1200GS Are all engines this rough

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Bare with me if this has been covered already.
Bought my first GS a few weeks ago, an 07 1200GS and so far am very happy with the way the bike handles, stops, turns, the luggage, the wind protection, comfort etc in fact everything (yes you've guessed it there's a but) BUT the f*ckin dog rough engine:eek:. I've ridden all sorts of bikes from 650 singles, V4 Vmax and my last road bike which was a TDM850 with the twin engine and I've never been worried that an engine is about to let go-until I rode this bag of sh!te.
The bike itself has only 6800 miles (500 of which are mine), is in immaculate condition and was serviced by a main dealer prior to me collecting it (actually bought private). The engine pulls great and is very quiet upto approx 3750 revs at which point it suddenly sounds like the bottom end is about to let go but then gets a little quieter and smoother at about 5000 revs. Above 5000 revs it really pulls like a train and although still a bit noisier than I'd like it isn't too bad. Consequently when I'm riding it I either pootle around below 3750 revs or I have to go through the 'pain' barrier before enjoying the power. Having spoken to a mate who has a 1200 he says his does the same and he thought it was normal but surely they aren't meant to sound like this. I've read loads on here about software upgrades, how bikes are different after being serviced and to be honest it doesn't really inspire confidence in any one bike being the same. Having not ridden this bike before it was serviced or any other GS then I've got nothing to compare it to, all I do know is that if this is it for the rest of it's life then it ain't gonna be with me for long:(
Does this sound about right or do I send it into the dealer?

Tony
 
12GS /2007. Bike done about 6500km and engine very smooth (apart from usual big twin vibration and such) :hug. But all in all cant say I've experienced what you have on any 12GS I've ridden.... :nenau Have you ridden others for comparison?
 
Ask for a demo ride

Mines an 06 GSA, and it has good days and bad days as far as vibes go. Its just been serviced and it's mainly good days now.

Before I bought it I got to test ride 3 other 1200 GSs (so thats 4 in total). The smoothest was also the oldest (30K I think), and the worst was the brand new 6 mile 08 GSA. That engine was horrible. It didn't help that I was told not to rev it above 6K (coming from a GSXR this was hard enough), but it felt like it was dragging something behind us.

I think the service has to be pretty spot on to get it smooth at all revs, but the guy who did mine says that the condition of the oil has a big effect. Not sure if he also balanced it, but it does feel nicer (though I've spent money on a service, therefore I'm looking for an improvement, so perhaps I'm making it up... Bit like the placebo effect?).

I guess there isn't an answer in here, other than they were all a bit different. Each had a nice smooth spot, but its position in the rev range changed from bike to bike.
You could give it a quick oil change to see if that helps, but I'd ride it till the next service, then pick someone who's been recommended (I prefer independents, who get their trade by word of mouth, as they do a good job (or wouldn't survive). The big chains have massive showrooms to draw people in, so don't necessarily need to be as good (not always the case I know, but some are dire).

TobyS
 
You're not far from me - PM me if you want to meet up one evening next week and compare bikes (I'm away at the w/e).

Andres
 
Bare with me if this has been covered already.
Bought my first GS a few weeks ago, an 07 1200GS and so far am very happy with the way the bike handles, stops, turns, the luggage, the wind protection, comfort etc in fact everything (yes you've guessed it there's a but) BUT the f*ckin dog rough engine:eek:. I've ridden all sorts of bikes from 650 singles, V4 Vmax and my last road bike which was a TDM850 with the twin engine and I've never been worried that an engine is about to let go-until I rode this bag of sh!te.
The bike itself has only 6800 miles (500 of which are mine), is in immaculate condition and was serviced by a main dealer prior to me collecting it (actually bought private). The engine pulls great and is very quiet upto approx 3750 revs at which point it suddenly sounds like the bottom end is about to let go but then gets a little quieter and smoother at about 5000 revs. Above 5000 revs it really pulls like a train and although still a bit noisier than I'd like it isn't too bad. Consequently when I'm riding it I either pootle around below 3750 revs or I have to go through the 'pain' barrier before enjoying the power. Having spoken to a mate who has a 1200 he says his does the same and he thought it was normal but surely they aren't meant to sound like this. I've read loads on here about software upgrades, how bikes are different after being serviced and to be honest it doesn't really inspire confidence in any one bike being the same. Having not ridden this bike before it was serviced or any other GS then I've got nothing to compare it to, all I do know is that if this is it for the rest of it's life then it ain't gonna be with me for long:(
Does this sound about right or do I send it into the dealer?

