Thanks for the answer...Let the good times roll...
Never , they will always hang you , have a good Christmas and New Year and keep the faith ....... we are all tossers but some seem to push the limits at times.
2020 KTM 1290 Superduke vs 2019 1250 GS-HP
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Never , they will always hang you , have a good Christmas and New Year and keep the faith ....... we are all tossers but some seem to push the limits at times.
Stick , you got that right ! I will go to mexico in january and have already the PST2 on Can't wait !...Could not get CTA3 as they must be very popular.The CRA3 probably would not last the whole trip.In spring I plan to try the all new Metzeler Tourance Next 2 to see how they compare to the benchmark / CTA3. All the best to you and have a Merry Christmas and a great and healthy riding season in 2021... It can only get worse...
Who knows maybe by then we get 4 more years of Trump despite the fake-election and the EU/Nato will be gone thanks to Brexit and with that the I.C.E. killing regulations and we live in free & sovereign nations like last in 1933-45 before the banksters took over...
And always remember...Don't get duked...
It can only get worse...Who knows maybe by then we get 4 more years of Trump despite the fake-election and the EU/Nato will be gone thanks to Brexit and with that the I.C.E. killing regulations and we live in free & sovereign nations like last in 1933-45 before the banksters took over...
And always remember...Don't get duked...
how old are you? Crosby used to race in 500GP
clearly he's in front of Barry Sheene in that shot, maybe the Transatlantic trophy series... He was always out front but didn't win, I guess he frazzled the tyres and brakes and went backwards as the races went on.
I did put this link in when I posted my reply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Crosby
clearly he's in front of Barry Sheene in that shot, maybe the Transatlantic trophy series... He was always out front but didn't win, I guess he frazzled the tyres and brakes and went backwards as the races went on.
I did put this link in when I posted my reply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Crosby
Botus I was 12 when Roberts & Sheene duked it out in 500GP...
But I can't remember when fully faired 500cc 2-strokes ran against naked street bikes with 4-stroke engines...
Only 4 stroke I remember was Hondas ill fated attempt to come back to 500GP with their oval-piston 4-stroke desaster...Many moons ago long time before I started loving BMW Boxers with Telelever front ends still riding inline-fours from Japan thinking this is the stuff of dreams... Like these KTM ready to race gurlz today soon joined by the MS V-4 crowd to get back on topic...
But I can't remember when fully faired 500cc 2-strokes ran against naked street bikes with 4-stroke engines...
Only 4 stroke I remember was Hondas ill fated attempt to come back to 500GP with their oval-piston 4-stroke desaster...Many moons ago long time before I started loving BMW Boxers with Telelever front ends still riding inline-fours from Japan thinking this is the stuff of dreams...
Like these KTM ready to race gurlz today soon joined by the MS V-4 crowd to get back on topic...I do agree that these guys were good at what they did, riding their bikes, but that does not mean that the racers of today are not good at what they do.
I do not agree that the older bikes where better than the modern bikes.
I happen to have both, a bike from the -70's as well as modern bikes. And comparing old to new is like comparing an elephant to a racehorse. EVERYTHING is better on the new bikes.
And I think the same goes for the riders. While they where skilled elephant-riders, their elephant-skills will not serve them if they where to ride a race-horse. And vice versa for riders of modern bikes.
It boils down to that they are/were all good in their time, but that's it.
Are you saying that Agostini, Hailwood, Sheene, Roberts et al wouldn't be able to ride a modern Moto GP bike? Utter nonsense. They rode what they had, which was state of the art for its day. If any of them, or others too many to name, had been racing today, they would have been winning.
I suspect that Marquez and many others might have been quite handy on an old 500, had they been brought up in that era.
I suspect that Marquez and many others might have been quite handy on an old 500, had they been brought up in that era.
Of course they would be able to drive the modern bikes. But Marques would be riding circles around them. Not because they did not have skills, but bikes with electronics require a different skill, likewise, riding an old bike, Agostine etc would be riding circles around the 'modern' guys, since they are brought up riding the electronic bikes.
