Fella, I've already wasted enough time engaging you, I'm certainly not going to continue to do so.
2017 KTM Adventure Range.
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Fella, I've already wasted enough time engaging you, I'm certainly not going to continue to do so.
Maybe, in all those quoted class of race bikes, weight or lack of it, is an important factor.
KTM bikes are great but they come from a competition background, they jumped onto the 'Adventure Bike' bandwagon like all the other manufacturers because there was money to be made - they couldn't copy BMW so they put their own slant on the bikes but that ultimately limits their market size.
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That 'slant' being?
Off road/competition - they came late to road bikes compared to the other manufacturers. The KTM website front page says READY TO RACE in huge text and first pic is of a dirt bike.
Further down the page they state ' The adventure starts where the road ends'
The Africa Twin is 'rubbish for fully loaded road work '!
Must be rider dependent then as mine was brilliant two up in the Dolomites, with the DCT making it very smooth for my pillion.
Tunnerboy, don't waste your time with Engineer.
Never met the cock but you just know he's the archetypal British GS rider who hardly ever ventures away from the keyboard and when he does its to stay in 'luxury' Formule 1s at €39 per night, seeks out steak frites (pronounced fritz) and bores any other British biker within 20 miles about his fucking GS. Stick him on ignore list.
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Must be rider dependent then as mine was brilliant two up in the Dolomites, with the DCT making it very smooth for my pillion.
Tunnerboy, don't waste your time with Engineer.
Never met the cock but you just know he's the archetypal British GS rider who hardly ever ventures away from the keyboard and when he does its to stay in 'luxury' Formule 1s at €39 per night, seeks out steak frites (pronounced fritz) and bores any other British biker within 20 miles about his fucking GS. Stick him on ignore list.
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Has READY TO RACE over the clocks as well when you switch the bike on. What's your point?
You will have to go back and read the thread.
Active suspension has done away for the need of a telelever. It is all in the programming of the controller. The 1290 SA has really good suspension but you can feel that it is set up to be a bit lively. The BMW on the other hand is more comfort orientated hence for a pillion it might make a better choice. For me if I was to ride solo all the time the 1290 is the choice. Not having a shaft drive makes the gear change and rear suspension feel so much better. The beemer is great with the missus on the back. Each bike has it merits just as each person has his preference and mannerisms.
To criticise the 1290 SA I can say that the controls is not as intuitive to use as the BMW controls. The BMW controls may add more functions but it lessens the workload on the rider. In this department KTM has a bit of catch up to do.
Residuals of both makes has now come down to supply. Trading the GSA in for another bike and you will probably get offered very little. Maybe the same for a KTM bike at any dealer. So if you are talking about best value for money then you have to do a bit of research or just go the way of leasing the bike for 3 years. In the end most of us use the bike for leisure activities. No Porsche, Lambo, Bentley, Aston Martin owner asks 'How much mpg?' The thing is there to be enjoyed. Saying that you have to be a bit more attentative to the throttle of the 1190 when overtaking
Each manufacturer has its problems with production bikes. Forums are full of it. The only reason I believe BMW is so successful is because of marketing. They have created a family for you to be part of. Once you stray out of the BMW fold you will quickly feel alone and have to do with out the complementary bits on the side and have to travel a bit further to find a reputable dealer or a demo model that you wish to test ride. That is were BMW clinches it.
For those that think that the current bike they have is the best or a particular brand is the holy grail. Wait till the next new release or actually go ride the competition. Magazines have to keep manufactures happy and not slant them directly. That way they will always get a bike from a manufacturer to review or take a long term test on. You have to make your own mind up. Let the skins fall from yer eyes.
So for Engineer everything BMW is to worshipped even if they didn't invent the telescopic fork, nor the telelever or duolever and neither are they the only users of the flat twin. They make a good product and are better at marketing it but stray away from Europe and you will see a more diverse motorcycle market. Last week I met a guy from Canada travelling on a Kawasaki KLR. My brother in law is looking at buying his first bike. They live in Windhoek, Namibia. He says everybody there rides a KTM. He is looking at a BMW F800 GS adv. I told him there is a reason why everybody rides a KTM in Namibia. The thing is build for those conditions. The closest BMW came to producing a true round the world bike was the 650 x country family. Just add some decent suspension and you are off. Just like KTM has been doing for years. Don't tell me a R80, R100 is the real deal because you will swear at it before you reach the Black Sea.
