1150 adv differences and questions

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Hi everyone just a few quick questions looking for an 1150 at the mo after more nightmares with the LC

noticed a few with different seats some black other silver/red were these year changes or standard gs seats?

engine paint wise seen some with blue casings, silver, and black at the front? year changes?

abs wise did they do any none servo ones with abs,

any benefit to twin or single spark?

Was there a standout year with them?

Cheers,

Tom
 
Don't know the answer to all of these, but yes, you gan get a 1150 GSA non-servo with ABS. I know this for sure as I have one. It's a 2002 model with blue casings and the rest silver, and it has the red and silver seat. I reckon the non-servo version with the simple ABS system is best, single spark. Very little to go wrong, it's my daily rider. I was lucky when I got mine, as my old 850 GS had just gone bang with 100k on the clock, and I didn't want to pay a lot to fix it, and a GSA with this spec and just 10k on it came up locally. Got it for £5k, with loads of extras which I sold, bringing the cost down to £4k.
 
Got a 99 1150 non abs, been great for the last 175k. I am sure newer ones are even better! Though also have a 15 LC which is a good addition to the garage, both are used every other day though, the 1150 strikes me as an easy bike to maintain as space age technology was limited in them days!
 
1150 GSA ran from 2002 to 2005/6

Up to May 2005 they were either silver tank, with a black or grey/red seat or black tank, with a yellow/black seat or a black seat

From about May 2005 you could choose another colour - the white SE model, with a blue/grey seat which came with a silver engine block, servo ABS and heated grips as standard (although the black and silver bikes were still available to order)

All had blue heads and blue/purple anodised wheels

Some had silver engine blocks and other had black engine blocks

Heated grips were optional

ABS was also optional

First batch of 2002 bikes if ABS was chosen, they had non servo ABS and were single spark

Servo ABS came in from early 2003 with the introduction of twinspark
 
I'm sure the full black seat was the low version and the Grey/Red and Yellow/Black ones were the standard ones.

You can get a black normal height too, as well as low

I ordered mine new with a black seat from the factory as I hate coloured seats with a passion

I have a new high and low in black, plus a couple of Sargent seats for mine
 
Early models had the option of a 30l tank - but came with a 22l as standard. Quickest way to tell which is fitted it to check to see if there is a crossfeed pipe between the two lobes of the tank - the 30l had this and the 22l did not...
 
Waiting for my liquid cooled to be fixed >.< so everythings on hold for a bit

oo didn't know that :) Cheers Mike,
 
Just to throw another one in - you could get a lower 'enduro' (iirc) named first gear, but all had a 'sport' 6th instead of overdrive.
Love my lowered 1st gear :thumb
'sport' 6th, not so much, would have preferred overdrive 6th like on std GS's
Mike O'll be along in a minute to give you the wallet busting way of getting lowered first and overdrive 6th :D
 
Just to throw another one in - you could get a lower 'enduro' (iirc) named first gear, but all had a 'sport' 6th instead of overdrive.
Love my lowered 1st gear :thumb
'sport' 6th, not so much, would have preferred overdrive 6th like on std GS's
Mike O'll be along in a minute to give you the wallet busting way of getting lowered first and overdrive 6th :D

I'll let Chad tell you - he's fitting his as we speak... :D
 
jesus haha considering the show time they made them a lot of changes and options LOL
 
jesus haha considering the show time they made them a lot of changes and options LOL

It's a BMW, of course there were options, that's how they make their money!

Look at the new ones, there's even more options now and the bike has been running for 3 years or so
 
yep totally get you mate :)

one thing that does my head in on the Liquid cooled is the surging believe its the fly by wire, and running lean,

Do the 1150's do that or any other quirky things

So whats the ideal spec then apart from none servo/ abs

Cheers,

Tom
 
Just to throw another one in - you could get a lower 'enduro' (iirc) named first gear, but all had a 'sport' 6th instead of overdrive.
Love my lowered 1st gear :thumb
'sport' 6th, not so much, would have preferred overdrive 6th like on std GS's
Mike O'll be along in a minute to give you the wallet busting way of getting lowered first and overdrive 6th :D

Since I have received a couple of enquiries about this - here's what's involved:

It requires the innards of two gearboxes - an Adv one with the low first gear and a standard GS Lite one. This is complicated slightly by there being two versions of gearbox, the (ironically named) "lightweight", which was introduced in late 2002 and the original version. The internals of these two cannot be mixed.

