2020 KTM 1290 Superduke vs 2019 1250 GS-HP

[BDG]

The man's obviously a fool!

He maybe, but he’s a very fast and analytical fool.

He also added American’s credibility isn’t too high in his book at the moment when I explained why I was asking. I don’t have an axe to grind, neither does my friend. I love my GS and there is always a slight possibility that someone with the tag of “Boxerlust” who raves about the same concept like a stuck record may not be as impartial. No offence to Boxerlust, just an observation.

Maybe we need a vote on the subject though somebody may claim the vote was fraudulent.

 

[Spareparts]

He maybe, but he’s a very fast and analytical fool.

He also added American’s credibility isn’t too high in his book at the moment when I explained why I was asking. I don’t have an axe to grind, neither does my friend. I love my GS and there is always a slight possibility that someone with the tag of “Boxerlust” who raves about the same concept like a stuck record may not be as impartial. No offence to Boxerlust, just an observation.

Maybe we need a vote on the subject though somebody may claim the vote was fraudulent.

Let's settle this the old fashioned way. We need to see how fast Boxerlust really is on his GS against another KTM. Enough of this bullshit bravado.

 

[Nutty]

Let's settle this the old fashioned way. We need to see how fast Boxerlust really is on his GS against another KTM. Enough of this bullshit bravado.

Good plan. Won't ever happen though, as he's the king of bullshit.

 

[tanneman]

He maybe, but he’s a very fast and analytical fool.

He also added American’s credibility isn’t too high in his book at the moment when I explained why I was asking. I don’t have an axe to grind, neither does my friend. I love my GS and there is always a slight possibility that someone with the tag of “Boxerlust” who raves about the same concept like a stuck record may not be as impartial. No offence to Boxerlust, just an observation.

Maybe we need a vote on the subject though somebody may claim the vote was fraudulent.

A bit of a woosh moment there

 

[Boxerlust]

Come out to CSS in Kalifornia and see how slow the king of BS ireally s...We won't be riding GS's though but S1000RR's... Unless you want to bring your own 1290SDR to a ride down the Baja...For that my 1250GS-HP will do...
As for the 1290 SADV I admit it is stable enough to handle the power which is 19 hp more than the GS has and not 48 hp more as the SDR.So it will go faster in a straight line as the video showed 209 GS vs 232 SADV indicated top speed on the romanian go cart track...Of course that translates into faster lap times especially if there is not enough turns to make up for it and that guy riding not that fast to begin with and more a straight line full throttle rider...And yes like Arsey said the GS needs more hp...170 In combimation with 17" wheels of course
I did not know how many gurlz with orange dresses are here on the GS forum...
Sorry but the 1290 SDR is a pile o. s... If there was no GS I would right a 1290SADV though...But I rather have a little less on top than have to live with a bicycle chain and stone-age fork...As for the guy saying he would be faster on the KTM on the road he must be a full throttle fast in a straight line guy and not very good in the corners how much better the GS handles especially when you are not on perfectly paved and smooth roads which are becoming a novelty today...

 

[Stanford]

Come out to CSS in Kalifornia and see how slow the king of BS ireally s...We won't be riding GS's though but S1000RR's... Unless you want to bring your own 1290SDR to a ride down the Baja...For that my 1250GS-HP will do...
As for the 1290 SADV I admit it is stable enough to handle the power which is 19 hp more than the GS has and not 48 hp more as the SDR.So it will go faster in a straight line as the video showed 209 GS vs 232 SADV indicated top speed on the romanian go cart track...Of course that translates into faster lap times especially if there is not enough turns to make up for it and that guy riding not that fast to begin with and more a straight line full throttle rider...And yes like Arsey said the GS needs more hp...170 In combimation with 17" wheels of course
I did not know how many gurlz with orange dresses are here on the GS forum...
Sorry but the 1290 SDR is a pile o. s... If there was no GS I would right a 1290SADV though...But I rather have a little less on top than have to live with a bicycle chain and stone-age fork...As for the guy saying he would be faster on the KTM on the road he must be a full throttle fast in a straight line guy and not very good in the corners how much better the GS handles especially when you are not on perfectly paved and smooth roads which are becoming a novelty today...

