Zeebrugge to Toulouse early May

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I'm heading down to see a friend of mine who's moved to Toulouse to build aeroplanes since the massive British Aerospace Factory all but closed at Brough(East Yorkshire). I'm getting the ferry from Hull to Zeebrugge and then riding down to Toulouse taking approx. 2-3 days. Question is what to do once there? Ride into northern Spain,hang about southern France or come back up and do the WW1 cemetery thing? Advice much appreciated.
 
I'm heading down to see a friend of mine who's moved to Toulouse to build aeroplanes since the massive British Aerospace Factory all but closed at Brough(East Yorkshire). I'm getting the ferry from Hull to Zeebrugge and then riding down to Toulouse taking approx. 2-3 days. Question is what to do once there? Ride into northern Spain,hang about southern France or come back up and do the WW1 cemetery thing? Advice much appreciated.


When you going? How long you going for?
 
Go to the back of the class....

When you going?

Early May

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Plenty of fascinating detail on the why of your going....

But very light on the pertinent bits that might (hopefully) enable anyone to give you an answer.
 
Thinking of setting off Tuesday 7th May and leaving it open really but meeting my friend on Thursday 9th(evening) and leaving him on Monday 13th and heading back to Zeebrugge on my own.
 
Beyond being 'open', any slight chance of you telling us all:

How many days do you have in mind to make the complete return journey Toulouse > Somewhere > Zeebrugge, starting out on Monday 13th?

Two, three, four, five, 10, 20.... More?

Knowing that strangely secretive number will enable people to know whether to send you to Spain, the Alps, Portugal or all three :D


One more question. Besides WW1, Spain and the 'cemetery thing' is there anything ese that might be of interest?
 
I spent 6 weeks in Toulouse a few years back, was out and about on the bike most weekends, plenty to do and some great roads. A visit to Andorra would be a good day, as would a trip to Castres and Cacassonne.

For the trip down, coming from LeHarve took 2 days, but 3 would give more time for sightseeing. Coming back up via the Milau viaduct is a possibility
 
We live in Capestang, south France (between Narbonne and Beziers),the last time I was coming back from Toulouse I set my gps to no highways and took some tiny roads back, through vinyards, it was very nice. If you want a quick blast to the sea, it's a couple hours on the highway. We do have a small b&b if you decide to come down this way :thumb:
www.lepetitplatane.com
 
There you have it FF1078, if you have six weeks 'open' for your return journey Toulouse > Somewhere > Zeebrugge you'll have a great time. You only have three days (Friday 10th thro' Sunday 12th May inclusive) actually in Toulouse with your friend, so you'll probably do less.

Now, any news on how long you have 'open' for your intended journey Toulouse > Somewhere > Zeebrugge so you can see how much of hatzylan's six weeks' worth of possibilities you might be able to take up?

To remind you, your one and only question was:

Question is what to do once there? Ride into northern Spain,hang about southern France or come back up and do the WW1 cemetery thing? Advice much appreciated.

By a process of slow illumination we now know that you have three full days with your friend in Toulouse. That's great. But, we have no idea how long beyond 'open' you then have available after saying good-bye to your chum on the Monday morning, before having to arrive back at Zeebrugge. You have left out the ONE piece of information we all need.

For instance, if you have just two days 'open' to go Toulouse > Somewhere > Zeebrugge it's probably unwise to go via Spain. If you have 10 days (or even the six weeks suggested by hatzylan) the possibilities become much larger.

So..... HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE 'OPEN' TO COMPLETE THE JOURNEY TOULOUSE > SOMEWHERE > ZEEBRUGGE? So everyone can start to suggest sensible answers to your only question.

If you have no idea and simply want a list of possible things to do over an unspecified time period, I'll kick it off with spending two weeks riding the spine of the Pyrenees and into the Picos. Then looping back to take in...... Sorry drifted off into a dream.
 
