Yes or no. Scottish residents only please

yes, no or undecided

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JohnnyW said:
It certainly makes a good case for Scotland's continuing membership of the EU. However, this might finally put to bed the discussion about a currency unionhttp://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmselect/cmscotaf/499/49902.htm
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You don't need to wade through the whole thing. Just read the conclusion. (My Bold Type)


96. We have emphasised in this report that the economic future of a separate Scotland would be determined, more than by anything else, by its choice of currency. It appears the Scottish Government's proposal for a continued sterling currency union is driven by the political aim of "de-risking" the idea of separation rather than by proper economic analysis of what would be best for Scotland in these circumstances. The issue is too important to be dealt with in this way.

97. The evidence which we have heard suggests very strongly that a currency union between the continuing UK and a separate Scotland would not work well for either country. Scotland would be tied to an exchange rate which became less and less suitable for its economy, and heavily constrained in its economic policy. Without a banking and fiscal union, and the political union which is essential to sustain it, such a currency union would be unstable.

98. It is not too late for the Scottish Government-or for independent analysts and economists-to present to the Scottish people the other options which are available, and as the option which appears to be favoured by Scottish Ministers is simply to use the pound sterling unilaterally, the implications of this should be urgently explored. Nowhere is this more significant than in the case of Scotland's banking and financial services industry, which is a very important part of the Scottish economy, and a historical Scottish success story, founded on selling products and services to customers primarily based elsewhere in the United Kingdom. The uncertainties created by referendum have already begun to affect this industry, with significant Scotland-based companies setting out contingency plans to relocate their headquarters to elsewhere in the UK where most of the customers are. The uncertainties they face are greatly enlarged by the reality of the currency choices a separate Scotland would have to make.

In summary "Come on Eck tell us what plan B is"
 
Even if we leave aside the fact that a shared currency is not in the interests of the continuing UK it is equally clear that the Scottish Government's case for a currency union owes much more to politics than to economics. A formal currency union would mean that there would be substantial and ongoing restrictions on the Scottish Government's levels of Government borrowing and debt, and that Scotland would not have control over its own monetary policy. This is a very strange aspiration for the Scottish Government, which states that the most important decisions about the Scottish economy should be taken by the people of Scotland. This would clearly not be the case in the event of entering a formal currency union with the continuing UK.

I also like this paragraph.
 
Poll only has a few days to go.

Although its sitting at the moment at 60-60, the real figure is around 58 yes - 45 no. If you need an explaination why this is, read previous posts.

If any of the undecideds have made a definite decision, just say it in a post.

Thank you.:thumb2
 
Den said:
Although its sitting at the moment at 60-60, the real figure is around 58 yes - 45 no. If you need an explaination why this is, read previous posts.

If any of the undecideds have made a definite decision, just say it in a post.

Thank you.:thumb2
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you’ve got to ask yourself, do people really give a toss?don’t panic its not real.(a big boy done it & ran away)
 
AberdeenAngus said:
Erm, the Euro, rather obviously.
It wouldn't be first choice, and that's why they tend not to talk about it.
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The reason they don't want to talk about it is the break up of the United Kingdom would likely push the value of the pound lower against the euro at the very time that we would be asking our banks to convert our savings from pounds to euros. In effect the value of any savings would take a substantial hit although savers could console themselves with the warm fuzzy feeling that their pain had bought Scotland its "freeeedom"
 
Bennysdad said:
The reason they don't want to talk about it is the break up of the United Kingdom would likely push the value of the pound lower against the euro at the very time that we would be asking our banks to convert our savings from pounds to euros. In effect the value of any savings would take a substantial hit although savers could console themselves with the warm fuzzy feeling that their pain had bought Scotland its "freeeedom"
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Yet another reason for RUK to accept reality and form a currency union with Scotland, I would have thought. The alternative would be a run on the £.
 
scotboxer said:
Yet another reason for RUK to accept reality and form a currency union with Scotland, I would have thought. The alternative would be a run on the £.
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The run on the pound would be short term and holders of sterling who did not require to convert to euros could sit tight and ride it out. However this would not be so easy if your cash was in a Scottish based bank which would presumably have to convert its holdings to euros on a specific date. Presumably you could withdraw your savings in sterling and sit on the cash until the pound returned to a more normal rate against the euro. This would pose problems however for fixed term deposits and still involve having to convert enough cash for day to day expenses at high street exchange rate prices rather than the presumably more favourable rate offered to banks.