Haven't you got anything better to do at 04:30?
I can't help wondering whether you would be able to communicate a bit more coherently if access to the emoji was cut off...thinking about it I don't think you could communicate at all without them.

 

[dean0n0]

I leave it at that...

You were fibbing!

 

[Boxerlust]

4:30 - Some people get up early and have to work...
Tires,gas,beer....Nothing is cheap...Only the wages are...
I owe , I owe . I owe...Off to work I go !

 

[Spareparts]

Come out to CSS in Kalifornia and see how slow the king of BS ireally s...We won't be riding GS's though but S1000RR's... Unless you want to bring your own 1290SDR to a ride down the Baja...For that my 1250GS-HP will do...
As for the 1290 SADV I admit it is stable enough to handle the power which is 19 hp more than the GS has and not 48 hp more as the SDR.So it will go faster in a straight line as the video showed 209 GS vs 232 SADV indicated top speed on the romanian go cart track...Of course that translates into faster lap times especially if there is not enough turns to make up for it and that guy riding not that fast to begin with and more a straight line full throttle rider...And yes like Arsey said the GS needs more hp...170 In combimation with 17" wheels of course
I did not know how many gurlz with orange dresses are here on the GS forum...
Sorry but the 1290 SDR is a pile o. s... If there was no GS I would right a 1290SADV though...But I rather have a little less on top than have to live with a bicycle chain and stone-age fork...As for the guy saying he would be faster on the KTM on the road he must be a full throttle fast in a straight line guy and not very good in the corners how much better the GS handles especially when you are not on perfectly paved and smooth roads which are becoming a novelty today...

I've done CSS plenty (have repeated level4 at least 4/5 times), and CSS definitely does not allow you to 'race' or go flat out. As you should know, you are with an instructor all the time and you are there to learn technique. So let's take it out on the actual road then and let's see how fast you are there billy big bollocks. Superbikes from the early noughties barely had 130hp, and I'm fairly certain a good peddler could out peddle you on your GS given your dependency/excuses of wheel size/forks. Look, I have a sportsbike with 190rwhp and is fast. Proper fast - a lot faster than the GS if I wanted it to be so. On the road, especially on track, etc. Nothing to do with 17" wheels. It's the fact it is 70kg lighter than the GS, has at least 70hp more, and it is geared for 180+mph. The GS is very easy to peddle quickly at road speeds because of it's forgiving nature, stability, short gearing, and torque. But power/weight is important. If you can't go fast on the KTM, then I'm afraid you won't know what to do with the GS when it does have 170hp and you fitted 17" wheels. And no, I don't have a KTM and prefer my GS.

 

[Arsey]

Come out to CSS in Kalifornia and see how slow the king of BS ireally s...We won't be riding GS's though but S1000RR's... Unless you want to bring your own 1290SDR to a ride down the Baja...For that my 1250GS-HP will do...
As for the 1290 SADV I admit it is stable enough to handle the power which is 19 hp more than the GS has and not 48 hp more as the SDR.So it will go faster in a straight line as the video showed 209 GS vs 232 SADV indicated top speed on the romanian go cart track...Of course that translates into faster lap times especially if there is not enough turns to make up for it and that guy riding not that fast to begin with and more a straight line full throttle rider...And yes like Arsey said the GS needs more hp...170 In combimation with 17" wheels of course
I did not know how many gurlz with orange dresses are here on the GS forum...
Sorry but the 1290 SDR is a pile o. s... If there was no GS I would right a 1290SADV though...But I rather have a little less on top than have to live with a bicycle chain and stone-age fork...As for the guy saying he would be faster on the KTM on the road he must be a full throttle fast in a straight line guy and not very good in the corners how much better the GS handles especially when you are not on perfectly paved and smooth roads which are becoming a novelty today...

