2010 GS twin cam

[Myke Rocks]

2010 twin cam

Sorry to disillusion you, but the 1200 currently on sale is a twin cam.
Maybe you mean a quad cam?

 

[BBB61]

we could be talking abt this until the cows come home.... crossing Ts and dotting Is....

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It's hardly dotting I's and crossing T's when you are being proved wrong on pricing and equipment levels by a large margin

 

[Fanum]

Okay as you say bandits start at £4500 so 3x that = £13500 you could sell a badit I year old for £2000 easy so thats a total cost of £9500.
thats cheaper than a GS.

When you're not drunk tomorrow, come back and have a little think about that one heh??

 

[Account removed]

When you're not drunk tomorrow, come back and have a little think about that one heh??

Whars wrong with the maths, i was using someone elses price.

I'm aware that the BMW would be worth more after 3 years, that was not the question. The question was could you buy 3 Bandits for the price of a standard GS £9750

 

[Yonkyo]

Sorry to disillusion you, but the 1200 currently on sale is a twin cam.
Maybe you mean a quad cam?

Nope. i think you'll find that the current R1200GS/GSA/RT etc..
Are all single camshaft with four valves per cylinder.

The only boxer engine with Double Overhead Cams, is the HP2 Sport.
Now, that engine in a GS would be excellent.

 

[Myke Rocks]

Nope. i think you'll find that the current R1200GS/GSA/RT etc..
Are all single camshaft with four valves per cylinder.

The only boxer engine with Double Overhead Cams, is the HP2 Sport.
Now, that engine in a GS would be excellent.

There are 2 camshafts in this engine. It is therefore a twin cam engine. There are 4 camshafts in the engine he is suggesting, therefore a quad cam.
Maybe I am wrong, but is this not the way Subaru describe their similar design.

 

[DrFarkoff]

I think they are loosing sight of the GS idea

G/S Gaelende strasse basically "Field" and Street

Now they are becoming performance bikes (as in the HP2S ) with nearly
no torque and performance until you hit a powerband

Question is will they detune in and remap it for a torquey motor or follow the Tiger 1050 route and loose the "offroad" charactor?

 

[Yonkyo]

There are 2 camshafts in this engine. It is therefore a twin cam engine. There are 4 camshafts in the engine he is suggesting, therefore a quad cam.
Maybe I am wrong, but is this not the way Subaru describe their similar design.

Subaru may describe there engine as such. But BMW describe there standard boxer engine as having a single cam (per cylinder). With the HP2 Sport engine as Double Cams per Cylinder.

Yes, I get your point about total cams per engine though. GS total 2, HP2S total 4.

 

[theop]

There are 2 camshafts in this engine. It is therefore a twin cam engine. There are 4 camshafts in the engine he is suggesting, therefore a quad cam.
Maybe I am wrong, but is this not the way Subaru describe their similar design.

this is wrong mate..... what counts is how many cams operate per cylinder...

Twin cam = 1 camshaft for intake, 1 camshaft for exhaust valves. ALWAYS

BMW boxer is a single cam engine. = 1 shaft operates both intake and exhaust valves

Its just has two sides... Arithmetically 2 camshafts that work independently on each side...

Subaru boxers are twin cammed = two shafts per side = 4 camshafts in total


Bottom line being, that the latest BMW boxer will be better everywhere, but ever more complex and expensive to repair

 

[Yonkyo]

I think they are loosing sight of the GS idea

G/S Gaelende strasse basically "Field" and Street

Now they are becoming performance bikes (as in the HP2S ) with nearly
no torque and performance until you hit a powerband

Question is will they detune in and remap it for a torquey motor or follow the Tiger 1050 route and loose the "offroad" charactor?

The HP2S has no more of a power band than the GS. It pulls like a train from zero revs. But what it does do, is rev much more freely and quicker, which makes the engine feel more lively, like a ‘V’ twin.

Data:
2008 R1200GS/GSA: 115 Nm (84.8Ft/lb) Torque @ 5750 RPM

HP2S: 115 Nm (84.8Ft/lb) Torque @ 6000 RPM – same Torque at slightly higher revs.

I think a DOHC engine will be brilliant in the GS.

 

[RickG]

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I think a DOHC engine will be brilliant in the GS.

Me too, but especially if it was made by Honda. Maybe a V4 in fact...

 

[GSmonkey]

Me too, but especially if it was made by Honda. Maybe a V4 in fact...

I agree - although Steptoe's GS TDi does sound tempting, although I'd rather BMW stop engineering their drivetrains out of chocolate before they're asked to transfer TDi levels of torque.

I can just see a big GS TDi belching out black smoke under power, with silly dump valve noises on the upshift

 

[zico]

Waiting for the V4 traillie from Honda. Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Although I like my GS, even though Ive had problems with it.

 

[casperfelix]

Rust what rust?

would buy 3 years later for £6k, the best condition I could get.... Thats what I always do, apart from the current GS that I bought late 06 1 year ols as any early 04 bike I d seen (from a sample of 10) was looking like a pile of rust...

Since then I realised that BMW is not what it used to be and that they are only marginally better than Suzuki in the rust department and half a million miles from Honda...

Mine, at now almost 4yo has been looked after like a precious stone and still looks no better than my 125cc Vespa on 51 which I ve not washed yet - ever.

Just bought a 2004 Aprilia RSV1000R - to go with my GS. The build quality is sublime! Electrics are a bit iffy.

 

[ExpatinIstanbul]

Cor bloody blimey. My '05 GS is left out in the rain, the snow and whatever else mother nature deigns to throw at it. It's cleaned, sometimes, roughly once a year and has just got me to Ireland and back (5,000 miles) without so much as a hiccup. In its life it's had the usual FPC and battery problems, and a new clutch mostly due to my heavy handedness, but that's it....in 4 years of ownership, oh and just two services in 30,000km. It has no rust and just some discolouration on the front of the motor.

Never having owned a Honda I can't compare build or finish quality, but I don't really need to as I doubt any Honda could have lasted better than my GS.

Mine's a keeper, I can't think of anything I'd want to change it for...including the later models. Unless something super special comes along that can do what mine does, but 50% better.

I love my bike. And my bike loves me.

 

[Yonkyo]

Never having owned a Honda I can't compare build or finish quality, but I don't really need to as I doubt any Honda could have lasted better than my GS.

Mine's a keeper, I can't think of anything I'd want to change it for...including the later models. Unless something super special comes along that can do what mine does, but 50% better.

I love my bike. And my bike loves me.

Well said fella. Now theres a man at one with his machine