Tony

Tony, +1,
You may have already read my threads and posts on this subject. I have now been told by the dealer that this is the norm for a GS. Well it wasn't like this before the 'enhancements'. We (GS and GSA owners) who are suffering this problem should press for some action to be taken and not be fobbed off with this shit anymore.
Tony, would you subscribe to this site please, so PM's can be sent.
 
Tony, +1,
You may have already read my threads and posts on this subject. I have now been told by the dealer that this is the norm for a GS. Well it wasn't like this before the 'enhancements'. We (GS and GSA owners) who are suffering this problem should press for some action to be taken and not be fobbed off with this shit anymore.
Tony, would you subscribe to this site please, so PM's can be sent.

I've not read your previous comments so can't comment directly on the problems you have been having but, there is no way I would describe the R1200 engine as rough/vibratory. Quite the opposite in fact.

If you think that's the case you've obviously never ridden a Guzzi :D

Andres
 
This is one of my other bikes. It was ridden daily until I bought the GS and it runs a bloody sight smoother.
 

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Bit of a mixed bag then:confused:. I know vibration and noise is a personal thing and very much depends on your previous experiences so some people may be more accustomed to it than others, my roadbike experience is only really super smooth Jap stuff. I'm off to Scotland next week and there are about 5 or 6 boxer engines amongst the group so will try and blag a couple of swaps during the trip to get some feedback from other owners. I'm hopeing they say it's bloody terrible so I can send it in to the dealers for a fiddle and smooth it out a bit because apart from the vibs/noise I think it is THE bike for me.
 
Love the Le Mans - had two of those before I discovered GS's ( a purple 100GS) and the pleasure of not having back ache any more.
 
Tonibe63 - my tuppence worth:

They all sound like tractors and pop and vibrate and so on.......

I normally ride with custom made ear plugs and don't notice a thing, but this week, I have been riding without and riding the bike fast. I thought that the engine sounded as rough as a badgers bottom, so I put some premium unleaded in the tank and 'tricked' myself into thinking it ran smoother!

I have had a few boxers and really - they are all pretty much the same. Th best way is to give the bike a bit of stick and concentrate on your riding line and style: you will soon forget about the noise and stuff like that.

If you are more used to riding 4 cylinder bikes, there can be no comparison whatsoever - try riding a HD for a few days and then get on a Boxer; that might cure your fears!

The type of tyres you have make a bit of a difference too. If you have cross tyres, then they are noisy. Road tyres will help. It's up to you.

Remember that you have brought a german tractor and just ride it like you have just stolen it (safely of course)

On the other hand - the bike could also need a bit a service? -
 
How many miles has yours done? The more miles the sweeter the engine! Mine's done 20k and could almost be a "4" at any revs. Leicester's not far from Pererborough. Take it to Balderstons. They'll sort it out for you.
 
I would suggest that the pots need balancing. Mine has been smooth since new but if the pots arn't sycronized you will experience shaking and less power.
 
Mine doesn't do that, at least I've not noticed it anyway. I did have a problem with my 1150 where one of the ignition coils had gone, it was doing pretty much exactly what you're describing.

Don't want to state the obvious, but has it got enough oil in? Not sure if that'd cause this, but it's always the first thing I check if I hear the odd noise.

Definitely go to a dealer, they'll let you take a demo to see if that's any different. I'm surprised you bought a GS without testing one first, they practically make you ride the things as soon as you set foot in a showroom :D
 
If you are no good with a spanner you may need the aid of Steptoe or a friendly local mechanic, but in my technical opinion:

1) Get the rocker arm endfloats and valve clearances set correctly on a COLD engine. Get them spot on, close enough isn't good enough.

2) Get the throttle bodies synchronised using a twinmax or similar. Take time to get this done, a dealer won't take as much care as you might. It makes a world of difference to how smooth the engine feels.

3) Run it on Premium grade fuel, it also makes a big difference to how smooth it runs. (I used 91 octane here in Australia and it was dog rough, much smoother on 95 octane or better.)
 
No - they shouldn't be rough, but proper earplugs do enhance the riding experience :)
 


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