Oi, stop quoting me !!! I never said the GS needs any more power or 17 wheels !!!

And I think it safe to say you’ve got a lot less on top

 

[BDG]

I've done CSS plenty (have repeated level4 at least 4/5 times), and CSS definitely does not allow you to 'race' or go flat out. As you should know, you are with an instructor all the time and you are there to learn technique. So let's take it out on the actual road then and let's see how fast you are there billy big bollocks. Superbikes from the early noughties barely had 130hp, and I'm fairly certain a good peddler could out peddle you on your GS given your dependency/excuses of wheel size/forks. Look, I have a sportsbike with 190rwhp and is fast. Proper fast - a lot faster than the GS if I wanted it to be so. On the road, especially on track, etc. Nothing to do with 17" wheels. It's the fact it is 70kg lighter than the GS, has at least 70hp more, and it is geared for 180+mph. The GS is very easy to peddle quickly at road speeds because of it's forgiving nature, stability, short gearing, and torque. But power/weight is important. If you can't go fast on the KTM, then I'm afraid you won't know what to do with the GS when it does have 170hp and you fitted 17" wheels. And no, I don't have a KTM and prefer my GS.

Well said, make that man President.

 

[Boxerlust]

Spareparts you obviously don't have a clue and not ridden a 1290 SDR...Racing on the street is for idiots as fast on the street with one leg in the cemetary and the other one in jail is maybe 7/10th of fast track pace.Yes at CSS you can race they have a class for that but even in level 4 you don't ride with or behind a instructor but do your own thing and have a transponder giving you lap-times.So even if you are not racing you can still go as fast as you can and have the times to prove it...
As for the GS being perfect with 170-ish hp and 17" wheels let me explain to you...Of course a S1000RR will still be 40 kilos lighter and 40 hp more powerful on top and thus faster on the track.But this is not the point as we talk fast road-riding where upright seating position,high TORQUE and Telelever are bonus points for obvious reasons and 170 hp is enough to go fast and have an exiting top end unlike the KTM being twitchy and slow steering and wasting all that straight line power in wheelies...
Let me explain the benefits of 17" wheels for the GS...They obviously build up less gyro at higher speeds than 19" wheels as also you can get real good rubber like Conti Sport Attack 4 or Metzeler M9 Sportec not available in GS sizes if you want to go on a track day or ride really hard in summer where the sportiest tires in GS sizes could get to their limits.
Also the geometry of the bike could be set a little more on the stable side which would be beneficial in high speed stability and fast corners and due to the 17" wheel building up gyro the bike could still handle as quick as the current GS does.At least in theory...
Because if you slap 17" wheels on a current GS you gain looks but loose ground clearance which is never good on a bike where you can already drag the pegs easily (GS without sports suspension) and of course you loose trail which decreases high speed stability (especially if you run with bags).
Anyways that is how I see it and from my experience after almost 40 seasons in the saddle !

 

[Stanford]

Spareparts you obviously don't have a clue and not ridden a 1290 SDR...Racing on the street is for idiots as fast on the street with one leg in the cemetary and the other one in jail is maybe 7/10th of fast track pace.Yes at CSS you can race they have a class for that but even in level 4 you don't ride with or behind a instructor but do your own thing and have a transponder giving you lap-times.So even if you are not racing you can still go as fast as you can and have the times to prove it...
As for the GS being perfect with 170-ish hp and 17" wheels let me explain to you...Of course a S1000RR will still be 40 kilos lighter and 40 hp more powerful on top and thus faster on the track.But this is not the point as we talk fast road-riding where upright seating position,high TORQUE and Telelever are bonus points for obvious reasons and 170 hp is enough to go fast and have an exiting top end unlike the KTM being twitchy and slow steering and wasting all that straight line power in wheelies...
Let me explain the benefits of 17" wheels for the GS...They obviously build up less gyro at higher speeds than 19" wheels as also you can get real good rubber like Conti Sport Attack 4 or Metzeler M9 Sportec not available in GS sizes if you want to go on a track day or ride really hard in summer where the sportiest tires in GS sizes could get to their limits.
Also the geometry of the bike could be set a little more on the stable side which would be beneficial in high speed stability and fast corners and due to the 17" wheel building up gyro the bike could still handle as quick as the current GS does.At least in theory...
Because if you slap 17" wheels on a current GS you gain looks but loose ground clearance which is never good on a bike where you can already drag the pegs easily (GS without sports suspension) and of course you loose trail which decreases high speed stability (especially if you run with bags).
Anyways that is how I see it and from my experience after almost 40 seasons in the saddle !

Jesus wept, you are so tedious and repetitive!
Time you knuckled down and focussed on earning that crust to buy the tyres you need to replace those you wear out riding like a legend.

 

[BDG]

The rider is more important than the bike whether it be a GS or an SDR and some bikes suit some people and some don't. My R1 riding mate hated my 996SPS with a passion, I loved the SPS. Could it be that the SDR and Boxerlust didn't gel, especially on a test ride. I didn't like my GS that much at first. It took me a while for it to grow on me.

I reckon I'm a fairly competent experienced rider, IAM, CSS, track days etc, no doubt like many others on the forum; but my ex racer mate (who thinks the SDR is faster) can quite simply ride round the outside of me and disappear if and when he wants, irrespective of what bike I'm on. He has a far greater level of skill and is far more analytical. He doesn't ride like a loony as he's nothing to prove. One of our best ever rides together was on 690 singles with dual sport tyres riding back across France on bumpy D roads after an off road trip to the Alps. The point I'm trying to make is that riding a 65 bhp bike to the max was easier and therefore ultimately more rewarding than trying to wrestle a 180 bhp beast down said roads. Maybe a similar principle applies to riding a 135 bhp GS against a 180 bhp SDR, the GS may feel more rewarding even if the SDR is ultimately faster. Just another thought.

 

[Spareparts]

Spareparts you obviously don't have a clue and not ridden a 1290 SDR...Racing on the street is for idiots as fast on the street with one leg in the cemetary and the other one in jail is maybe 7/10th of fast track pace.Yes at CSS you can race they have a class for that but even in level 4 you don't ride with or behind a instructor but do your own thing and have a transponder giving you lap-times.So even if you are not racing you can still go as fast as you can and have the times to prove it...
As for the GS being perfect with 170-ish hp and 17" wheels let me explain to you...Of course a S1000RR will still be 40 kilos lighter and 40 hp more powerful on top and thus faster on the track.But this is not the point as we talk fast road-riding where upright seating position,high TORQUE and Telelever are bonus points for obvious reasons and 170 hp is enough to go fast and have an exiting top end unlike the KTM being twitchy and slow steering and wasting all that straight line power in wheelies...
Let me explain the benefits of 17" wheels for the GS...They obviously build up less gyro at higher speeds than 19" wheels as also you can get real good rubber like Conti Sport Attack 4 or Metzeler M9 Sportec not available in GS sizes if you want to go on a track day or ride really hard in summer where the sportiest tires in GS sizes could get to their limits.
Also the geometry of the bike could be set a little more on the stable side which would be beneficial in high speed stability and fast corners and due to the 17" wheel building up gyro the bike could still handle as quick as the current GS does.At least in theory...
Because if you slap 17" wheels on a current GS you gain looks but loose ground clearance which is never good on a bike where you can already drag the pegs easily (GS without sports suspension) and of course you loose trail which decreases high speed stability (especially if you run with bags).
Anyways that is how I see it and from my experience after almost 40 seasons in the saddle !

