10 years with an oil head. Considering the LC

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After 10 years on trusty 'Bertie', my 2010 RTW R1200GSA, it now has 98,200 miles on it; time to px it for something newer. Seriously considering a 2018 GSA TE in Triple Black (Triple Black because I just love the look). How reliable are they proving to be folks? I'm finding it difficult to get an objective opinion from real owners. Would appreciate examples from people who own/have owned one as opposed to non owners and what they've 'heard'. It's there reliability I want to hear about. BTW, I know all opinions are valid but I like to hear from those who've personally got one/used one. TIA. (p.s. I may subscribe to this site and try to flog my 'RTW' ready Bertie on here if I don't get a decent px offer from a dealer by mid Jan - we shall see.....)
 
I have a 2018 GSA triple black, which has been faultless. Had it from new and covered over 10000 miles, including a Euro tour.
 
After 10 years on trusty 'Bertie', my 2010 RTW R1200GSA, it now has 98,200 miles on it; time to px it for something newer. Seriously considering a 2018 GSA TE in Triple Black (Triple Black because I just love the look). How reliable are they proving to be folks? I'm finding it difficult to get an objective opinion from real owners. Would appreciate examples from people who own/have owned one as opposed to non owners and what they've 'heard'. It's there reliability I want to hear about. BTW, I know all opinions are valid but I like to hear from those who've personally got one/used one. TIA. (p.s. I may subscribe to this site and try to flog my 'RTW' ready Bertie on here if I don't get a decent px offer from a dealer by mid Jan - we shall see.....)

Like you I had a 2010 GSA TB for a couple of years before upgrading to a new 2017 TB, and upgrade it certainly was. The older oil head certainly has more character IMO but the LC boxer engine is so more refined. I totally loved mine. I did just under 20k on mine in 3.5 years and it never missed a beat. Most of my biking mates ride LC GS’s and none have ever had any technical issues. That’s not to say, like any mechanical vehicle, things can go wrong and they are not cheap when they do but I wouldn’t hesitate. You will hear loads of people on here bleating about BMW reliability issues, perhaps we should ask ourselves why they own them if what they say is true or if they don’t own one why they see fit to comment on here. I’ve now just upgraded again to a new 1250 GSA TB, so that’s my vote of confidence.
I hope this helps and hopefully enjoy your new bike.
 
Go for it, the LC is a much better bike - spend a bit more and the 1250 is even better still.

Yes there have been warranty reports and recalls (by other names...), no worse than with other brands. Ignore the Arses on the site who like nothing more than to troll - it's a great bike, whichever you go for.
 
10k on my r1200GS that I just px ex. Zero issues in 40 months. Most common failure it seems to me is the ESA shocks after 20-30k miles, and which is why I wouldn't run without BMW warranty cover.
 
10k on my r1200GS that I just px ex. Zero issues in 40 months. Most common failure it seems to me is the ESA shocks after 20-30k miles, and which is why I wouldn't run without BMW warranty cover.

even that is a cheep fix now ,with the likes of firefox doing refurbs
 
A few things to consider aside from mechanical reliability. My experience is in coming from an ‘04 to a ‘13 and I rode both back to back for a few months.

Ergonomically the LC is slightly sportier than the hexhead; bars slightly lower and further away, pegs slightly higher and closer. Not hugely different but noticeable to me. I prefer the hexhead position for long days.

The steering geometry is a little different between the bikes (do some research), I personally find the LC slightly less suited for motorway riding vs the hexhead, as there’s a twitchyness and livelyness to the LC that gets tiring after a while, whereas the hexhead was smoother and more relaxed to me on long motorway trips. That said the LC is better on more interesting twisty roads at lower speeds. Your experience and opinion may vary. The LC definitely needs a steering damper

Sounds obvious but ESA isn’t as tuneable as the fully manual shocks on the older bike. Basically there are only three dampening “settings” and you either like the result or don’t. On the older LC (like my ‘13) there are only three preload settings but Newer LC bikes have self adjusting preload. You might like the result, you might not.

Personally (and my LC is the full spec TE edition with every single electronic option) I find the extra electronics largely useless. Nice to know it has traction control and can measure MPG in various ways, but otherwise they’re just toys that don’t help the riding experience for me. I thought I would use cruise control a lot but I don’t like the feeling of not being in control of the throttle. Your experience may vary.

I find the higher revving engine in the LC (vs the ‘04 hexhead) a bit annoying, I preferred the engine map (torque to RPM) in the hexhead for general riding but appreciate the top end power of the LC when riding aggressively. Personal preference.

LC Riding modes are... not to my taste and radically transform the bike. Rain is sluggish and floppy, dynamic is wild and harsh. Road is a good middle ground and I rarely use the others. I don’t ride off road so don’t use enduro or enduro pro.
 
LC Riding modes are... not to my taste and radically transform the bike. Rain is sluggish and floppy, dynamic is wild and harsh. Road is a good middle ground and I rarely use the others. I don’t ride off road so don’t use enduro or enduro pro.

The early LC'S were 'lively' on the throttle, but this was dampened with the heavier flywheel on the 2015 and later LC's.

My 2016 was much more subdued.
 
The early LC'S were 'lively' on the throttle, but this was dampened with the heavier flywheel on the 2015 and later LC's.

My 2016 was much more subdued.

Yep, I much preferred the livelier feel of the original light flywheel engine in my old 2014 GS LC compared to the replacement 2016 engine fitted under warranty due to flaky paint. The later gearbox was better though, although not as good as the 2017/18 E4 engine.
 