There is a time and a place for everything....
the world went mad... bike racing its now ONLY about marketing and playstationtastic kids with no brain...
to compete in the race it must have an idiot on board. The more brain dead the better, if he's small enough and light enough, it helps the aerodynamics, and helps get the bike leant over more than a normal sized rider can. Then we let computers do the clever stuff with understeering, super glue tyre'd, computer guided crap. Add one brain dead pretend biker, who just has to operate the "switch" on the right handlebar to cover the rule book (he probably doesn't even understand what its for). Then we fall asleep as the electronic billboard wins the race. The winner is exclusively driven by who paid off whom the most.
In the old days it was fairly normal sized guys, on dangerous death traps. The winner was all about who could feel the grip and had the ability to modulate the right throttle grip before the track or the bike killed you. Then we went to the 80's and 90's and the power went lunatictastic, with a recalcitrant power curve that needed a super human and very brave nut job to balance death vs speedway.
If marques went on a 500 gp from the Lawson / Schwantz era he'd be dead or 5 seconds off the pace. Rossi's talent was in both camps, but he has been deliberarlty held back with tyres that can only last if you are 15kg lighter than he is.
Time we brought in tyres for two races, 20mpg min, and minimum 100kg rider weight (before race suit and lid)
I completely disagree with what you guys say ! MotoGP bikes today have probably 260-300 hp and a very small contact patch to put this power down.Without the electronics these bikes would be unrideable as you can see even with the electronics there are still nasty highside crashes...And for Marquez / Honda I say only this.Honda does not build good bikes as you can see last year with Marquez on board they were dominant.This year without marquez Honda is nowhere.So it is still the RIDER and not the bike.And as for Marquez , this guy is on another level and makes the rest of the guys look like fast group track-day riders...Marquez is the only guy that slides the front into the front-wheel into the turn without crashing fast and hard on the brakes where no traction control can help him and than from the apex on spinning the rear without highsiding every lap and fast corner...No other guy can do this or has done this ever before...It will be hard to improve on this level or for the manufacturers to develop traction-control for the front or at least a device showing where front wheel reaches it's limit of adhesion...
The holy grail of cornering is the black art of frame flex, but only where nature wants it and not where most engineers think it is. The company that first got this was Honda, hence the many years of success (they got that from Rossi who used to take a hacksaw with him when the new frames came out so he could build in the flex where he wanted), the one's that wouldn't listen to the riders were Ducati where the silly engine stops the wobble and it can't corner. Its also why the GS is such a success, by luck they hit on a way that works.
As for the big numbers now, yes current stuff makes bigger numbers but using very expensive engine management with a 10k wide powerband that in many ways your grandmother could cope with. Add that to a batch off very clever electronics Ferrari make to manage the power reaching the back wheel, plus the super glue last for 15 lap rubber (with a normal sized rider) but use a 6kg idiot for the switch and you just get to the end as the winner.
Yamaha have been determined to use Japanese software and its useless. Rossi can't help as he's an old man and with trash understeer rubber even he can't give enough info to develop the bike. Its much the same I suspect with Honda, Marquez couldn't develop a bike as has no idea what he's doing, so Honda went backwards and as they aren't using European software they are nowhere at all
Marques sliding the front... is what modern bike tyres do - hence my understeer comments - horrible way to do things, slow and nasty for people that can't ride or drive.
There were exceptions to some of the points I put, like where Stoner won , but that was the Ferrari engine tweaks that made the thing a rocket ship of biblical proportions. He'd come out of the corners holding everyone up wobbling about, then put 200m on them down the straights.
As for the big numbers now, yes current stuff makes bigger numbers but using very expensive engine management with a 10k wide powerband that in many ways your grandmother could cope with. Add that to a batch off very clever electronics Ferrari make to manage the power reaching the back wheel, plus the super glue last for 15 lap rubber (with a normal sized rider) but use a 6kg idiot for the switch and you just get to the end as the winner.
Yamaha have been determined to use Japanese software and its useless. Rossi can't help as he's an old man and with trash understeer rubber even he can't give enough info to develop the bike. Its much the same I suspect with Honda, Marquez couldn't develop a bike as has no idea what he's doing, so Honda went backwards and as they aren't using European software they are nowhere at all
Marques sliding the front... is what modern bike tyres do - hence my understeer comments - horrible way to do things, slow and nasty for people that can't ride or drive.