Unfortunately, I didn,t have six weeks of riding time, just the weekends and a few early evenings, as i was at school during the week, learning about Airbus A330s:blagblah.
6 weeks with no work would have been great:)
 
We live in Capestang, south France (between Narbonne and Beziers),the last time I was coming back from Toulouse I set my gps to no highways and took some tiny roads back, through vinyards, it was very nice. If you want a quick blast to the sea, it's a couple hours on the highway. We do have a small b&b if you decide to come down this way :thumb:
www.lepetitplatane.com

Thanks I'll keep you im mind
regards Nick
 
My first question was should we stay around Toulouse,pop into Spain or come back up for the WW1 thingy. I thought that was a simple enough question,obviously I was wrong! I have booked the outward ferry but not the return as I dont want to be held to a time. I'm open to the number of days I have away but both my business and my wife would be a bit annoyed if I had anything more than 2 weeks way from then in one go. I just wanted a few peoples thoughts on whether to saty around Toulouse,ride around northern Spain on do the mid and north of France for the best riding,scenery and interests.
 
It's like drawing teeth sometimes....

Hoorha....

At last we now know roughly how long 'open' is. Let's be sure.

You have two weeks away = 14 days, maybe only 12 if you have to include the ferry journey to-and-fro, along with the jaunt from and back to yyour front door and the bossom of your family.

You tell us that you will use three (maybe two) riding from Zeebrugge to your friend in Toulouse. That leaves you 11 maximum left or a minimum of 9 days.

You intend to spend three full days with your friend. That leaves you either eight days or six days 'open' to travel between Toulouse / Somewhere back to Zeebrugge and your ferry home.

That's plenty of time to do lots of things.

Now let's look at your question:

I just wanted a few peoples thoughts on whether to stay around Toulouse,ride around northern Spain on do the mid and north of France for the best riding, scenery and interests.

How long is a piece of string? You have chopped out about half of France (or more) with those three alternatives and are now asking which bit is best. Each area has its merits. It's rather like wondering whether Warwickshire is better than Cornwall or the Highlands of Scotland. I know the answer but you might not agree.

Start by getting a map, if you haven't got one. See sticky.

Depending on how (which roads, in which direction) you intend to ride from Zeebrugge to Toulouse will dictate how much and how many 'best riding' miles you will have already enjoyed on your journey down If you have ridden motorways all the way, you'll not have seen much. Similarly, it's quite possible to return to Zeebrugge down an entirely different set of roads than the one you came down on. You could even come right up the west side of France and loop across the top back to Zeebrugge.

Work out if you want to ride all-day-every-day (and most importantly how far) for the six or eight days you have available. Why? Well, it's sort of important. For instance, you could ride up to Verdun (day / day and a half / two days from Toulouse) and comfortably spend two days there looking at WW1 sites. Then move up to look at the sites around Ypres (another day or two) and a day back to Zeebrugge. That's your six days or eight days all but gone.

If you really want mountains, you can turn south from Toulouse and be in the Pyrenees within half a day. Or you could turn east-noth-east and by in the Alps (proper mountains) in a day / day and a half / two days, riding through the excellent gorges and the equally excellent Provence (take in Mt Ventoux) on the way.

You could head north, into the first class roads of the Massif Central, up into the Morvan, across into the Cote d'Or. You could take in the (perennially popular) Millau bridge and Oradour-sur-Glane on the way, possibly. You could do a WW1 'thing' around Albert, too.

The world really is your lobster, Terrence. Nobody can tell you which bit of a huge area is best or what you will enjoy most for your six or eight days. If it's lashing down in May (which it might be) the whole lot will be a giant puddle anyway.

Some of the goat track, hedgehog in pocket, plan-nothing brigade will just say "Wing it, mate"..... For once I very much suspect that they may well be right. Get there first and then see what YOU fancy; it's what I would do if I were you.
 
