed at the 16 year olds eck is relying on for his votes, ignoring the very real concerns of those of us who have the future of this great country at heart.
 
Gerarddwatts, don't worry about the sixteen year olds my friend. We had our half term get together with all the cousins in Edinburgh this afternoon. All of my cousins kids who are aged from 13 to 18 all five saw the situation exactly as you describe and no way are they voting for this crazy break up gang. I was impressed by the way they understood the ramifications of this headlong rush into what no one has fully explained to them. They left me feeling well done kids, sanity in the young prevails.
 
gerarddwatts said:
ignoring the very real concerns of those of us who have the future of this great country at heart.
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Gerry, please tell us what is 'great' about Britain at this present time? Give a wee list for us stupid folk, so we can appreciate the advantages of our present union.

To me, the chance for independence is a bit like the people in 'steerage' on the Titanic. Difficult if not impossible to get out of the bilges to safety ... then finding an unlocked door to the outside of the ship ... with a raft parked outside. Not a big comfy raft, but a chance of escape from a ship which is sinking through arrogance, greed and negligence.

There are people standing by that door saying, "dont go on that flimsy raft, wait a bit, and you'll get a seat on a comfy lifeboat, with blankets and food. Just wait till the more 'deserving people' get settled and you will get a seat".

It will never happen Gerry. We will go down with the rest of the ordinary folk on the ship. The 'connected and worthy' are already on the lifeboats, and they have their luggage well and truly planted on the spare seats.

You, Gerry, are a member of the band. Serenading the 'have's' as they climb onto the boats. Still helping to make their lives comfortable

I am definitely taking my chance on the raft.

See you in Hell !
 
Sorry Den......I can't agree with your gloomy prognosis for the UK; neither would most international observers. Improving economy....one of the few in Europe, stable currency, prudent fiscal management, respected in every international forum there is.
You may feel that jumping into the raft will take you forthwith to some sort of imaginary utopian land flowing with milk and honey....the rest of us in the real world will be better staying together with our oldest and firmest friends.
You raft, crewed and captained by the muppets in charge will assuredly take those in it down the pan, even while they exhort with lies and false promises those who know they are better off staying with the ship as it reaches calmer water. Ask the captain of your raft what his plans are.....he can't tell you because he doesn't have any.
 
"Even pro-unionists accept that the country has all the ingredients to be a viable nation state"

except for the ones in here where they are sure our arse will be out our trousers and we wont have a pot to piss in!
 
Like a lot of these things, you read everything published and come to the conclusion that you do not know who or what you can actually believe.

But, I do have the feeling that if the Scoys want to go, then they should. What I would like to know is, what are the benefits/costs/disadvantages to the remaining UK if the Scots go?

Re the Scots keeping the Pound and monetary union, in is hard to see why the remaining UK would want to make it easy for the Scots and shoulder some of the monetary risks. But, perhaps it could/should be argued that we (the Remaining UK) owe that to the Scots. But I see that arguement sinking like a lead balloon with the remaining UK population as a whole
 
Toddy said:
Daily Record

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Toddy perhaps you can explain where this £500 million was coming from in the first place? Was this out of some secret current account held by Maggie that was going to be used to fund her retirement? Of course not. This illustrates exactly the problem with socialist thinking. This £500 million that the tory government did not want spent was taxpayer's money ie money that could be left in the pockets of taxpayers for them to decide how to spend it rather than given over to local or central government for them to decide how to spend. I support any government that wants to take less of the money I have worked for.

I doubt very much that the Barnett formula will be cut but lets just say it was and we had to start paying for our prescriptions and bus travel. If that meant my income tax could be cut by £1000 a year I think that will pay for a prescription pre pay certificate at £104 for the year and a fair few bus journeys and still leave me in pocket.

Get this through your head once and for all. Any government that promises to spend more money on anything is not going to get that money from a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. It is money from taxation that one way or another comes from us all. Start posting cut and pastes from your masters to show what percentage of an independent Scottish GDP they intend to spend and their plans to reduce this percentage and I might start paying attention.
 
Toddy

Do you not have a view/opinion/thought/idea of your own?

ALL of your posts are either a link to someone else's view/opinion/thought/idea or a cut and paste of someone else's propaganda :nenau
 
polecat said:
Do you not have a view/opinion/thought/idea of your own?

ALL of your posts are either a link to someone else's view/opinion/thought/idea or a cut and paste of someone else's propaganda :nenau
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Obviously you do not have the capacity to think for yourself. Rather sad really, particularly if YOU are the future of Scotland.
 
I think we can now all see the truth behind this apparent enthusiasm for independence.

Its actually got nothing to do with what's best for Scotland, the nation and its inhabitants.

Its all about 'anti-tory' left wing socialist ideals which he hopes to foist on us, despite seeing socialism fail everywhere its been tried. Completely dishonest.

Unfortunately, exactly the sort of governance that will inevitably follow a yes vote, and yet another reason to ensure the nutters don't run the asylum!!

I expect you wear an ABE t-shirt to the fitba as well??
 
Gerry, You've joined the scaremongers group I see.

