2024 Himalayan 450

[MotoRevive]

I didn't call you a pleb. But I wish I had...

You're throwing insults and insinuation around because people far more experienced and qualified than you don't agree with your narrative.

No one is saying your bike is crap. It's just not as good as one that costs twice as much when it comes to the quality of components and the refinement of design. You're arguing that it is. And I'm telling you that you're wrong. Because you are.

Your arguing that just because something once broke on your V-strom ! Which may have just been bolted on incorrectly. Or whatever.

I could write you a twenty volume chronicle of the things that broke on modern Enfields. Or any of the other Home bargain bikes.

You also don't understand that there are many variants of the 'brands' you see on cheaps bikes.

There is Bosch from Germany. And there is their 'third world's version. Same with calipers, suspension etc. A showa sticker doesn't mean it's made in Japan etc.

If you had any experience or wisdom on the matter (which you clearly fucking don't. And sorry. YouTube doesn't count), then you wouldn't be spouting the utter shite you are.

You come across as the type of idiot who would argue with his doctor because you have the Holby City box set on VHS and you did a first aid course in school.

Go for ride. You need to calm down.

And don't forget your AA card.

 

[Arsey]

I didn't call you a pleb. But I wish I had...

You're throwing insults and insinuation around because people far more experienced and qualified than you don't agree with your narrative.

No one is saying your bike is crap. It's just not as good as one that costs twice as much when it comes to the quality of components and the refinement of design. You're arguing that it is. And I'm telling you that you're wrong. Because you are.

Your arguing that just because something once broke on your V-strom ! Which may have just been bolted on incorrectly. Or whatever.

I could write you a twenty volume chronicle of the things that broke on modern Enfields. Or any of the other Home bargain bikes.

You also don't understand that there are many variants of the 'brands' you see on cheaps bikes.

There is Bosch from Germany. And there is their 'third world's version. Same with calipers, suspension etc. A showa sticker doesn't mean it's made in Japan etc.

If you had any experience or wisdom on the matter (which you clearly fucking don't. And sorry. YouTube doesn't count), then you wouldn't be spouting the utter shite you are.

You come across as the type of idiot who would argue with his doctor because you have the Holby City box set on VHS and you did a first aid course in school.

Go for ride. You need to calm down.

And don't forget your AA card.

Not that busy then .

Ok, clever clogs, what’s your view on the Voge v GS comparison above ?
Are you saying that the KYB suspension , Brembo brakes and Bosch electronics that are on both bikes and assembled in the same factory in China are somehow different ? If they are the same then how can BMW justify charging double for 80% the same bike ?

And tell me where I was throwing insults ? The only one throwing insults here is you .

BTW, don’t know what went wrong with my Vstrom yet you can just dismiss it out of hand .

 

[MotoRevive]

Not that busy then .

Ok, clever clogs, what’s your view on the Voge v GS comparison above ?
Are you saying that the KYB suspension , Brembo brakes and Bosch electronics that are on both bikes and assembled in the same factory in China are somehow different ? If they are the same then how can BMW justify charging double for 80% the same bike ?

BMW doesn't really belong in this argument. Because I will agree that you massively pay for that badge on the tank. It's a prestige brand.

I was the biggest critic of their 310. Which was a £3000 bike that cost £7000.

Although I don't think the Voge and the 900GS are identical bikes. I'm pretty certain they aren't. Even though they may share some components. I haven't worked on that Voge so I can't really say.

I'm not really a fan of any of the Chinese BMWs. Since all I seemed to do at the last BMW main dealer last year is change leaking water pumps on them.

 

[Arsey]

BMW doesn't really belong in this argument. Because I will agree that you massively pay for that badge on the tank. It's a prestige brand.

I was the biggest Critic of their 310. Which was a £3000 bike that cost £7000.

Although I don't think the Voge and the 900GS are identical bikes. I'm pretty certain they aren't even though they may share some components. I haven't worked on a Vogue so I can't really say.

I'm not really a fan of any of the Chinese BMWs. Since all I seemed to do at the last BMW main dealer last year is change leaking water pumps on them.

I have a Voge 900 and my brother has a new F900GS.
I’ve had them side by side and from the waist down they are virtually identical .
The GS has a tad more poke as the Voge is slightly down on power to make it A2 compliant but other than that …..different plastics/clocks etc but pretty much the same bike.

My brother paid £11250 for his and it has a quick shifter and heated grips…..that’s it…no main stand ….nothing .

My Voge has

Heated grips
Heated seat
Cruise
Quick shifter
TPMS
Blind spot detection
Main stand
Front camera
Three box ally luggage
LED spots

And probably more I’ve forgotten. Cost me £7800……

 

[MotoRevive]

I have a Voge 900 and my brother has a new F900GS.
I’ve had them side by side and from the waist down they are virtually identical .
The GS has a tad more poke as the Voge is slightly down on power to make it A2 compliant but other than that …..different plastics/clocks etc but pretty much the same bike.

My brother paid £11250 for his and it has a quick shifter and heated grips…..that’s it…no main stand ….nothing .

My Voge has

Heated grips
Heated seat
Cruise
Quick shifter
TPMS
Blind spot detection
Main stand
Front camera
Three box ally luggage
LED spots

And probably more I’ve forgotten. Cost me £7800……

You must be ecstatic. I know I'm nursing a semi just thinking about it.

 

[Arsey]

You must be ecstatic. I know I'm nursing a semi just thinking about it.

This will tip you over the edge

 

[Posh Pete]

Chacun a son gout!