I agree the best solution in the event of a yes vote would be a formal currency union if for no other reason than it would act as an external control on fiscal policy and impose a level of prudence that would not normally be acceptable to a socialist government. However if this ever was a possibility it has now become something of a toxic issue amongst the rest of the UK voters who have been told by all three parties that this will not happen. They see it, wrongly in my view, as Scots wanting the best of both worlds at the expense of their neighbours and any deviation from the stated policy would be a hard sell to the rest of the UK.

A better solution would be not to break up the UK in the first place and thereby avoid upsetting the markets.
 
If there is a No vote.

To call yourself Scottish after a No vote would be an embarrassment, because any population that votes not to be a country would be the laughing stock of the world.
We would be the first country in history to reject independence. We would be considered weak and timid, a people who sing songs about being brave and being a nation again but when it came down to it were too cowardly to grasp it. Singing Flower of Scotland would invite derision and laughter everywhere. People will be dumfounded that such a rich country would prefer to let England take all it's wealth and spend it as THEY see fit. That is what a No vote will be viewed like in the eyes of the world.
 
Toddy said:
To call yourself Scottish after a No vote would be an embarrassment, because any population that votes not to be a country would be the laughing stock of the world.
We would be the first country in history to reject independence. We would be considered weak and timid, a people who sing songs about being brave and being a nation again but when it came down to it were too cowardly to grasp it. Singing Flower of Scotland would invite derision and laughter everywhere. People will be dumfounded that such a rich country would prefer to let England take all it's wealth and spend it as THEY see fit. That is what a No vote will be viewed like in the eyes of the world.
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That is what a No vote will be viewed like in the eyes of Toddys. The rest of the world will get over it like adults and get on with their lives just as they would in the event of a Yes vote. To decide our economic future on the basis of what songs we might want to sing is the weakest argument yet for independence.

I was nearly fooled into thinking this was a genuine original Toddy thought but alas No..... It is just another cut and paste from here http://ayescotland.co.uk/category/quotes/.
 
Toddy said:
To call yourself Scottish after a No vote would be an embarrassment, because any population that votes not to be a country would be the laughing stock of the world.
We would be the first country in history to reject independence. We would be considered weak and timid, a people who sing songs about being brave and being a nation again but when it came down to it were too cowardly to grasp it. Singing Flower of Scotland would invite derision and laughter everywhere. People will be dumfounded that such a rich country would prefer to let England take all it's wealth and spend it as THEY see fit. That is what a No vote will be viewed like in the eyes of the world.
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Not as dumbfounded as though who see the nats bleating on about independence, when that which they propose is anything but...an 'independent' country that WANTS to let another country dictate their financial and economic policy for them, with no input at all???? Pure farce.
 
morty said:
you’ve got to ask yourself, do people really give a toss?
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I've asked myself, and I replied to myself .. You must have given a toss when you decided to view the thread and reply. 133 people have given enough of a toss by voting in my poll.
The previously undecided voters may have come to a decision which is probably more of an indication of the trend than the results of the yes/no section (which is skewed by non-eligible voters).

Bennysdad said:
That is what a No vote will be viewed like in the eyes of Toddys. The rest of the world will get over it like adults and get on with their lives just as they would in the event of a Yes vote. To decide our economic future on the basis of what songs we might want to sing is the weakest argument yet for independence.
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gerarddwatts said:
Not as dumbfounded as though who see the nats bleating on about independence, when that which they propose is anything but...an 'independent' country that WANTS to let another country dictate their financial and economic policy for them, with no input at all???? Pure farce.
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Bennysdad, You forgot to mention Socialists. You always mention Socialists. What's wrong?
Unfortunately, the song thing IS important. If we lose, it will be an embarrassment to hear it. Of course, we could always use you and Gerry's favourite song ..
You can organize a sing-along when you take your next coach tour round the barren wastelands of Scotland

...The wheels on the bus go round and round,
Round and round, round and round.
The wheels on the bus go round and round,
All day long!

The Nats on the bus go whinge, whinge, whinge
Bleat, bleat, bleat. Bleat, bleat, bleat
The Nats on the bus goes Whinge, whinge whinge,
All day long!

The No's on the bus go ... take us anywhere you want driver,
Your in charge, your in charge.
The No's on the bus go,
Your in charge,
For-ever-more
 
I wonder how long they took to come up with the slogan: "Better Together"?

For those wanting Independance - it's easy......... "Independance"

But for Westminster, they had to come up with a slogan that gave no hint of the real reason they want Scotland to stay within the union - Present and future natural resources, which they desperately don't want to lose.

I think the chickens come home to roost for rUK in the event of independance..............

A more accurate slogan for Westminster to peddle - might be: "Fcuked on our own".

(mind you - the English countryside looks to be "well-fracked" in the near future)

Al
 
My biggest worry is the UK's total debt, it's fast heading for £1.5TRILLION, and it's not going to get any smaller any time soon, and with debt interest at around £43 BILLION, if the interest rate goes up by say, 1% then we are effectively a bankrupt country and no amount of tinkering with bedroom taxes will make a jot of difference.
So, if Scotland becomes independent, we will take arguably, 8- 10% of the debt but possibly have to pay a slightly higher interest rate. Now I know we will be a smaller country, but having debt of £150 billion sounds better to me, lets face it, it's 3 years interest. I know this is fairly simplistic, and anyone can pick holes in it, but thats how I see it
 
I recorded my vote in the survey as a "Don't Know" but I’ll be voting YES on Sep 18.

It will not be because I am anti English. All my grandparents were English born and bred and both parents too. I was born in the North East and partly brought up there, (makes me a Makem). Aside from the occasional drink fuelled comment by numpties in ref to England’s national football team, I have never heard any serious anti English comment from a Scot.

It will not be because I'm a nationalist. I have never supported the SNP.

It will not be because of a distorted view of Scotland’s history. I spent my adult life teaching the subject at secondary level and much of that was devoted to correcting the myths which still surround Scotland’s history. (Of course, if successive UK governments prior to 1997 and the Labour Scottish Executive after then, had actively encouraged a curriculum in which a knowledge of Scotland’s history and culture was accurately taught, then there might be fewer myths.

It will not be because I have an unrealistic view of Scotland’s economic resources. The oil WILL run out. Industries WILL come and go. These are facts of life. We’ll deal with them and if we screw up then that's no one's fault but our own.

I WILL be voting YES on Sep 18th because I think we can do better.

We can do better than UK governments which did nothing to mitigate the impact of economic change in Scotland in the 70s and 80s. The oil money was pissed away on unemployment benefit.

We can do better than UK governments which asset stripped their way through our nationalised industries and forced Councils to sell off our public housing without building replacements.

We can do better than UK governments which dropped any pretence of regulating the operation of the banks and the financial markets with all the consequences we have had to live through in the last 6 years.

We can do better than UK governments which covered up the murder of UK citizens in Northern Ireland until a UK PM was forced to apologise.

We can do better than the UK government which lied about its role in the miners' strike.

We can do better than UK governments which started wars on the basis of “dodgy dossiers”.

We can do better than UK governments which grovelled to Rupert Murdoch and did nothing when his minions lied and cheated and invaded the privacy of private and public figures, hacking a murdered child's phone. (Ironically, it took another newspaper to blow the gaff on the bastards.)

I could go on but the point is made: the whole London based system is rotten and needs radical change which I cannot see happening.

My only qualms in voting YES will be the fate of those parts of England and Wales and NI. But I console myself with the thought that the example of Scotland will lead people in these parts of the RUK to demand a better deal from a London centred establishment which currently plays the “beggar my neighbour – Scotland’s a subsidy junkie / isn’t that terrible, oughtn’t to be allowed” card. They wont be able to do that when we’re independent and Wales and the English regions will wake up to how they’ve been f*cked over.

I was already well on my way to a YES vote but the clincher was the two weeks I spent touring Norway this summer. It showed me what a small country CAN do when it carefully husbands its resources and spends its oil windfall and other resources on public utilities and infrastructure.

I'm not daft. I know that Scotland based politicians can be just as venal and incompetent as those at Westminster but I know that the people I vote for in a Scottish election will be accountable to me and my fellow citizens. But I think I'll be able to keep a closer eye on the buggers in Holyrood. And when they f*ck up, I'll throw them out and elect another bunch because I know that the cynics and the nay sayers are wrong and that another Scotland is possible.
 
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