Enjoy your bikes. I have owned 3 BMWs. 2 of which is in the garage. I'm looking forward to the new KTM range. God forbid if you ever see me on a Honda AT
To criticise the 1290 SA I can say that the controls is not as intuitive to use as the BMW controls. The BMW controls may add more functions but it lessens the workload on the rider. In this department KTM has a bit of catch up to do.
Residuals of both makes has now come down to supply. Trading the GSA in for another bike and you will probably get offered very little. Maybe the same for a KTM bike at any dealer. So if you are talking about best value for money then you have to do a bit of research or just go the way of leasing the bike for 3 years. In the end most of us use the bike for leisure activities. No Porsche, Lambo, Bentley, Aston Martin owner asks 'How much mpg?' The thing is there to be enjoyed. Saying that you have to be a bit more attentative to the throttle of the 1190 when overtaking
Each manufacturer has its problems with production bikes. Forums are full of it. The only reason I believe BMW is so successful is because of marketing. They have created a family for you to be part of. Once you stray out of the BMW fold you will quickly feel alone and have to do with out the complementary bits on the side and have to travel a bit further to find a reputable dealer or a demo model that you wish to test ride. That is were BMW clinches it.
For those that think that the current bike they have is the best or a particular brand is the holy grail. Wait till the next new release or actually go ride the competition. Magazines have to keep manufactures happy and not slant them directly. That way they will always get a bike from a manufacturer to review or take a long term test on. You have to make your own mind up. Let the skins fall from yer eyes.
So for Engineer everything BMW is to worshipped even if they didn't invent the telescopic fork, nor the telelever or duolever and neither are they the only users of the flat twin. They make a good product and are better at marketing it but stray away from Europe and you will see a more diverse motorcycle market. Last week I met a guy from Canada travelling on a Kawasaki KLR. My brother in law is looking at buying his first bike. They live in Windhoek, Namibia. He says everybody there rides a KTM. He is looking at a BMW F800 GS adv. I told him there is a reason why everybody rides a KTM in Namibia. The thing is build for those conditions. The closest BMW came to producing a true round the world bike was the 650 x country family. Just add some decent suspension and you are off. Just like KTM has been doing for years. Don't tell me a R80, R100 is the real deal because you will swear at it before you reach the Black Sea.
Enjoy your bikes. I have owned 3 BMWs. 2 of which is in the garage. I'm looking forward to the new KTM range. God forbid if you ever see me on a Honda AT
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Andres
^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^ is all that matters. If you don't 'get' it then I guess a nice efficient tool from the Father Land, or maybe a car appeals, who knows
Anything else is bollox.
Andres
Active suspension has done away for the need of a telelever. It is all in the programming of the controller. The 1290 SA has really good suspension but you can feel that it is set up to be a bit lively. The BMW on the other hand is more comfort orientated hence for a pillion it might make a better choice. For me if I was to ride solo all the time the 1290 is the choice. Not having a shaft drive makes the gear change and rear suspension feel so much better. The beemer is great with the missus on the back. Each bike has it merits just as each person has his preference and mannerisms.
To criticise the 1290 SA I can say that the controls is not as intuitive to use as the BMW controls. The BMW controls may add more functions but it lessens the workload on the rider. In this department KTM has a bit of catch up to do.
Residuals of both makes has now come down to supply. Trading the GSA in for another bike and you will probably get offered very little. Maybe the same for a KTM bike at any dealer. So if you are talking about best value for money then you have to do a bit of research or just go the way of leasing the bike for 3 years. In the end most of us use the bike for leisure activities. No Porsche, Lambo, Bentley, Aston Martin owner asks 'How much mpg?' The thing is there to be enjoyed. Saying that you have to be a bit more attentative to the throttle of the 1190 when overtaking
Each manufacturer has its problems with production bikes. Forums are full of it. The only reason I believe BMW is so successful is because of marketing. They have created a family for you to be part of. Once you stray out of the BMW fold you will quickly feel alone and have to do with out the complementary bits on the side and have to travel a bit further to find a reputable dealer or a demo model that you wish to test ride. That is were BMW clinches it.