Once you've identified the gearboxes you need, you'll need to find someone who can split the intermediate shaft...

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One of the gears - I can't remember if it's first or sixth - is machined as part of the shaft. You need to select the gears you want (2,3,4 & 5 are common to all) and then reassemble the shaft. You then select the matching gears...

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...and reassemble the gearboxes.

You will be left with one gearbox with low first and high sixth and another with normal first and low top (in effect, a close ratio box).

So - pitfalls:

1. Identifying two 'matching' gearboxes - can be identified by three letter code on the RHS of the gearbox, near its joint with the engine
2. Identifying whether the Adventure gearbox has a low first (it was an option) - the three letter code will tell you
3. Finding someone to do the work. I've had two built - one in the USA by Anton Largiader and one on the UK by Steve Scriminger. Steve has now retired, but Chad got one built in the last month or so by Mikeyboy, who posts on here. Chad texted me the other day to say he was starting to swap gearboxes yesterday evening - so he might be a good person to PM to ask about costs etc.

Your ideal solution is to find one of the gearboxes with broken mounts or something - to bring the cost down. The Adv low first is going to be the difficult piece of the puzzle to find - everything else is pretty common. You'll want to replace all seals and bearings as a matter of course - plus fit a new clutch plate if the clutch is anything but brand new (false economy not to, while you have the bike split). Also examine the input shaft. If the splines are still good, then the chances are they will stay that way. Steve built his gearboxes so they were shimmed to allow the maximum amount of input shaft to protrude (the length of the engaged surface on the spline on the input shaft is the cause of failure - if they'd made it a cm longer the problem wouldn't exist, so Steve told me) - so it would be a good idea to build yours this way.

The decode on the three letter codes is covered at Anton's site, but the ones you'll need are:

GAN => up to 2003, silver, short 1st and short 6th (only GSA)
GAP => up to 2003, black, short 1st and short 6th (only GSA)
JAL => EVO silver short 1st and short 6th (only GSA)
JAM =>EVO black short 1st and short 6th (only GSA)

Only the above four codes will have the low first. You need to marry up the internals of one with the internals of a matching GS Lite (ie if your source a JAL gearbox, you'll need a gearbox from a GS Lite starting in J, if you have a GAN, the other box's code will need to start with a G).

I hope that all makes sense.

Cheers,

Mike :cool:
 
Thanks for that information, Mike. I was thinking last week about posting to ask about how to do this. I find the long first gear on my GS Adventure a bit too long, especially doing hill starts in the mountains, fully loaded.

Now I just need to start looking for the parts.
 
yep totally get you mate :)

one thing that does my head in on the Liquid cooled is the surging believe its the fly by wire, and running lean,

Do the 1150's do that or any other quirky things

So whats the ideal spec then apart from none servo/ abs

Cheers,

Tom

I found that having the LC in dynamic mode made the throttle over sensitive and caused the sensation of surging. 1150's do surge, or should I say some do and some don't. I have had 3 1150GS and they have all been fine, but I had an 1150 RT that surged like a bastard. The latest has a PC3 set at 13.8 afr and it is mega smooth on the throttle now and runs beautifully. Keeping on top of the valve clearances and throttle sync can make a big difference, but some are just bastards and always surge. I tried everything bar changing the afr on the RT and it didn't solve a sausage. I do believe that making them run slightly richer does improve them significantly. The LC on the otherhand I think is down to the programming of the fly by wire, but I understand they have had a couple of updates since the one I rode. Easy way to check is to ride it in enduro mode and see if it feels better. If it does then it's the throttle, if it doesn't then maybe there is a more deep rooted issue.

Your LC is alot quicker than the old 1150's but since when was a GS about speed, that's what jap 4's are for.
 


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