Yes or no. Scottish residents only please

[Ross Dean]

http://www.yesscotland.net/news/answering-your-questions-nhs-independent-scotland

Thanks for that Toddy. The link partially answers my question in that the article says Scotland is capable of setting up links with the NHS in England and other heath services and that there are EU directives in place. In short, I will have to wait and see whether Scotland will set up these links (I am pretty certain that this will happen) and/or Scotland will become a member of the EU (this will take some time to achieve).

 

[Devon]

56 yes 51 no.
So 51 against may actually be 39 !

On a visit that took me all over Scotland last month I didn't meet a single pro independence Scot. Obviously there are many but most of the Scots I talked to seemed embarassed by the independence campaign.

 

[Ronno]

On a visit that took me all over Scotland last month I didn't meet a single pro independence Scot. Obviously there are many but most of the Scots I talked to seemed embarassed by the independence campaign.

Andy, I find that absolutely astonishing. I really do. I'd say I know about as many YES voters as I do NO voters. Plus a good few who don't yet know what way they will vote. I'm just wondering where you'd need to go to meet groups of folk who were entirely No voters.

 

[Devon]

Andy, I find that absolutely astonishing. I really do. I'd say I know about as many YES voters as I do NO voters. Plus a good few who don't yet know what way they will vote. I'm just wondering where you'd need to go to meet groups of folk who were entirely No voters.

I found it really odd as well Ronno, I stayed in Jedbrugh, travelled up to Invergarry, went all around and stayed on Skye, back on the mainland and north then back across to near Balmoral before doing 4 days in Shetland. I bought Independence into quite a few conversations by joking it would be the last time I would probably be able to visit Scotland without a passport and whilst some said it could be an idea not one person thought it would happen or be a good idea. I was a bit taken aback near Balmoral watching England play in the world cup in a crowded pub and not one Scot cheered when England conceded a goal or didn't win the game
Several people in Shetland told me there was no appetite for an independent Scotland for the vast majority of Shetlanders.
Obviously many, many Scots support independence so maybe they just couldn't be arsed to discuss it with me?

 

[Ronno]

I found it really odd as well Ronno, I stayed in Jedbrugh, travelled up to Invergarry, went all around and stayed on Skye, back on the mainland and north then back across to near Balmoral before doing 4 days in Shetland. I bought Independence into quite a few conversations by joking it would be the last time I would probably be able to visit Scotland without a passport and whilst some said it could be an idea not one person thought it would happen or be a good idea. I was a bit taken aback near Balmoral watching England play in the world cup in a crowded pub and not one Scot cheered when England conceded a goal or didn't win the game
Several people in Shetland told me there was no appetite for an independent Scotland for the vast majority of Shetlanders.
Obviously many, many Scots support independence so maybe they just couldn't be arsed to discuss it with me?

You've got me jealous re your trip there. Some great locations.

I'm not surprised about Shetland. I believe most of the folk there would like Independance from Scotland

 

[newboy]

I fish three or four times a year in Scotland and I have to say ditto Devon.
Maybe they are all in the big cities and not in the countryside...

 

[busy builder]

From my experience up here around Inverness/Ross-shire areas, I have seen as many yes as no voters. I will be voting yes but only because I don't believe the result will be yes, but for the reason that if the vote is close then Westminster will have to give the Scottish Government more powers than if the yes vote is say 70%.
There are about 350.000 people in the Highlands & Islands who if we all voted yes would IMHO not make a huge difference as it'll be the Central Belt that'll be the ones who decide, but could make enough of a difference.
At the end of the day, I think some people will only make up their mind when they are faced with the question inside the voting box, as many people don't know what to do at this time, so, we will see.

 

[FatAl]

If Scotland votes No and gets more powers whatever they are, will Scottish MPs at Westminster still be able to vote on matters appertaining only to England? Likewise the Welsh and northern Irish members?
If Scotland votes No will students from the rest of the UK still have to pay university fees whilst students from the rest of the EU do not?
If these matters are not addressed there is probably going to be a lot of ill feeling amongst the other UK countries.
I was once a fervent unionist, being of Anglo Irish and Scottish decent, but the more I read on this independence/secession issue the more I begin to think it's the English who get a raw deal, maybe England should declare UDI from the rest of the UK.
Perhaps Simon Heffer is correct in his book 'Nor Shall my Sword...the reinvention of England' if he is then I would vote for UDI.

 

[Ronno]

The previous posts by Devon, Newboy, Busy Builder and myself would suggest to me that people are maybe not being honest when asked about how they intend voting. Might it be they might give differerent answers to the question depending on whether the person asking has a Scottish or an English accent?

 

[Blackal]

Out of the funds Scotland receives from the common purse - the Scottish Government choose to spend some on free uni education, free prescriptions etc........

Are you suggesting that rUK decide that for us?

Now THAT truly is - arrogance of the highest order!

Keep posting that shite, will you? It's doing the YES campaign the world of good.

Al

 

[Devon]

Out of the funds Scotland receives from the common purse - the Scottish Government choose to spend some on free uni education, free prescriptions etc........

Are you suggesting that rUK decide that for us?

Now THAT truly is - arrogance of the highest order!

