MAG Demo against P.T.I. ("N.C.T." for Bikes)

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Heads up folks,
Just to let you all know that MAG Ireland is joining with riders rights organisations all across the EU:

National Demo against Periodic Technical Inspection (N.C.T. For Motorcycles)
E.U. plans to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
Less than 1% of crashes caused by "technical failure"
MAG Ireland will be holding a Demonstration run

Saturday September 22nd

Join the run to show your feelings on pointless legislation​

More details on this as we get nearer the time.
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Not only that - Also;
On September 22nd there will be demonstrations all across the E.U.​
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There will be a demo in Brussels and if any Irish riders would like to take part. Our colleagues in MAG Belgium will meet you at your port of entry and ride with you to Brussels. If you are interested please contact [email protected].​

When all is finalised we’ll be letting you know the when and wheres.
Any questions - ask away.
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GerryC said:
Im against it whatever it is :aidan
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Ah! ~ you look so different without the moustache. :P

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Fuck the pti, can we not campaign to get rid of the gestapo(government) altogether.
 
Don't agree with this one at all.

Whoever stole Noahs KTM may well have a KTM of the same model and can put their plate on it make it appear to be their own and never have its true ID checked.
I have had several bikes stolen over the years and never returned, I will happily pay an annual inspection fee if it means that stolen bikes have one less place to hide.
Every day of the week I see bikes with indicators missing or broken, lights broken and tyres worn down to the canvass. Why should we be exempt from basic safety checks?
If you use the argument that only 1% of crashes are caused by vehicle defects then you have to call for the abolition of NCT and DOE tests for trucks......When's the campaign starting?
 
Would I buy a car that had failed it's NCT...... no

Would I buy a motorcycle that had failed a similar test..........no

A lot of people find out after buying their used bike that there is a problem with it and then end up having to fork out more money on parts and labour.

I've heard some horror stories and perhaps just maybe these faults would be detected at such a test.

1% of I guessing 30,000 registered motorcycles, that 300 accidents/incidents, how many were serious, minor or fatal.

To be honest I think the focus should be on how to reduce that 300 motorcycle accidents.

If having such a test prevents one biker's death is it not worth it!!

My pennies worth:thumb2
 
The logical question is "what have motorcyclists got to hide or to lose if this test is implemented? "

I do not like bureaucracy but it is hard to defend not supporting a safety inspection.

NCT has been a pain but has worked wonders in taking bangers off the roads.

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If a NCT style check were to have an effect on safety of Bikes MAG would totally support it.
But it simply does not.
In countries with an established regime of periodic checks this has proven to be the case.
I grew up in the U.K. where the M.O.T. has been in place for as long as i've ridden Bikes. Valid and credible only on the day of issue. No more than that.
I know of people that have bought Bikes in the U.K. that turned out to be both stolen and with an M.O.T!
It doesn't stop the rogues - dealers, thieves or chancers from putting an unsafe Bike on the road.
MAG met with the RSA who have looked into this and they fully agree with us.

As for truly improving safety for Powered Two Wheelers MAG has done a lot towards this goal - by promoting Training for riders that is geared towards the Real World hazards riders face.
Look at the 'killed /Seriously injured' figures since 2005 when quality accessible affordable training became more common. A massive drop in figures. That's when The Irish Rider Training Association gained strength and was followed up by legislation of training for all road users.

While i completely understand the points raised above - an "N.C.T for Bikes" just does not do what is hoped for. It fixes something not broke (the percentage of technical defects that cause crashes). It places another financial burden on riders.
Those that do ride machines in bad condition aren't going to change their outlook because of a piece of paper. It actually gives them the escape route to place the responsiblity on that bit of paper; get it and ride the Bike to death / to the next check.
99.5% of us know that safety is in our own hands and maintain our Bikes accordingly.

Oh,
If this ended up in the hands of the company now doing NCT for cars - would you really have faith in it?
 
When I was at the hi viz meeting with the rsa they said defective bikes were not a big issue and the biggest problem they would have with bike testing is
1 the fact that there are what 30000 bikes in the country compared to over 800000 cars which would need testing.the point being it would not pay to put a qualified bike mechanic plus equipment in say the Longford NCT centre to test 150 bikes a year 3 a week
The numbers dont add up outside Dublin cork and the east coast
There are a limited number of qualified bike mechanics in this country there might be lots of real good mechanics but a lot don't have the necessary Certs
There are lots of cars and vans going around with no test at the moment and very little police enforcement to stop that
Bikers are different to most other road users and I feel take better care of there vehicles that most other road users and as a vtn tester myself I have seen all sorts
Am I against testing no on the commercial side where my brother works it has greatly improved the quality of vehicles on our roads but Europe is trying to kill off biking by every means possible and this is another part of the nanny state
 
I don't have the statistic to hand, but a significant number of bike accidents last year we're as a result of poor road condition. Fix the fuking roads first then come back and talk to us about our bikes.

Incidentally, the road between Watergrasshill and Carrigtwohill is now closed due to a hole and I mean a hole in the road. My wife went for a look today and you can see running water at the bottom of it.:blast
 
Corporal Punishment said:
I don't have the statistic to hand, but a significant number of bike accidents last year we're as a result of poor road condition. Fix the fuking roads first then come back and talk to us about our bikes.

Incidentally, the road between Watergrasshill and Carrigtwohill is now closed due to a hole and I mean a hole in the road. My wife went for a look today and you can see running water at the bottom of it.:blast
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"Reports of a big hole in the road in Cork. Gardai are looking into it"...
 
Corporal Punishment said:
I don't have the statistic to hand, but a significant number of bike accidents last year we're as a result of poor road condition. Fix the fuking roads first then come back and talk to us about our bikes.
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I can see the point you're making, but just want to add the following observation......
IF it was solely the roads fault, then every bike/car on the road would have suffered the same fate...ie crashed.
 
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