OK Thanks Wapping
I've been to Albert and driven down from Zeebrugge to Limouges and then on to Southern Spain and come back via Nice,Monte Carlo, Dijon and back to Zeebrugge but that was in a car and mainly motorway(toll roads) and this time on my bike I'd like to see more of the real France on 'A' roads so was just asking people who may have done similar. I know everyones expectations are different but if you dont ask you dont find out what may be good that I'd never thought of.
 
OK

Start by not even hinting at an apology for using a car. Lots of people do use cars (more than use motorcycles) it's not a crime.

Arm yourself with the Michelin maps suggested in this post: http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3311931&postcount=18 Particularly the route planning map, which will make your life a whole load easier. Maps are dirt cheap and will last you for years, so don't be shy in the map shop.

On the route planning map 726 you will find suggested roads that will be invaluable to you, especially the BisTourist routes. Use the three maps in the way I have suggested in the link and you'll be fine, I promise. Seriously, you are treading a well trod path. I can think of at least three recent threads in the French section of UKGSer Travel each taking much the same direction you are planning on. Marry that information to other threads and Trip reports and you'll find that everything you are asking about is there already. The Search function on the site works really well.

One tip: If you are not used to touring on a motorbike; there is a is a world of difference from a car. If you think 200 miles in a day on abike is a long way in the UK, it's no shorter across the water. Add in that France is about twice the size of the UK (but appears to be about the same in most atlases) should suggest that from A to B via C may well be a very long way. Zeebrugge to Toulouse DIRECT is between 600 and 700 miles. Move off the motorways and the distance gets further and slower. To give you an idea, Scarborough to Penzance is about 450 miles... would you ride between the two down every minor road? This is where the route planning map I suggested will come in very handy.
 
Thanks again wapping
I'll get those maps and take on board what you said about time in the saddle. I did Zeebrugge to Limouges in a day and also stopped off at Carnoy cemetry near Albert to pay respects to my Great Grandfather 2 years ago but as you say I think it would be very knackering on a bike!!
regards nick
 
I have been thinking about your return route. You want some 'great roads' (doesn't everyone) and to see something.

Here's a suggestion for you. Why not go to see some of the things that people miss? For instance, every man and his dog goes to see the D-day beaches. And why not, they are close to England and they are 'ours'. Similarly, they go to see the Somme and Picardy battlefields. Again, these are 'ours' and quite close to Calais.

You really aren't near either when you are in Toulouse and you need to get home (via great roads) via Zeebrugge. So what might be possible?

There is a great bit of France called the Vercors. Semi-wild and half mountainous. It's worth a look. It was also the scene of a great tragedy in June and July 1944, coinciding with the D-day landings. That a part of the massacre of the French resistance fighters was by renegade Russian and Ukrainian troops (fighting for the Germans) is interesting enough. I won't point to it on the map nor give you the links as it's easy enough to Google them up. Not least it's good practice for finding things out for yourself.

Then, work your way up to roughly the level of Colmar, which brings you to Alsace and slightly to the left (west) the Vosges, another great bit of France. Now Google up Le Ligne and Le Ligne memorial. The Vosges are full of 'great roads', so you'll not be disappointed. Again, the Vosges was the scene of heavy fighting in WW1 but it involved the French, not us. We were way to the north, much closer to the Channel.

From the Vosges it's near enough a north-north-east run up to Zeebrugge. The great thing is that this will take you (on great roads) past the WW1 killing fields of Verdun and into Luxembourg and the Ardennes, with all their 'great roads' and of course its links to the Battle of the Bulge.

You could do that route in the 'open' time available and still have time to see things.

What to do now? As much as I dislike it, Google maps is great for drawing lines. Put in just: Toulouse, Vercors, Colmar and Zeebrugge in that order and ask it to plot a route. You should end up with a very big semi-circle, roughly south through east to north. I say big, but huge is maybe a better word, as it's about a thousand miles. If you do it in stages, say Toulouse to Vercors first, you will also get the direct mileages between the four points, useful when you want to know how far each leg is. Take care as Google may present the distances in kilometres.