I was going to write a 7k / one year appreciation for my local IAM mag. (It'll get published as I'm the editor. ).

I think I now have a title and a theme!

 

[Arsey]

Chacun a son gout!

I was going to write a 7k / one year appreciation for my local IAM mag. (It'll get published as I'm the editor. ).

I think I now have a title and a theme!

 

[Wapping]

My 450 Himalayan scrubbed up a treat, after 2,000 miles or so around France and Belgium.




I’ll be taking it off to France, Belgium and Germany again, next week. That is in preference to my 1600 uber-panzer.

Problems with the 450?

The phone has never linked to the display. I’ll have that mended whenever it is the service is due.

Mine is the tubed tyre version. I am not frightened by tubed tyres. However, a set of genuine Royal Enfield gold tubed, wheels, discs, rear spacer and cush drives (imported directly from India) are so cheap, that I’ll probably buy a set.

I, along with my RE dealership (the excellent, no frills, Bacon Kawasaki in Newbury Park) were deeply suspicious about the advert when we looked at it. But they took the plunge and ordered a set in, to see if they are legit. If they are, they’ll order in more sets.

The order went in on Friday afternoon and arrived this morning in east London, all the way from India. The wheels and parts are all legit, identical to a UK spec bike in their showroom. They’ll fit them next week on a secondhand 450 tubed tyre demonstrator, just as a final check.

I can list the problems I have had with assorted BMW’s and (for that matter) a Porsche, whose value is many times that of any motorcycle.

The Indians have got it about right. Yes, they benefit from very low labour costs, but they are not (unlike the Chinese) copying established brand bikes. They (the Indians) have made an effort to design (with help) very decent bikes. I’d buy another, very happily. In fact, if this morning’s ride on a 650 Bear was anything to go by, that might be reasonably soon.

 

[Arsey]

My 450 Himalayan scrubbed up a treat, after 2,000 miles or so around France and Belgium.

Problems with it?

The phone has never linked to the display. I’ll have that mended whenever it is the service is due.

Mine is the tubed tyre version. I am not frightened by tubed tyres. However, a set of genuine Royal Enfield gold tubed, wheels, discs, rear spacer and cush drives (imported directly from India) are so cheap, that I’ll probably buy a set.

I, along with my RE dealership (the excellent, no frills, Bacon Kawasaki in Newbury Park) were deeply suspicious about the advert when we looked at it. But they took the plunge and ordered a set in, to see if they are legit. If they are, they’ll order in more sets.

The order went in on Friday afternoon and arrived this morning in east London.

I can list the problems I have had with assorted BMW’s and (for that matter) a Porsche, whose value is many times that of any motorcycle.

The Indians have got it about right. Yes, they benefit from very low labour costs, but they are not (unlike the Chinese) copying established brand bikes. They (the Indians) have made an effort to design (with help) very decent bikes. I’d buy another, very happily. In fact, if this morning’s ride on a 650 Bear was anything to go by, that might be reasonably soon.

Did you mean a set of tubeless wheels to order in ?

Think the upcoming Himmy 750 might be a gem too

 

[AdrianS]

The problem with spending a lot of money on a bike is that you have to love it, just because you have spent a lot on it, to justify the expense. Like most things in life, the more you spend , the more you have to justify that expense by praising it up ....................................................................... until the novelty wears off and a change is made! ( if you understand what I mean).

 

[Arsey]

The problem with spending a lot of money on a bike is that you have to love it, just because you have spent a lot on it, to justify the expense. Like most things in life, the more you spend , the more you have to justify that expense by praising it up ....................................................................... until the novelty wears off and a change is made! ( if you understand what I mean).

Not a clue

My mate’s just ordered a bike and the optional exhaust system cost more than my Himmy.

 

[Doc]

Not a clue

My mate’s just ordered a bike and the optional exhaust system cost more than my Himmy.

Me neither

 

[AdrianS]

Ha Ha!
People always big up what they have splashed out on to justify the expense.

 

[Wapping]

Did you mean a set of tubeless wheels to order in ?

Think the upcoming Himmy 750 might be a gem too

Indeed, I did.

 

[Wreford Miles]

This is a nice review

 

[Wapping]

Ha Ha!
People always big up what they have splashed out on to justify the expense.

At least with the Himalayan (and possibly the latest Chinese bikes *) the splash isn’t of tsunami proportions. The outright price is less than the deposit on many ‘main stream’ bikes. The day-to-day running costs, considerably lower.


* I haven’t looked at them in any detail, not least as I am not in the market for a new bike.

 

[Wapping]

Think the upcoming Himmy 750 might be a gem too

It’ll be interesting (in a bikermate way) to see it. The twin engine is well known and has, in its smaller capacity form, proved reliable / popular. Pricing? An unknown but, I guess, competitive. Only snobbery and a reluctance to even consider ‘Packy shite’ * will hold it back…. Assuming Royal Enfield don’t somehow contrive to launch a lemon.

* Yup, I know, Royal Enfield are Indian.

 

[Oldrat]

This is a nice review

Great vid, a useful real world review, thanks for sharing @Wreford Miles

 

[Posh Pete]

I did 220 miles on the 450 yesterday. When I got home, the fuel countdown was at 11 miles. I know from a previous test that I can get at least 20 miles after that. So that's a range of 250 miles before reaching "wing and a prayer" time.

It was a brisk run around the borders in the company of bikes mostly twice the capacity and more, none of whom were hanging about. The bike was not disgraced in that company by any means.

The bike's mpg display never dropped below 75 (normally in the mid to upper 80s.)