………I’m at least 33.
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3 season trousers that don't boil your nadgers in summer?...
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That's the only thing that might put me off unless they had mislabelled yours by mistake, but nothing surprises me when it comes to Euro sizing of motorcycle clothing. It's all over the place...it's as if they all interpret tape measurements differently!
You should be able to order 34 short though. Think that’s your size
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Just looked at the Klim guide which makes no sense at all. Their sizing doesn't related to the waist size. A Klim size 34 they say has a waist measurement of 99-102cm = 38.9 to 40.1" 
...unless you choose EU sizing in which case it's a 25 (50 short) which measures 36.2" waist and 31.9" inseam which is what I'd normally buy.
Go figure. Their sizing department must have been smoking something pungent when they came up with that guide!
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So going off sportsbikeshop's sizing availability I'd be ordering a 32! (except that I wouldn't because the hip size would then be too tight) so looks like it's sizing is a lottery. Get something that fits your hip size and it could be inches too large for your waist size. Order your correct waist size and they then might not fit anyway. Looks like they're cut for taller, skinnier frames.
...unless you choose EU sizing in which case it's a 25 (50 short) which measures 36.2" waist and 31.9" inseam which is what I'd normally buy.
Go figure. Their sizing department must have been smoking something pungent when they came up with that guide!
Klim Size Chart
So going off sportsbikeshop's sizing availability I'd be ordering a 32! (except that I wouldn't because the hip size would then be too tight) so looks like it's sizing is a lottery. Get something that fits your hip size and it could be inches too large for your waist size. Order your correct waist size and they then might not fit anyway. Looks like they're cut for taller, skinnier frames.
Just looked at the Klim guide which makes no sense at all. Their sizing doesn't related to the waist size. A Klim size 34 they say has a waist measurement of 99-102cm = 38.9 to 40.1"
...unless you choose EU sizing in which case it's a 25 (50 short) which measures 36.2" waist and 31.9" inseam which is what I'd normally buy.
Go figure. Their sizing department must have been smoking something pungent when they came up with that guide!
Klim Size Chart
So going off sportsbikeshop's sizing availability I'd be ordering a 32! (except that I wouldn't because the hip size would then be too tight) so looks like it's sizing is a lottery. Get something that fits your hip size and it could be inches too large for your waist size. Order your correct waist size and they then might not fit anyway. Looks like they're cut for taller, skinnier frames.
Jump on scooter and go try on
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Revit stuff good too. Sportbikeshop has a bunch of theirs.
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Discovered they had a Bristol store about a half hour drive away so I'll ride down there during the week to try the 34's on as feedback online suggests they're about right, despite the size chart which just serves to confuse! Then riding an hour North to try the Knox ones.
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I’d be interested in hearing how it goes
I have a pair of Klim Marrakech trousers. I also have a pair of Rokker single layer non- waterproof jeans. The Rokkers are waaaay better than the Marrakech trousers when it’s hot and dry in fact the Rokkers are better in just about every circumstance except damp drizzly weather on the bike. Here I can wear the Marrakech trousers without waterproofs as they have this amazing property of being light-drizzle proof. It’s not until water is spraying up from the road do I bother with overtrousers. The Marrakech trousers also dry super fast. The Rokker jeans though do just what jeans do in damp weather - get wet through quite quickly and then stay damp forever.
Off the bike the Rokker jeans are just better. Period. Especially so when it’s hot.
Off the bike the Rokker jeans are just better. Period. Especially so when it’s hot.
Well, having already owned a number of jeans, I know when they get wet, they stay wet longer and get cold plus the single layer ones I looked at wouldn't go over my boots, and felt uncomfortable tucked in.
I visited the Bristol store of sportsbikeshop today and despite their website giving completely the wrong postcode (!), thanks to a friendly driving instructor, I found my way there (postcode takes you to the old Filton small shopping retail park, the one you want is the larger newer Abbey Wood Retail park).
The staff were very friendly and suggested I try on several other makes to compare in a similar spec jacket if I wanted to consider moving to a lighter better vented jacket. They had Rukka and RST, Klim, Oxford and a few other in store brands. They hardly keep any of the upper tier trousers in stock...you have to order in what you want to try and then visit.
First up, the Marrakesh Trousers. The 34 Short were bang on perfect for me. About 31.5 to 32 inseam and a comfortable fit on my slightly under 36 waist. T hey would probably fit a 34 but would be a little loose. If you're a 35 to 36.5, they'll be perfect.
Comfort wise, they were amazing. Light, really good slender fit, well cut and shaped and with surprisingly good protection. The only reservation was despite the protection rating, the ghost armour which in these I think might be CE level 1, was so thin I thought it wasn't fitted until checking! I'll probably swap them out for the level 2. They matched well with my Halvarsson's prime jacket too which was a bonus.