Now you'll have the broad direction to take to bring in what are only my suggestions. Now it's your turn. Google will probably have routed you down the motorways. Use your maps (see above) to see if you can plot something better, but still bring the points together. Pull the Google map route about, you can't break it, to get distances etc. But, don't be frightened to bring in some motorway if it means you can get somewhere sensibly and quicker. For instance, if you want to spend two days in the Vosges, you'll lose two days out of your 'open' time available. You'll have to make it up or miss your ferry home. In short, you definitely won't be able to see and do everything.

Another suggestion. I have routed you past Verdun, where you could spend two or three days quite happily. But maybe not if you want to see more of the Ardennes. If you have this dilemma, simply route yourself past the Verdun Ossuary. You could ride straight past it, pausing for just a minute (or an hour or a day) to see it. It has been there for nearly 100 years so it won't vanish in the next 30 or so years of your life. You can always come back.

This latter idea brings me back to what I am trying to do with the route I have suggested. You will pass through some fantastic bits of France, where you will really see a change in the scenery every day. You might also have seen some parts people miss out as they are not associated with what 'The English' want to see. Use it to get a feel for what each day brings and what each region offers. You can always come back.... The whole place won't vanish and you'll just have scratched the surface. Above all, you will by May have plotted your own routes, not simply played it safe by following another Tosser's roads. Yup, you'll make mistakes but nothing you will not be able to get out of by simply jumping on a motorway and / or or looking at a decent map, sat in a cafe for 10 minutes. Something you won't be able to do if you relied only on your PC which is now at home in Yorkshire.

Have a great time.

Richard

PS Everyone is different. I know I could ride the 1000 miles (longer if it's not the direct way) and see the stuff. But I don't mind setting off early, promptly and cracking the miles in down the D roads. But I won't do every rediculous little scenic lane either, at least not if I want to go 400 miles that day.

I am happy to stop for just 10 minutes for a coffee and grab a decent baguette in a town square for lunch. I don't stop to take pictures... Or press wild flowers, nor stop for a smoke every hour on the hour. Others want something different, starting to load their bike up at 10:30, riding out at 11 and finishing by four latest. That's fine, too.

I treat everyone, everywhere and everything as 'Biker friendly', not least as it stops me from worrying that they might not be, which saves time and unnecessary angst. I don't need a bloody great sign to tell me not to leave valuables on display (no shit, Shelock) but if there is one, I will probably think it's there for a definite purpose. Each to their own, enjoy your holiday as you want to.
 
That's a good suggestion Richard

I love the Vosges area & route de thermes bit

Also verdun is handy for zeebrugge, on the way home & northwards along the Meuse towards sedan is a great ride

From sedan you can head up towards Namur
 
Thanks Wapping
That's exactly what I was looking for. I think I have read about the village that the massacre happened at,to the west of Limouges where the doctors car still stands? That is printed off and I'm taking your excellent advise.
I'll try and post some details of my trip on this post during my trip
All the best Nick


I have been thinking about your return route. You want some 'great roads' (doesn't everyone) and to see something.

Here's a suggestion for you. Why not go to see some of the things that people miss? For instance, every man and his dog goes to see the D-day beaches. And why not, they are close to England and they are 'ours'. Similarly, they go to see the Somme and Picardy battlefields. Again, these are 'ours' and quite close to Calais.

You really aren't near either when you are in Toulouse and you need to get home (via great roads) via Zeebrugge. So what might be possible?

There is a great bit of France called the Vercors. Semi-wild and half mountainous. It's worth a look. It was also the scene of a great tragedy in June and July 1944, coinciding with the D-day landings. That a part of the massacre of the French resistance fighters was by renegade Russian and Ukrainian troops (fighting for the Germans) is interesting enough. I won't point to it on the map nor give you the links as it's easy enough to Google them up. Not least it's good practice for finding things out for yourself.

