GS trounced by KTM

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Well it is if you believe Ride magazine.

Just got the latest issue delivered with Rider Power 2006.

KTM 950 Adventure came 4th

BMW R1100GS came 7th

BMW R1150GSA came 21st

BMW R1150GS came 27th

BMW R1200GS came 61st :eek: (including 118th for gearbox, 121st for engine, 141st for reliability, 116th for running costs)

Never ridden a 1200 but are they really that bad? One of the reasons I bought my 1150GS was for reliability and low running costs and I've been really pleased with it.

Never thought the KTMs were as robust as the GSs.
 
How many KTM adventures have been sold this year? Was it more than the 90 they sold last year...I think the 1200 sold more than a thousand. If the KTM's so good why does hardly anybody buy them? I've ridden a couple with a view to buying one but stayed with the GS.

I wouldn't even wipe my arse with Ride magazine let alone read what the w@nkers who write for it scribble :spitfire
 
Well for the 990S Adventure the biggest issue is delivery, order now and see it February of next year.

As far as numbers go, the BMW 1200GS is produced in far greater numbers and a more mainline machine so you are sure to see more on the road. Comparing the 990 to the 1200 is not really fair as they are different bikes for different purposes.
 
KTM 950 Adventure came 4th

came 4th in what ?

unreliability tests ?
reliability tests ?

what was the testing ?

give us a clue :tosser
 
Ride mag.

Bung!
KTM have given one to this publication recently.....
That's how these vvanky mags work.
All the sh!t they feature is in the sheets because the gooks how write the 5hite have had a weekend away with a few shandies supplied, Londoners you see, then an early Christmas stocking full of crap guarenteeing some top swag mention in the forthcoming edition.
KTM, KTM, KTM....
Get forked, I've seen them with some extraordinary failures, strange though 'cause all there seems to be is top chat on these Austrian donkeys here, on a BMW site.
Do me, in fact, do us a favour and take your KTM rhubarb elsewhere.

Timpo out.
 
I thought Rider Power survey was by the oweners (riders) of the bikes and not the magazine staff?
 
I thought Rider Power survey was by the owners (riders) of the bikes and not the magazine staff?
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It is.


But that doesn't stop the usual contingent here who will never believe that a KTM could be possibly better than their sacred Beemer !!!


KTM build quality is certainly better than BMW.

I've owned numerous bikes over the years including half a dozen new KTMs and 1 GSa 1200 which arrived 2 weeks ago.

The GSA is the first bike I've ever owned that arrived from the factory with visible rust !!!


Not a very auspicious start !
 
Starting to sound like the BMW Club here. They are bikes and get from A to B. No need to be so defensive about brand loyalty. If you like it buy it.

Ktm 640 ADV
1150 GSA (Now sold) but I still liked the bike but it was by far not a perfect beast.
 
I think the KTM is more than a match for the GS, I am seeing more and more of them on the rode up here in the highlands.

I don't ride a GS because I think its better than everything else out there I ride one because its the best bike for me.

When I changed the 1150 I tried the KTM but preferred the 12GS.

Don't understand this "Everything else but BMW is crap" attitude

Stumpy
 
For Timbo

....and the sun shines out of BMW's ass in your opinion?

Your post sounded like the rant of a man set in his ways with a blinkered view of other bikes.

I have had both bikes and the KTMs build quality is superior. I was worried about the reliability but to date my personal bike has not let me down whilst I can not say the same of the Beemer.

I'm not attacking you but you should be a litle more open that other bikes out there are as good if not arguably better.
 

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I ride an 18 month old 1150 Adventure and it is a great bike, a little bit of corrosion is the only issue I have seen, we have done a lot of touring in Europe and Scandinavia and the bike suited us perfectly, the wife will sit on the back and babble for hours and loves it. She tells me we will never let it go.

I also ride a 640 Adventure which is simply stunning for what I use it for, a mixture of hooning, commuting and ploughing lanes, and it even has a greater tank range than the GSA.

We decided to get another bike last month, something that will take us to even more obscure places so we had a good look around and for me it was a no contest. The 990S arrives next March and I am sure it will be very bit as capable as the current machines I ride.

I see I am not unique here as some other UKGSER's are also moving down this path, I wonder why, maybe we are moving away from the 'mindless masses' or do we see something different in the KTM's?
 
Far from it...

Sugarcube said:
....and the sun shines out of BMW's ass in your opinion?
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Far from it...I've had issues myself with this, GSA12 just purchased, being my first BMW.
I'm all for choice.
It's your money.
It's my money, just spent.
But why is there constant postings on this facility giving a bombardment of critisism.... the only answer to this being a KTM.
KTM, good luck to them, and they'll need it as BMW are a hard act to follow.
If you were able to tot up all the miles travelled on this earth be GS's over the last twenty or so years, and lay the stat on the table of the KTM boardroom and ask them if thy think thier machines can match or even beat it, what do you think they would say?
KTM make a powerful machines that look well from new. They to have problems from new. I can recall sprockets falling off, over-heating, dash electronic failures, starter motor trouble, flat batteries....from years ago? '05 and '06 machines.
GS or not to GS is the question? GS I did and KTM I didn't. I could tomorrow though and would this remove future trouble from my motorcycling? Don't think so.
Timpo.
 
BMW do build great bikes and they also build great cars.

In my view, it's the way in which they deal with things, when they do go wrong, that really lets them down.

I love my GS and have no real issues apart from two minor breakdowns last year. The problems were compounded by BMW insistance on sending out car technicians first, who admitted to knowing nothing about bikes. That may have been forgiveable if they had done anything about my letters of complaint. Four hours stood on a roadside in Queensferry was no joke.

I've now got a policy in our company that no BMW bikes or cars will be bought, until they do something about their customer service when things go wrong.

I had an X5 too and now drive a Touareg and I have to say that, personally, VW's customer care has been better that BMW's to date.

I'd like to buy another BMW bike but I am seriously looking at the competition simply because of BMW the company rather than the product.
 
KTM had so little faith in their bikes that they wouldn't lend Charlie and Ewan any for their long way roud trip :nenau :D
 
Yeah but how many of us really demand that much from our bikes?

Certainly not me.
 
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