Next was the new Mk3 Knox Urbane Pro jacket. Size large fitted me perfectly, if just a little too snug for my liking in the upper arms and chest. I'm a 42 chest and have fairly chunky shoulders and upper arms. The next size up would have been too long and I suspect not as snug which defeats the point. Armour felt more protective than the Marrakesh ghost armour in a reassuring way. The jacket was cut nice and low at the back which I liked and would resist riding up. It was very comfortable despite being snug and had a really good selection of internal and external pockets including one for a mobile phone.
This was part of their seasons line and is meant to be worn with a snug hoody over the top when it gets chilly and a waterproof over jacket for wet weather. Similar to the Marrakesh jacket in a way but more snug fitting. The abrasion resistance was the same at double A rated and construction was nice and robust. My only reservation is if you did take a spill on roads and hit gravel, the mesh openings were large enough to allow small sharper gravel to penetrate, something the Marrakesh jacket offered better protection for. However, it was a full £150 cheaper and SBS offered a discount on the knox stuff whereas they don't on Klim clothing as they don't get as good a deal on it.
Overall, for the purposes of year round riding in comfort, the Klim gear won out for me and I paid up and walked out with the Marrakesh trousers. The price stung a bit but long run it'll pay for itself and is quality gear. Build was a cut above the knox stuff and I'd say easily on a par with the Rukka gear they had in the shop.
This now means I'll be selling off half of my clothing which I no longer need so if in the market for decent leathers and a top spec RST Adventure Pro Mk2 suit, I'll be advertising those for sale shortly.
Thanks to all who contributed, especially to TIJ
I visited the Bristol store of sportsbikeshop today and despite their website giving completely the wrong postcode (!), thanks to a friendly driving instructor, I found my way there (postcode takes you to the old Filton small shopping retail park, the one you want is the larger newer Abbey Wood Retail park).
The staff were very friendly and suggested I try on several other makes to compare in a similar spec jacket if I wanted to consider moving to a lighter better vented jacket. They had Rukka and RST, Klim, Oxford and a few other in store brands. They hardly keep any of the upper tier trousers in stock...you have to order in what you want to try and then visit.
First up, the Marrakesh Trousers. The 34 Short were bang on perfect for me. About 31.5 to 32 inseam and a comfortable fit on my slightly under 36 waist. T hey would probably fit a 34 but would be a little loose. If you're a 35 to 36.5, they'll be perfect.
Comfort wise, they were amazing. Light, really good slender fit, well cut and shaped and with surprisingly good protection. The only reservation was despite the protection rating, the ghost armour which in these I think might be CE level 1, was so thin I thought it wasn't fitted until checking! I'll probably swap them out for the level 2. They matched well with my Halvarsson's prime jacket too which was a bonus.
Next was the new Mk3 Knox Urbane Pro jacket. Size large fitted me perfectly, if just a little too snug for my liking in the upper arms and chest. I'm a 42 chest and have fairly chunky shoulders and upper arms. The next size up would have been too long and I suspect not as snug which defeats the point. Armour felt more protective than the Marrakesh ghost armour in a reassuring way. The jacket was cut nice and low at the back which I liked and would resist riding up. It was very comfortable despite being snug and had a really good selection of internal and external pockets including one for a mobile phone.
This was part of their seasons line and is meant to be worn with a snug hoody over the top when it gets chilly and a waterproof over jacket for wet weather. Similar to the Marrakesh jacket in a way but more snug fitting. The abrasion resistance was the same at double A rated and construction was nice and robust. My only reservation is if you did take a spill on roads and hit gravel, the mesh openings were large enough to allow small sharper gravel to penetrate, something the Marrakesh jacket offered better protection for. However, it was a full £150 cheaper and SBS offered a discount on the knox stuff whereas they don't on Klim clothing as they don't get as good a deal on it.
Overall, for the purposes of year round riding in comfort, the Klim gear won out for me and I paid up and walked out with the Marrakesh trousers. The price stung a bit but long run it'll pay for itself and is quality gear. Build was a cut above the knox stuff and I'd say easily on a par with the Rukka gear they had in the shop.
This now means I'll be selling off half of my clothing which I no longer need so if in the market for decent leathers and a top spec RST Adventure Pro Mk2 suit, I'll be advertising those for sale shortly.
Thanks to all who contributed, especially to TIJ
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Well, having already owned a number of jeans, I know when they get wet, they stay wet longer and get cold plus the single layer ones I looked at wouldn't go over my boots, and felt uncomfortable tucked in.