Do you really believe that the people of Scotland are so stupid to all elect a left-wing socialist government for the rest of eternity ? We do have a high proportion of voters who are socialist minded. We also have a massive amount of people who are not.
If we all had voted strictly by our beliefs in the recent few decades, there would have never have been any opposition to the Conservatives. Its us who have helped keep the democratic system working in the United Kingdom. Admittedly, we did assist a bit too much when Tory Blair got in.

You being English (I am presuming) probably didnt realise, that back when you were a kid, dreaming of being a polis, there were quite a few Tory MP's in Scotland. It will be the same again when we dont have to vote tactically.

So ... lets see .... Your English. Work on a remote private hunting/shooting/fishing estate in rural Perthshire. Mingle with the folk who come there to enjoy that sort of thing. Nothing wrong with any of these things, but most of your visitors will not exactly be extolling the virtues of Karl Marx as they are bagging a few pairs of Grouse .. will they?
You're ex-police. spent a few years dealing with the scum of the earth on a daily basis. I believe you were on the thick blue line during the miners strike.
It would be hard to imagine you have a single cell in your body which sympathises with socialism in general.

Now, correct me if I'm totally wrong, because I often am. I am generalising, the same as you were in your last post. You seem to be implying that we are too stupid a country to govern ourselves. That we are all fervent communists who are only doing this to spite England. Of course there are some folk like that, and they tend to be the loudest shouters! But most of the Yes supporters are not. We are ordinary folk of all political persuasions who want the chance to decide for ourselves what shade our country will be at any one time, depending on circumstances at the time.

A good proportion of Scots dont like seeing Britain pretending to be ex rulers of the world and still being responsible for its present behavior. Always standing as close as possible to the Obamas of the world. Look at us ... we used to be great. Well, so were the feckin Romans, and look at them! At least they have the decency to know their place in the world now. They had there time at the top, as Britain did.
We want our small country to be ...just that .. a small independent country, controlling the assets we have to keep THIS country successful.

By the way. I like Gerry. We have drunk ... and been drunk together on many occasions. I have even done 'sporting activities' on his estate. Ive probably just fucked-up that relationship, but hey-ho, some thoughts have got to be said.
 
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Gerry, You've joined the scaremongers group I see.

Do you really believe that the people of Scotland are so stupid to all elect a left-wing socialist government for the rest of eternity ? We do have a high proportion of voters who are socialist minded. We also have a massive amount of people who are not.
If we all had voted strictly by our beliefs in the recent few decades, there would have never have been any opposition to the Conservatives. Its us who have helped keep the democratic system working in the United Kingdom. Admittedly, we did assist a bit too much when Tory Blair got in.

You being English (I am presuming) probably didnt realise, that back when you were a kid, dreaming of being a polis, there were quite a few Tory MP's in Scotland. It will be the same again when we dont have to vote tactically.

So ... lets see .... Your English. Work on a remote private hunting/shooting/fishing estate in rural Perthshire. Mingle with the folk who come there to enjoy that sort of thing. Nothing wrong with any of these things, but most of your visitors will not exactly be extolling the virtues of Karl Marx as they are bagging a few pairs of Grouse .. will they?
You're ex-police. spent a few years dealing with the scum of the earth on a daily basis. I believe you were on the thick blue line during the miners strike.
It would be hard to imagine you have a single cell in your body which sympathises with socialism in general.

Now, correct me if I'm totally wrong, because I often am. I am generalising, the same as you were in your last post. You seem to be implying that we are too stupid a country to govern ourselves. That we are all fervent communists who are only doing this to spite England. Of course there are some folk like that, and they tend to be the loudest shouters! But most of the Yes supporters are not. We are ordinary folk of all political persuasions who want the chance to decide for ourselves what shade our country will be at any one time, depending on circumstances at the time.

A good proportion of Scots dont like seeing Britain pretending to be ex rulers of the world and still being responsible for its present behavior. Always standing as close as possible to the Obamas of the world. Look at us ... we used to be great. Well, so were the feckin Romans, and look at them! At least they have the decency to know their place in the world now. They had there time at the top, as Britain did.
We want our small country to be ...just that .. a small independent country, controlling the assets we have to keep THIS country successful.

By the way. I like Gerry. We have drunk ... and been drunk together on many occasions. I have even done 'sporting activities' on his estate. Ive probably just fucked-up that relationship, but hey-ho, some thoughts have got to be said.
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The voters don't need to vote socialist for eternity and I don't think they would. They just have to vote socialist long enough to let them completely ruin the finances of the country and remember that the first term of an independent Scottish government will have many more calls on its finances than an established government because of the set up costs. Get that one wrong with too much borrowing or taxation and any subsequent right wing government will have to impose austerity measures the like of which are being experienced in Greece at the moment to get the country back on a sound footing. Eventually they would be able to do it but why put ourselves through all that pain for what would be the rest of my lifetime just to stick two fingers up to our nearest neighbours. I am voting with an eye on the next 20 years not the next 300. Perhaps if so many people had not voted "tactically" to keep the democratic system working (ie keep the tories out of power) I would have more faith in their ability to see through the sort of socialist utopia vision that is being put forward by the Yes supporters.

Vote No get Alex Salmond a job for life in the EU with the Kinnock clan and then vote to pull out of the EU.
 
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