Then, work your way up to roughly the level of Colmar, which brings you to Alsace and slightly to the left (west) the Vosges, another great bit of France. Now Google up Le Ligne and Le Ligne memorial. The Vosges are full of 'great roads', so you'll not be disappointed. Again, the Vosges was the scene of heavy fighting in WW1 but it involved the French, not us. We were way to the north, much closer to the Channel.

From the Vosges it's near enough a north-north-east run up to Zeebrugge. The great thing is that this will take you (on great roads) past the WW1 killing fields of Verdun and into Luxembourg and the Ardennes, with all their 'great roads' and of course its links to the Battle of the Bulge.

You could do that route in the 'open' time available and still have time to see things.

What to do now? As much as I dislike it, Google maps is great for drawing lines. Put in just: Toulouse, Vercors, Colmar and Zeebrugge in that order and ask it to plot a route. You should end up with a very big semi-circle, roughly south through east to north. I say big, but huge is maybe a better word, as it's about a thousand miles. If you do it in stages, say Toulouse to Vercors first, you will also get the direct mileages between the four points, useful when you want to know how far each leg is. Take care as Google may present the distances in kilometres.

Now you'll have the broad direction to take to bring in what are only my suggestions. Now it's your turn. Google will probably have routed you down the motorways. Use your maps (see above) to see if you can plot something better, but still bring the points together. Pull the Google map route about, you can't break it, to get distances etc. But, don't be frightened to bring in some motorway if it means you can get somewhere sensibly and quicker. For instance, if you want to spend two days in the Vosges, you'll lose two days out of your 'open' time available. You'll have to make it up or miss your ferry home. In short, you definitely won't be able to see and do everything.

Another suggestion. I have routed you past Verdun, where you could spend two or three days quite happily. But maybe not if you want to see more of the Ardennes. If you have this dilemma, simply route yourself past the Verdun Ossuary. You could ride straight past it, pausing for just a minute (or an hour or a day) to see it. It has been there for nearly 100 years so it won't vanish in the next 30 or so years of your life. You can always come back.

This latter idea brings me back to what I am trying to do with the route I have suggested. You will pass through some fantastic bits of France, where you will really see a change in the scenery every day. You might also have seen some parts people miss out as they are not associated with what 'The English' want to see. Use it to get a feel for what each day brings and what each region offers. You can always come back.... The whole place won't vanish and you'll just have scratched the surface. Above all, you will by May have plotted your own routes, not simply played it safe by following another Tosser's roads. Yup, you'll make mistakes but nothing you will not be able to get out of by simply jumping on a motorway and / or or looking at a decent map, sat in a cafe for 10 minutes. Something you won't be able to do if you relied only on your PC which is now at home in Yorkshire.

Have a great time.

Richard

PS Everyone is different. I know I could ride the 1000 miles (longer if it's not the direct way) and see the stuff. But I don't mind setting off early, promptly and cracking the miles in down the D roads. But I won't do every rediculous little scenic lane either, at least not if I want to go 400 miles that day.

I am happy to stop for just 10 minutes for a coffee and grab a decent baguette in a town square for lunch. I don't stop to take pictures... Or press wild flowers, nor stop for a smoke every hour on the hour. Others want something different, starting to load their bike up at 10:30, riding out at 11 and finishing by four latest. That's fine, too.

I treat everyone, everywhere and everything as 'Biker friendly', not least as it stops me from worrying that they might not be, which saves time and unnecessary angst. I don't need a bloody great sign to tell me not to leave valuables on display (no shit, Shelock) but if there is one, I will probably think it's there for a definite purpose. Each to their own, enjoy your holiday as you want to.
 
If you dive into the Search function of UKGSer you'll find a load of stuff.

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312818&highlight=Vercors

This post

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1548382&postcount=21

From this thread

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154666&highlight=Vercors

Being just two simple examples.

Here's something else you may find handy:

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3361313&postcount=15

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3372180&postcount=15

Obviously you'll need to change the word (or words, you can type in several at once) you are searching for from 'breakdown insurance' to say 'Verdun' or 'Vosges' and / or the section of UKGSer you want to search in. Play around with it.
 


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