I visited the Bristol store of sportsbikeshop today and despite their website giving completely the wrong postcode (!), thanks to a friendly driving instructor, I found my way there (postcode takes you to the old Filton small shopping retail park, the one you want is the larger newer Abbey Wood Retail park).
The staff were very friendly and suggested I try on several other makes to compare in a similar spec jacket if I wanted to consider moving to a lighter better vented jacket. They had Rukka and RST, Klim, Oxford and a few other in store brands. They hardly keep any of the upper tier trousers in stock...you have to order in what you want to try and then visit.
First up, the Marrakesh Trousers. The 34 Short were bang on perfect for me. About 31.5 to 32 inseam and a comfortable fit on my slightly under 36 waist. T hey would probably fit a 34 but would be a little loose. If you're a 35 to 36.5, they'll be perfect.
Comfort wise, they were amazing. Light, really good slender fit, well cut and shaped and with surprisingly good protection. The only reservation was despite the protection rating, the ghost armour which in these I think might be CE level 1, was so thin I thought it wasn't fitted until checking! I'll probably swap them out for the level 2. They matched well with my Halvarsson's prime jacket too which was a bonus.
Next was the new Mk3 Knox Urbane Pro jacket. Size large fitted me perfectly, if just a little too snug for my liking in the upper arms and chest. I'm a 42 chest and have fairly chunky shoulders and upper arms. The next size up would have been too long and I suspect not as snug which defeats the point. Armour felt more protective than the Marrakesh ghost armour in a reassuring way. The jacket was cut nice and low at the back which I liked and would resist riding up. It was very comfortable despite being snug and had a really good selection of internal and external pockets including one for a mobile phone.
This was part of their seasons line and is meant to be worn with a snug hoody over the top when it gets chilly and a waterproof over jacket for wet weather. Similar to the Marrakesh jacket in a way but more snug fitting. The abrasion resistance was the same at double A rated and construction was nice and robust. My only reservation is if you did take a spill on roads and hit gravel, the mesh openings were large enough to allow small sharper gravel to penetrate, something the Marrakesh jacket offered better protection for. However, it was a full £150 cheaper and SBS offered a discount on the knox stuff whereas they don't on Klim clothing as they don't get as good a deal on it.
Overall, for the purposes of year round riding in comfort, the Klim gear won out for me and I paid up and walked out with the Marrakesh trousers. The price stung a bit but long run it'll pay for itself and is quality gear. Build was a cut above the knox stuff and I'd say easily on a par with the Rukka gear they had in the shop.
This now means I'll be selling off half of my clothing which I no longer need so if in the market for decent leathers and a top spec RST Adventure Pro Mk2 suit, I'll be advertising those for sale shortly.
Thanks to all who contributed, especially to TIJ
I’d stick with the ghost armour though. Part of the minimal charm of the Marrakesh. Besides, falling off at our age won’t feel good with any armour. At least you’ll be comfortable shiny side up
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In truth, any spill from a bike won't be good news already having spinal issues so the plan is NOT to fall off! I hear what yo're saying RE ghost armour, but it's so thin I wonder how on earth it protects anything? I'll look for some CE2 versions of the same stuff which should be a little thicker, just for peace of mind. Other than that, couldn't be happier with these. Just need to carry some lightweight over-trousers in the top box in case of a deluge.
It’s worth reading up on Ghost armour. It works on a different way to traditional armour. While still made of the D3O clever stuff its honeycomb structure spreads an impact over a wider area. Hence it can be thinner. Or something like that.
I fell off at about 55mph just over a week after buying my Marrakech suit. The trousers took the initial impact yet were intact afterwards. The hip Armour did its thing and the fabric was more melted than abraded. Jacket/armour on my right arm likewise. Klim honoured their crash guarantee and within a week or so I had a new suit in my hands. It’s an amazing suit. But, I stick with what I said earlier, single layer jeans are nicer to wear when it’s warm/hot and dry.
For cold weather I wear a pair of Montane Prism trousers underneath. Thin/slim, windproof, warm, light, simple, slippery outer.
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Cold weather is easier in some ways to deal with. I have my Halvarssons trousers for that and they're fine. Keep me warm and dry and are comfortable. I have what I need now so for the minute am more interesting in clearing out my M/C gear cupboard of things I no longer use than adding more, at least for now 
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@Morety Ghost armour is available in Level 2, too:
D3O<sup>®</sup> Ghost™ L2 Limb Protectors
D3O<sup>®</sup> Ghost™ L2 is the most flexible Level 2 limb protector range on the market. Includes maximum safety, breathability and comfort.
Also, SAS-TEC makes similarly thin armour that’s CE Level 2:
