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Den, as Mike O says the vote will be made by those interested enough to vote and the result will stand .
It is no way any fault of the English electorate and any " fall out " or anti English feeling will just go to show the small minded petty nature of a few..........

The country will have to look forward instead of backwards and blaming anyone and everyone for the past...........

Proud to be united.

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Mike O said:
But if your electorate has been given the opportunity to choose, and their choice is different from yours, can you (you=yes voters) live with the outcome of the democratic process, do you think?
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Do you want me or Den to speak for everyone?

Me - I'll view it as the only serious opportunity - lost. But, Life goes on.

I think there may be a longer-lasting resentment from south of the border, however.................... If this and similar threads are anything to go by.

Al
 
Mike O said:
But if your electorate has been given the opportunity to choose, and their choice is different from yours, can you (you=yes voters) live with the outcome of the democratic process, do you think?
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Glad to see a bit more sense coming to the fore in the thread. The answer is that YES voters will have to accept the result but a lot will,depend on what happens next. If a Tory govt is elected in the Uk at the next election (and remember that will go,ahead in 2015 regardless and Scottish based voters will participate regardless) there will be a strong reaction up here. The SNP will certainly use this to their advantage. Likewise if there is any attempt to mess with the Barnett formula or any attempt to back peddle on the extra powers (which are little enough anyway) promised to the Scottish Parliament.

I watched this prog t'other day http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04dr69k/scotland-votes-whats-at-stake-for-the-uk

I loathe Andrew Neil but the last 20 mins or so are interesting.

My own hope is that there are radical proposals for change in the UK to give greater powers to both Scotland, the English regions, Norn Iron and Wales.
 
If the vote goes to NO with a small majority I wonder what the chances are of the situation becoming like Northern Ireland. Could we end up with a Scottish republican army fighting against the UK government?
Den says he is worried about the fallout if there is a NO vote. How bad could it get?

Whatever the result I sincerely hope it is by a large majority. My once unionist views have become tainted after reading some of the nationalist vitriol over the past few months, I am now reluctantly wanting a YES result which is contrary to the views of my Scots relatives and friends who reside in Scotland.
 
Blackal said:
I think you can guarantee that Westminster will make any future independence chance - impossible.

(Until oil runs out ..........)

Al
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Bull shit its in your own hands !!

Excuses already ?? Vote for independence all Scottish people ??

Toddy must ave soaked the nation with good reasons to vote YES ...

Don't blame Westminster or the English for this one
Just vote YES !!
 
fatal said:
If the vote goes to NO with a small majority I wonder what the chances are of the situation becoming like Northern Ireland. Could we end up with a Scottish republican army fighting against the UK government?
Den says he is worried about the fallout if there is a NO vote. How bad could it get?

Whatever the result I sincerely hope it is by a large majority. My once unionist views have become tainted after reading some of the nationalist vitriol over the past few months, I am now reluctantly wanting a YES result which is contrary to the views of my Scots relatives and friends who reside in Scotland.
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It's the creation of the small minded.... Let em live with it.
 
Captain Black said:
Bull shit its in your own hands !!

Excuses already ?? Vote for independence all Scottish people ??

Toddy must ave soaked the nation with good reasons to vote YES ...

Don't blame Westminster or the English for this one
Just vote YES !!
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Stick your "bullshit" up your arse! Read the post! It aint excuses.

Westminster WILL create a rule whereby Independence will never be a choice again (should the vote in September be "no")

Al
 
Den said:
Unfortunately Mike, it will be a never healing open wound (I pinched that term off someone). Dirty washing has been aired in public, and judging by some of the vitriol coming from a lot of your countrymen during the run-up to this referendum. So much previously hidden prejudice.
I think it will make a fair portion of Scots seriously anti English.

I'll explain. Dya know the Americans commonly held impression of the Rednecks from the Deep South, an Ignorant, simple lot who speak funny. Dressed in dungarees, driving old pick-ups and eating nothing but fried chicken.
Well, thats the sort of impression you seem to have of us. Change the pick-up for an Astra, and the dungarees for a track suit, the chicken for a haggis, and that's us.

It was a bit of banter before. Few folk actually 'disliked' you in the real sense of the word. Wanting England to get beaten by any opposing side is a direct result of hearing about 1966 since .... 1966! Thatcher and her cronies certainly didn't help relations, and finding out that the amount of revenue from oil had been deliberately kept secret in order to keep us toeing the line adds insult to injury. I could go on.

The Scottish people have as a result of this campaign, become seriously politically educated and aware. Now ordinary granny's know the GDP of countries and tax revenues etc.
People in the pubs discuss politics and talk statistics and figures amongst each other!

As Ive said before, I am genuinely worried about the fall-out if there is a 'no' vote.
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What about the shit you posted encouraging emotional and opposite opinions ??
 
Blackal said:
Stick your "bullshit" up your arse! Read the post! It aint excuses.

Westminster WILL create a rule whereby Independence will never be a choice again (should the vote in September be "no")

Al
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Vote fucking yes then !!!
 
Captain Black said:
Vote fucking yes then !!!
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I will be - but that doesn't alter the opinion that if the vote is for "stay in the union" - that the UK Government will lay down legislation to prevent an independence vote in the future.

Al
 
Captain Black said:
Good god have the Scottish people lost their fecking mind.


I'm thinking a large number of people north of the boarder are a bit thick.

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But maybe have a better grasp of the old English language than you do, I personally have an O level and got a star for spelling :D

Great thread this, one of the best ever and hats off to Den, Blackal, Devon and Cap Black amongst others :beer jug: Keep it civil boys!!
 
scotboxer said:
I recorded my vote in the survey as a "Don't Know" but I’ll be voting YES on Sep 18.

It will not be because I am anti English. All my grandparents were English born and bred and both parents too. I was born in the North East and partly brought up there, (makes me a Makem). Aside from the occasional drink fuelled comment by numpties in ref to England’s national football team, I have never heard any serious anti English comment from a Scot.

It will not be because I'm a nationalist. I have never supported the SNP.

It will not be because of a distorted view of Scotland’s history. I spent my adult life teaching the subject at secondary level and much of that was devoted to correcting the myths which still surround Scotland’s history. (Of course, if successive UK governments prior to 1997 and the Labour Scottish Executive after then, had actively encouraged a curriculum in which a knowledge of Scotland’s history and culture was accurately taught, then there might be fewer myths.

It will not be because I have an unrealistic view of Scotland’s economic resources. The oil WILL run out. Industries WILL come and go. These are facts of life. We’ll deal with them and if we screw up then that's no one's fault but our own.

I WILL be voting YES on Sep 18th because I think we can do better.

We can do better than UK governments which did nothing to mitigate the impact of economic change in Scotland in the 70s and 80s. The oil money was pissed away on unemployment benefit.

We can do better than UK governments which asset stripped their way through our nationalised industries and forced Councils to sell off our public housing without building replacements.

We can do better than UK governments which dropped any pretence of regulating the operation of the banks and the financial markets with all the consequences we have had to live through in the last 6 years.

We can do better than UK governments which covered up the murder of UK citizens in Northern Ireland until a UK PM was forced to apologise.

We can do better than the UK government which lied about its role in the miners' strike.

We can do better than UK governments which started wars on the basis of “dodgy dossiers”.

We can do better than UK governments which grovelled to Rupert Murdoch and did nothing when his minions lied and cheated and invaded the privacy of private and public figures, hacking a murdered child's phone. (Ironically, it took another newspaper to blow the gaff on the bastards.)

I could go on but the point is made: the whole London based system is rotten and needs radical change which I cannot see happening.

My only qualms in voting YES will be the fate of those parts of England and Wales and NI. But I console myself with the thought that the example of Scotland will lead people in these parts of the RUK to demand a better deal from a London centred establishment which currently plays the “beggar my neighbour – Scotland’s a subsidy junkie / isn’t that terrible, oughtn’t to be allowed” card. They wont be able to do that when we’re independent and Wales and the English regions will wake up to how they’ve been f*cked over.

I was already well on my way to a YES vote but the clincher was the two weeks I spent touring Norway this summer. It showed me what a small country CAN do when it carefully husbands its resources and spends its oil windfall and other resources on public utilities and infrastructure.

I'm not daft. I know that Scotland based politicians can be just as venal and incompetent as those at Westminster but I know that the people I vote for in a Scottish election will be accountable to me and my fellow citizens. But I think I'll be able to keep a closer eye on the buggers in Holyrood. And when they f*ck up, I'll throw them out and elect another bunch because I know that the cynics and the nay sayers are wrong and that another Scotland is possible.
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Scotboxer, have read a few of your posts on here and agree with most of them, the Norway model is good up to a point. Having worked with them for a lot of years and count many as my friends, take care though, Norway's natural resources and labour laws has made many of them a little 'relaxed' when it comes to work ethics. I found myself working double their hours and taking home 50% of their pay, couldn't change my own work ethic which is inbred from an early age, so they are a bunch of lazy c*nts in my mind.
 
Blackal said:
I will be - but that doesn't alter the opinion that if the vote is for "stay in the union" - that the UK Government will lay down legislation to prevent an independence vote in the future.

Al
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So you want a vote until you get what you want ? Or do you think the independence vote just be the same as a general election ?
 
Jazbee said:
But maybe have a better grasp of the old English language than you do, I personally have an O level and got a star for spelling :D

Great thread this, one of the best ever and hats off to Den, Blackal, Devon and Cap Black amongst others :beer jug: Keep it civil boys!!
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But your shit at grammar just like me...

... a star or not. :D
 
Blackal said:
I will be - but that doesn't alter the opinion that if the vote is for "stay in the union" - that the UK Government will lay down legislation to prevent an independence vote in the future.

Al
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Your not going to be happy no matter what the outcome are you ?
 
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