There were exceptions to some of the points I put, like where Stoner won , but that was the Ferrari engine tweaks that made the thing a rocket ship of biblical proportions. He'd come out of the corners holding everyone up wobbling about, then put 200m on them down the straights.
A few things are obvious...Nobody knows where the holy grail of frame technology is because for all the manufacturers it is hit or miss...Fast engines they all can build with the europeans like also in Formula ! having an edge over the japanese.
Without Marquez Honda is nowhere as Honda could not score a single win but Suzuki out of nowhere took the title and Ducati,KTM and Yamaha also scored wins...
So it comes down to the Riders who are modern gladiators putting their lives on the line
Marquez being a class of his own as he can brake so late and hard to the apex that his front wheel leaves black marks into the turns...He makes even a guy like Rossi look like a fast group trackday rider...A guy like him comes around maybe every 25 years...Even modern electronics can do only so much as Lorenzo had a few career ending highsides on his Ducati and the guy is smooth as silk.AS also the electronics they use in MotoGP is at a much higher level than the stuff that is commercially available in the showrooms as also the tires once heated up are at a whole different level too.And these guys still crash...That shows it is Rider 1 and technology Zero...
It's the fiddler not the fiddle that makes the music back then and still today !
Same is true in WSBK where Jonny Rea would probably win on a Schwinn if he would his ride on the Krapasaki...
Same with Ben Spiess 10 years before where it won in his first season on tracks he had never seen before and made guys like Sykes look like bloody amateurs...Or watch Troy Corser still ripping it up on the S1000/M1000RR...
Amazing !
Without Marquez Honda is nowhere as Honda could not score a single win but Suzuki out of nowhere took the title and Ducati,KTM and Yamaha also scored wins...
So it comes down to the Riders who are modern gladiators putting their lives on the line
Marquez being a class of his own as he can brake so late and hard to the apex that his front wheel leaves black marks into the turns...He makes even a guy like Rossi look like a fast group trackday rider...A guy like him comes around maybe every 25 years...Even modern electronics can do only so much as Lorenzo had a few career ending highsides on his Ducati and the guy is smooth as silk.AS also the electronics they use in MotoGP is at a much higher level than the stuff that is commercially available in the showrooms as also the tires once heated up are at a whole different level too.And these guys still crash...That shows it is Rider 1 and technology Zero...
It's the fiddler not the fiddle that makes the music back then and still today !
Same is true in WSBK where Jonny Rea would probably win on a Schwinn if he would his ride on the Krapasaki...
Same with Ben Spiess 10 years before where it won in his first season on tracks he had never seen before and made guys like Sykes look like bloody amateurs...Or watch Troy Corser still ripping it up on the S1000/M1000RR...
Amazing !
for me Marquez is like Schumacher, naturally talented, but a horrible cheat
a few examples
he cuts up other riders all day long, and the cheats running the sport side with him (the amount of races I'd have black flagged the cheat from is huge)
he colluded with Lorenzo the very opposition he should have been sworn enemies with, to mange the last 3 races of one season to stop rossi winning a championship
when he cut up Rossi lap after lap to let Lorenzo get half a lap lead (and get that championship) and rossi politely ran the cheat to the side of the road to say "play fair", the retard couldn't even remember how to ride a bike at slow speed, and fell off on his own. Then made out some bloke's knee that just brushed his leg caused it. And of course with Schumacher style rubbish the wrong guy got the penalty
if we move to one time world champion Schumacher, 5 alleged championships where blatant cheating and the 6th I forget the exact circumstances but he was up to mischief then as well.
When you are one of the best on the track, with the best equipment your sportsmanship can be the highest out there. It should never be the lowest the sport has ever seen.
a few examples
he cuts up other riders all day long, and the cheats running the sport side with him (the amount of races I'd have black flagged the cheat from is huge)
he colluded with Lorenzo the very opposition he should have been sworn enemies with, to mange the last 3 races of one season to stop rossi winning a championship
when he cut up Rossi lap after lap to let Lorenzo get half a lap lead (and get that championship) and rossi politely ran the cheat to the side of the road to say "play fair", the retard couldn't even remember how to ride a bike at slow speed, and fell off on his own. Then made out some bloke's knee that just brushed his leg caused it. And of course with Schumacher style rubbish the wrong guy got the penalty
if we move to one time world champion Schumacher, 5 alleged championships where blatant cheating and the 6th I forget the exact circumstances but he was up to mischief then as well.