For those that think that the current bike they have is the best or a particular brand is the holy grail. Wait till the next new release or actually go ride the competition. Magazines have to keep manufactures happy and not slant them directly. That way they will always get a bike from a manufacturer to review or take a long term test on. You have to make your own mind up. Let the skins fall from yer eyes.
So for Engineer everything BMW is to worshipped even if they didn't invent the telescopic fork, nor the telelever or duolever and neither are they the only users of the flat twin. They make a good product and are better at marketing it but stray away from Europe and you will see a more diverse motorcycle market. Last week I met a guy from Canada travelling on a Kawasaki KLR. My brother in law is looking at buying his first bike. They live in Windhoek, Namibia. He says everybody there rides a KTM. He is looking at a BMW F800 GS adv. I told him there is a reason why everybody rides a KTM in Namibia. The thing is build for those conditions. The closest BMW came to producing a true round the world bike was the 650 x country family. Just add some decent suspension and you are off. Just like KTM has been doing for years. Don't tell me a R80, R100 is the real deal because you will swear at it before you reach the Black Sea.
Enjoy your bikes. I have owned 3 BMWs. 2 of which is in the garage. I'm looking forward to the new KTM range. God forbid if you ever see me on a Honda AT
A lot of sense there - I don't worship everything BMW and I only partly agree about the marketing bit, I don't need to belong to a 'family', perhaps some do? - however the GS is the best bike for what I do, i.e commute, shop, one up touring, Sunday blasts etc and serious two up touring in Europe with her riding pillion the whole way - I've done the 'fly the girlfriend out to meet me, take her for little trips' thing, she now likes to ride the whole way, that is partly down to the fact that the GS does it with ease (because of its design). Horses for courses, the KTMs are more focussed and less generalist, same with the Honda AT - depends upon what you need/want/like
The GS did Cambridge, Reims, Stlozy's place, Meiringen, Swiss passes, Beaune, Reims, and back home two up with ease a few weeks ago - next weekend off to the Picos one-up with biker mate to explore the delights of northern Sapsin for a week or so. In the meantime it's the daily 20mile or so commute come rain or shine
A lot of sense there - I don't worship everything BMW and I only partly agree about the marketing bit, I don't need to belong to a 'family', perhaps some do? - however the GS is the best bike for what I do, i.e commute, shop, one up touring, Sunday blasts etc and serious two up touring in Europe with her riding pillion the whole way - I've done the 'fly the girlfriend out to meet me, take her for little trips' thing, she now likes to ride the whole way, that is partly down to the fact that the GS does it with ease (because of its design). Horses for courses, the KTMs are more focussed and less generalist, same with the Honda AT - depends upon what you need/want/like
The GS did Cambridge, Reims, Stlozy's place, Meiringen, Swiss passes, Beaune, Reims, and back home two up with ease a few weeks ago - next weekend off to the Picos one-up with biker mate to explore the delights of northern Sapsin for a week or so. In the meantime it's the daily 20mile or so commute come rain or shine
probably your most sensible post ever.
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Don't forget @Marki_GSA
That a lot of gs riders
Find 100 hp sufficient let alone 125 hp
To be honest I always found my 2005 1200 gs down on power,
but my 2013 1200 lc was quick enough even 2 up
Till I discovered the KTM1290 SA and had a
2-up holiday in the Highlands wear the power and the torque are great for uphill overtaking!!
I have had the bike for just over a year and the engine just boggles my mind sometimes especially on country roads here in Nederland
That a lot of gs riders
Find 100 hp sufficient let alone 125 hp
To be honest I always found my 2005 1200 gs down on power,
but my 2013 1200 lc was quick enough even 2 up
Till I discovered the KTM1290 SA and had a
2-up holiday in the Highlands wear the power and the torque are great for uphill overtaking!!
I have had the bike for just over a year and the engine just boggles my mind sometimes especially on country roads here in Nederland
Gsuk
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I read in a Dutch motorbike mag
That existing euro 3 models are allowed to be sold until 1-1-2019
And new models have to comply with euro 4 by 1-1-2017
Sorry for the Dutch article
That existing euro 3 models are allowed to be sold until 1-1-2019
And new models have to comply with euro 4 by 1-1-2017
Sorry for the Dutch article
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