You were entertaining for about 1 post at the beginning of this thread as everyones eyes rolled (again). But this post makes you look and sound like an idiot. CSS does NOT allow you to race or go flat out. I say that as a previous CSS 'student of the day'. And if you think you are going flat out on a L4 CSS class... well, you're just not very fast. Geo/wheels/etc matters - but not at the level of a hobby rider like yourself, and certainly not when 2 bikes have 30hp difference between them. You call out minute differences on the GS (eg sports suspension, tyres, etc) as if it really makes a big difference when riding 7/10ths, boast of dragging pegs, and yet you disdain street racing as for idiots and keep referring to 'the times'. Which are you? I hit 51degrees of lean (before you tried competing in another thread) and can drag my pegs on both Karoo tyres and also PST2s on the road laden with luggage on tour. These are not brags. It does not make me a racer. The fast guys don't need to talk the BS you do.

Someone please lock this thread.

 

[Boxerlust]

BDG I agree with all you said except for one thing...I hated the 916-998 Ducatis too because they wee too stable.Hard work on roads...All I tried to say and reason for my posting before all these gurlz got their orange panties wet where how a bike so much superior on paper is actually slower and much harder to ride when the going gets twisty...The GS could use more power while the SDR has too much too sum it up.I could not believe how twitchy that thing felt at low speeds and how it felt like a ocean cruiser compared to a ski-boat at speeds above 65 mph...The GS is more stable and more agile at the same time and Telelever is only icing on the cake...THe GS definitely wins over the SDR on public roads.Otherwise you are not a good enough rider and only fast on straights relying on hp.I know these situations riding with guys on S1000XRs that will put the power down are agile and stable and will leave the SDR in the dust straight or curved roadsJA GS will do the same but don't try to win against KTM's on trackdays if longer straights are involved... It would be nice if BMW would solve that problem...
That's all I tried to say...

 

[RedRick Esq.]

BDG I agree with all you said except for one thing...I hated the 916-998 Ducatis too because they wee too stable.Hard work on roads...All I tried to say and reason for my posting before all these gurlz got their orange panties wet where how a bike so much superior on paper is actually slower and much harder to ride when the going gets twisty...The GS could use more power while the SDR has too much too sum it up.I could not believe how twitchy that thing felt at low speeds and how it felt like a ocean cruiser compared to a ski-boat at speeds above 65 mph...The GS is more stable and more agile at the same time and Telelever is only icing on the cake...THe GS definitely wins over the SDR on public roads.Otherwise you are not a good enough rider and only fast on straights relying on hp.I know these situations riding with guys on S1000XRs that will put the power down are agile and stable and will leave the SDR in the dust straight or curved roadsJA GS will do the same but don't try to win against KTM's on trackdays if longer straights are involved... It would be nice if BMW would solve that problem...
That's all I tried to say...

Is there any chance you could put these delusional rants into paragraphs with a bit of spacing so they are not so difficult to read then i can appreciate the joke

 

[Boxerlust]

Spareparts why don't you come out and let your right hand do the talking...CodeRace 2021 ? I rather rent a 2021 S1000RR with M-package than buy one... This is all the track riding I do too stay sharp 2-4 days a year.every year.Everything else gets too expensive...The rest is road riding for me on the GS which feels slow motion afterwards...But just as enjoyable for different reasons

 

[Spareparts]

Spareparts why don't you come out and let your right hand do the talking...CodeRace 2021 ? I rather rent a 2021 S1000RR with M-package than buy one... This is all the track riding I do too stay sharp 2-4 days a year.every year.Everything else gets too expensive...The rest is road riding for me on the GS which feels slow motion afterwards...But just as enjoyable for different reasons

Despite your tempting invite to NorCal (it is tempting for other reasons beyond bike riding), I have no interest or need to prove you to be slower than you pretend or think you are. Thank you for the invite.

 

[dean0n0]

Would I be guilty of stereotyping if I put this forward as a perfect example of a gobby yank?