When you are one of the best on the track, with the best equipment your sportsmanship can be the highest out there. It should never be the lowest the sport has ever seen.
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Did you cry when Lorenzo won that Championship?
that's a very puerile response.
I used to enjoy watching skilled human's operating machinery as multiple elements contrived to kill them. Now its just attempting to stay awake failing to observe the effects of a software engineer. Its less interesting and far less useful for society
allowing dwarfs or school boys is a strange idea, we used to have weight limits and Pedrosa was under weight for 350GP racing
Rider Weight (Kg) Height (cm)
Rossi 75 182
Spies 71 180
Hayden 69 173
Vermeulen 68 177
Crutchlow 66 171
Edwards 66 179
Lorenzo 65 172
Marquez 65 169
de Puniet 62 169
Bautista 59 167
Capirossi 59 165
Stoner 58 171
Elias 57 163
Dovizioso 54 165
Pedrosa 51 160
Mean 63 171
I used to enjoy watching skilled human's operating machinery as multiple elements contrived to kill them. Now its just attempting to stay awake failing to observe the effects of a software engineer. Its less interesting and far less useful for society
allowing dwarfs or school boys is a strange idea, we used to have weight limits and Pedrosa was under weight for 350GP racing
Rider Weight (Kg) Height (cm)
Rossi 75 182
Spies 71 180
Hayden 69 173
Vermeulen 68 177
Crutchlow 66 171
Edwards 66 179
Lorenzo 65 172
Marquez 65 169
de Puniet 62 169
Bautista 59 167
Capirossi 59 165
Stoner 58 171
Elias 57 163
Dovizioso 54 165
Pedrosa 51 160
Mean 63 171
Its Wayne Gardner on the Moriwaki Kawasaki in that pic - I saw him destroy the field on that bike at Oulton Park
Thanks for the info !
Botus I'm with you...Marquez has outer worldly talents but as a sportsman he sucks.After what he did to Rossi I was done with being a fan of MotoGP in general...Schumacher was probably the best on 4 wheels but still a sportsman that left others not much of a chance.But still fair & square...Marquez thinks he is the center of the universe and has no manners or respect to the life or well being of others...MotoGP without him was much more interesting
Arsey it looks like you are missing out on another great Mexico trip...
And yes the M1300GS/R1300XR with 160 hp and 17" will be awesome and be mich better than any 1290 KTM or V-4 Multistrada
Merry Christmas to All you guys !
Botus I'm with you...Marquez has outer worldly talents but as a sportsman he sucks.After what he did to Rossi I was done with being a fan of MotoGP in general...Schumacher was probably the best on 4 wheels but still a sportsman that left others not much of a chance.But still fair & square...Marquez thinks he is the center of the universe and has no manners or respect to the life or well being of others...MotoGP without him was much more interesting
Arsey it looks like you are missing out on another great Mexico trip...
And yes the M1300GS/R1300XR with 160 hp and 17" will be awesome and be mich better than any 1290 KTM or V-4 Multistrada
Merry Christmas to All you guys !
Have a good Christmas you crazy Californian nut job
Arsey if you have a chance maybe you can scan the MCN and Ride articles in...1250GS vs 1250 R / Telelever versus fork and 1250GS vs 1290 Superadv-S...Interesting reads !
Fly to San Diego , I give you a ride to Tijuana where your 1200GS-ADV is waiting for you...From there to C.S.L. and back...2500 miles of fun Bring Stick...
Geteilte Freude ist doppelte Freude
Die Boxerlust auf der Baja erleben...
Merry Christmas & a happy new Year !
Fly to San Diego , I give you a ride to Tijuana where your 1200GS-ADV is waiting for you...From there to C.S.L. and back...2500 miles of fun
Bring Stick...Geteilte Freude ist doppelte Freude
Die Boxerlust auf der Baja erleben...
Merry Christmas & a happy new Year !