Take everything people have said here with a fair degree of open mindedness, some of the points raised are valid and other's are plain WTF???

I came from a an 06 hexhead lowered 30mm from stock to a factory low 2016 TE full loaded

Ergonomics

The LC is wider than the hexhead, so while the claims of lowering are correct, in reality the bike is no lower from seat to floor, (they put 30mm on the

seat width so if your a shorter rider, you may need an ultralow seat

The bars are slightly wider and lower, coming from a hexhead with rox risers, i found the position uncomfortable, but 10 months in, i find the bars & the

position to be fine. better than having the rox risers, as the up and back makes full lock maneuvers a bit difficult.

peg position is no worse than the hexhead, you will need to move your legs to get relief on a long trip ;)

The controls on the bars are more suited to people with long fingers, but you can manage reasonably well with stumpy digits ;)

There is more vibration felt through the bars than the hexhead, i dont know why, (may be the narrower bar profile)

The span adjustable levers are better than the hexhead, but still to much of a stretch with small hands.

The heated grips are manic - Defcon 1 & 2 Global thermonuclear war

The stock & variations on the front screen are useless compared to my old Givi airflow, and at best bash my forehead with wind blast, or blow a jet of

cold air over my neck & chin

Keyless fuel filler flap can fail in either the locked or unlocked position (weak point 2)


Riding

Suspension ESA is ok, but not as tune-able as my old manual Wilburs

for me being a short arse , its set on soft, single rider, works for me so i cant complain

The suspension needs to be cycled regularly through the modes, to stop the unit sticking & failing ( weak point 1).

Engine is bonkers compared to the hexhead,

the best way to describe it is

Hexhead = Labrador . faithful predictable and can can be kept in check

LC = Springer Spaniel, Everything 110% full on, eager to please yes yes yes ( in the wrong way)

devoid of charm or character

Riding modes for me work well, the rain mode keeps the engine in check which along with the other software keeps the back wheel in check

Road is fun when you yank the right grip in anger ;)


Was it a good buy over the hexhead, yes & no

Yes in that i like the wet clutch, filtering isn't a worry any more, the electronic cruise is brilliant, as is the MPG 50+ on a run (about the same as the hexhead)

No, in that its needs to be kept in its place at all times, too eager to run than walk , and will run a given the slightest provocation

Cost LC vs Hexhead - especially MD servicing which is needed for the warranty (extended)

All the hexhead panniers no longer fit, so it was another spend to bet panniers etc

and the cost to purchase hexhead £3700 LC £8500

Go for a test ride see what you think
 
LC

I bought a first generation 2013 LC new in 2013 and ran it for 5 years without any problems engine or paintwork. I sold it two years ago to someone on here who informs me it is still running well.
I have just bought a 2020 Rallye and feel it is a good step on again from the first gen and I’m confident it will be reliable.
Brian
 
I did 4.5 years on an 06 hexhead and recently moved on to a 16 plate GSA 1200 TE. As many on here have alluded to the later bikes steer quicker, rev quicker and as you’d expect just feel more refined and modern. I loved my old bike,and I love the newer one too, I can’t see me ever riding anything else.
 
I came from a 12 camhead GS to a 15 GS, I’ve had no problems with either bike. The 15 is a better all round package, more get up and go, I always run it in Dynamic mode, as it suits the mountains and countryside that I ride ( pre Brexit and post Brexit fingers crossed ) and is a keeper, It’s also an easy bike to self service.

I also think that by being a subscriber you would undoubtedly benefit from full access to this wonderful forum, you’ve already mentioned the sales section. The £12 per year will be the best £12 you have ever spent.
 
Go for it, the LC is a much better bike - spend a bit more and the 1250 is even better still.

Yes there have been warranty reports and recalls (by other names...), no worse than with other brands. Ignore the Arses on the site who like nothing more than to troll - it's a great bike, whichever you go for.

I owned from new a 2011 r1200gsa ,cracking bike with no issues in four years, infact I ran it and a new 2014 model r1200 gsa te wc together for 18 months. It was lucky I kept the earlier bike as the wc was an utter turd of a bike.

I am neither an arse nor a troll but it was so troublesome BMW gave me an extra years warranty for free , it cost them over £ 4000 in the extra year .

Bike in 34 months and 13,000 miles had 2 front and 2 rear shocks fail, 2 full sets of replacement switchgear, 2 failed gsap units plus 30 plus ecu updates and at one stage was being run around by the dealers with telemetric data recorders fitted sending data back to the factory . Numerous sets of rear pads due to abs and traction control problems and they never got a handle on issues with the very poor gearbox and horrendous ride quality.

It was so bad that it almost did me with the brand for good ,gave bmw a chance and bought a new 2018 model in late 2017, like chalk and cheese, gearbox is superb , ride quality is excellent , finish is better , switchgear is better quality, clocks on later bike much easier to read.

Some 2018 models have had a rare issue with the clutch pack , mine was one but it was fixed under the extended warramty.

Rule of thumb when buying any bmw model is the later the better once issues in the initial production batches have been overcome.

As an aside even though my 2014 bike was absolutely immaculate the dealer could not shift it and anyone who tested it did not buy it due to the shocking ride quality and gearbox, after 6 months it disappeared and on dvla site it has been untaxed since 2017 and was never re mot'd after the test I put on it before I sold it ran out in September 2018
 


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