Keep posting that shite, will you? It's doing the YES campaign the world of good.

Al

You are quite right Blackal but do I wonder how the Scots would have reacted if England gave free education to English youngsters but insisted on making Scottish and Welsh students pay the full amount? Actuallly, I don't wonder how the Scots would have reacted at all; I know they would have taken it very badly and gone ape shit

 

[busy builder]

Did anyone see the Robert Peston program on BBC2 last night? very good it was.

 

[Blackal]

You are quite right Blackal but do I wonder how the Scots would have reacted if England gave free education to English youngsters but insisted on making Scottish and Welsh students pay the full amount? Actuallly, I don't wonder how the Scots would have reacted at all; I know they would have taken it very badly and gone ape shit

I'm sure Scotland would have followed suit.

It's probably suited the Westminster government to get the rUK populace to believe that you are actually "subsidising" our prescriptions.........

Al

 

[Devon]

I'm sure Scotland would have followed suit.

It's probably suited the Westminster government to get the rUK populace to believe that you are actually "subsidising" our prescriptions.........

Al

I am sure you would have followed suit but then, the English wouldn't dream of pulling the stunt on Scottish students the Scots pulled on English youngsters and we haven't 'followed suit' on prescription charges regardless of where the money comes from.

The previous posts by Devon, Newboy, Busy Builder and myself would suggest to me that people are maybe not being honest when asked about how they intend voting. Might it be they might give differerent answers to the question depending on whether the person asking has a Scottish or an English accent?

There's the rub Ronno and the million dollar question is why? Let's be honest, Scotland isn't voting for independence, it is voting to break up the UK. Independence means your own government (not being ruled by technocrats in Brussels) and currency etc etc and the referendum isn't offering any of these things and anybody who thinks it is needs their head examining. Regardless of Den's pole, you can get 5/1 on Scotland voting for independence which tells you much more then any politician or newspaper can tell you. After my trip about Scotland and thinking of what the UK has achieved over the last 300 years together and the great people I met on my travels about Scotland, I am glad the UK looks like sticking together rather then splitting up.

As an aside I see Farage and UKIP are planning to head up north in September to defend the union; should be interesting I would love to see Farage take Salmon on in a live TV debate, it would be like Gandalf Farage versus Gollum Salmon. Which is why the slippery toad Salmon will run a mile rather then be shown up for the bag of pish and wind he really is.

 

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I suspect that Devon's experience with No voters perhaps reflects that people are more willing to be honest when they feel the questioner is not liable to be critical of their stance. Asked the same question by a Scot they are reluctant to be so open for fear of being branded a "traitor" " a parcel of rogues" or worse still "a Tartan Tory". I am finding the people I work with very open and proud to proclaim that they are voting for "Freeeeedom" So there is very little difficulty counting the Yes voters. Speak to the others and you have to coax out of them the fact they intend to vote No by reassuring them they are speaking to a like minded individual.

This is a direct result of the way the Yes camp have chosen to mount the campaign via their cybernats and others who would not normally be party activists. They can do and say what they like because they are not going to be back on the streets in five years time looking for your vote again in the way that normal political party activists know they will have to be. I understand the passion of the yes campaigners even though I disagree with their reasoning or more accurately their lack of reasoning. They are voting with their hearts rather than following a reasoned approach but there is an ugliness in the campaign as it now stands that I have not seen in Scottish politics before. When I put a "No Thanks" sticker on my car my wife suggested I might want to put on a Rangers top for my next visit to Celtic Park if I enjoyed being a target that much.

 

[jonnyingram]

I'm Shetland not Scots and it's No.

 

[Schtum]

As an aside I see Farage and UKIP are planning to head up north in September to defend the union; should be interesting I would love to see Farage take Salmon on in a live TV debate, it would be like Gandalf Farage versus Gollum Salmon. Which is why the slippery toad Salmon will run a mile rather then be shown up for the bag of pish and wind he really is.

You're allowing prejudices and personal dislikes to inform some very strange opinions. I think it's very unlikely that Alex Salmond would wish to debate with Farage whose party and whose views are completely irrelevant to the Scottish Independence agenda. You also seem to favour a populist politician who panders to the reactionary middle and working classes over a far more sophisticated and skilled operator. Your naïvety and low-brow affiliations are on display here.

 

[Devon]

You're allowing prejudices and personal dislikes to inform some very strange opinions. I think it's very unlikely that Alex Salmond would wish to debate with Farage whose party and whose views are completely irrelevant to the Scottish Independence agenda. You also seem to favour a populist politician who panders to the reactionary middle and working classes over a far more sophisticated and skilled operator. Your naïvety and low-brow affiliations are on display here.

You think? Let's wait and see. UKIP received support from 10% of the Scottish population in the last elections. The worst thing the Nats could do is attack pro union politicians, I wonder if the bone heads will work that out this time. But as I said, that's an aside.

 

[Toddy]

IndyRef week 6

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature...st=PL7eUpxtdnbwrpDy3eJKojkzp8clwnEIOs&index=6

 

[morty]

i think thats called an opinion schtum & he like all others are entitled to it regardless of the nonsense your spouting.Your undertones are those of the rest of the naysayers who think all should follow their agenda & anyone who doesn’t must be a fool.