A bit of security advice sought from “the collective”...

JulesDive said:
What disc locks are people using on the small rear disc ?


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I use the Oxford on the rear and a small xenon on the front, the rationale being it's harder to get at the rear one so that's where I put the stronger lock, the front they can cut through the disc with a portable angle grinder
 
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I think most people over think security. Despite reviews of different priced kit, statistically, it doesn't matter as much on the rating and price (up to a point) of whatever you use. What matters more is layered security. Statistically speaking, bikes using at least three layers of security, surprise surprise, are far less likely to get pinched than a bike using one top end product. Battery powered angle grinders using diamond cutters are no respector of price. I still use what I bought 20 odd years ago which includes a beefy older version of the excellent Abus vario granite 37/60 chain lock, and several hefty cable locks which fit neatly into the top box. Allows me to secure front disc, attach my bike to a mates, or better still, to an immovable object if handy. Thieves will not stop ti inspect in any detail what make of lock you might use but will look at how much you've used. No reason you can't buy a decent layered system for under £300. For the garage, I meant to uproot my Oxford "sold secure" ground anchor, but gave up trying to grind the anchors out after getting through several disc blades. Out of interest, I then tried cutting the main anchor, with no success at all. Those things are brilliant for garage use.
 
Morety said:
I think most people over think security. Despite reviews of different priced kit, statistically, it doesn't matter as much on the rating and price (up to a point) of whatever you use. What matters more is layered security. Statistically speaking, bikes using at least three layers of security, surprise surprise, are far less likely to get pinched than a bike using one top end product. Battery powered angle grinders using diamond cutters are no respector of price. I still use what I bought 20 odd years ago which includes a beefy older version of the excellent Abus vario granite 37/60 chain lock, and several hefty cable locks which fit neatly into the top box. Allows me to secure front disc, attach my bike to a mates, or better still, to an immovable object if handy. Thieves will not stop ti inspect in any detail what make of lock you might use but will look at how much you've used. No reason you can't buy a decent layered system for under £300. For the garage, I meant to uproot my Oxford "sold secure" ground anchor, but gave up trying to grind the anchors out after getting through several disc blades. Out of interest, I then tried cutting the main anchor, with no success at all. Those things are brilliant for garage use.
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Thank you for over thinking it on everyone’s behalf.
 
I use several of these
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And when I had my 1250 I came up with this but regretfully the new 13 has a much different
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I had a new bike nicked in London a few months ago (and exhaust end can more recently). Trackers and disc locks are a waste of money. Thieves removed tracker and cut through brake disc.

Now I use two chains. The larger one is permanently attached to the bike (see photo). I also use 3 hidden Apple tags. In the summer when the muffs aren’t fitted I also add a brake lever lock and alarm.
 

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Trackers do nothing to prevent theft, much beyond some thieves wondering if one is fitted, which explains why some stolen vehicles are ‘dumped’, the thieves waiting to see if anyone turns up to collect the tracked vehicle. As the name suggests, they can prove very successful in helping owners and / or the police track a stolen vehicle, leading to its recovery and maybe even the arrest of those involved.
 
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Wapping said:
Trackers do nothing to prevent theft, much beyond some thieves wondering if one is fitted, which explains why some stollen vehicles are ‘dumped’, the thieves waiting to see if anyone turns up to collect the tracked vehicle. As the name suggests, they can prove very successful in helping owners and / or the police track a stolen vehicle, leading to its recovery and maybe even the arrest of those involved.
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I agree with every word of that


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Wapping said:
Trackers do nothing to prevent theft, much beyond some thieves wondering if one is fitted, which explains why some stolen vehicles are ‘dumped’, the thieves waiting to see if anyone turns up to collect the tracked vehicle. As the name suggests, they can prove very successful in helping owners and / or the police track a stolen vehicle, leading to its recovery and maybe even the arrest of those involved.
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Agreed, for cars but not bikes. They took my bike and then parked up a mile away, removed the tracker within 30 mins, dumped it in the road and went on their way. I complained to the tracker company and never got a response. Why are they so easily found and removed?
 
retskcid said:
Agreed, for cars but not bikes. They took my bike and then parked up a mile away, removed the tracker within 30 mins, dumped it in the road and went on their way. I complained to the tracker company and never got a response. Why are they so easily found and removed?
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Why didn’t your tracker notify you and the police within the 30 minute period? Mine does, as soon as the vehicle moves, whether it be car or motorcycle. The first call is to me. their second to the police.
 
Wapping said:
Why didn’t your tracker notify you and the police within the 30 minute period? Mine does, as soon as the vehicle moves, whether it be car or motorcycle. The first call is to me. their second to the police.
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They did but by the time the police got to the location the tracker was removed and they found it in the road.
 
steve g said:
Ive gone for a Roadlok and had Cymarc modify my centre stand so its padlocked when on the centre stand and only takes a moment to fit the padlock. Served me well on a recent around Europe trip.
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Thanks pal I’m pleased something I designed might have helped you keep your bike!


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And as an aside - it’s a good thread where we discuss the merits of various options and share experiences.

I had my garage broken into, thankfully the bike didn’t go, and the building is now surrounded by chest high military standard coils of razor wire (seriously).

But going back to the ‘as an aside’ wouldn’t it be great to catch some of these pieces of sh1te in action and have some ‘special time’ with them for a while?

I know I’m likely to get lambasted by the tree hugging woke community for just ‘thinking’ something bad for the poor little babies who steal our bikes or even arrested by the fuzz for a ‘thinking hate crime’ but just the thought of proper punishment would be so so nice.

I did read on a stolen bikes website of some poor baby who stole a bike but then was involved in a very nasty accident and ended up very seriously hurt in hospital. Not only was I genuinely happy (oops was that a blue light I can see coming down my road?) but if the hospital was local I would’ve made time to visit the piece of crap to ask him “how did that work out for you?”.

Ah, gotta go, there’s the fuzz knocking on my door……….

So, if there are any anecdotes out there where these little angels have received due punishment I’d be quite interested - reading them would cheer me up!


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retskcid said:
Why are they so easily found and removed?
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If you're talking about the OE Datatag stealth ones fitted by BMW circa 2020 (mine has one that's now disconnected because it drained the battery and kept giving false alarms, usually in the early hours when I was fast asleep or because I'd forgot to take the fob with me when moving the bike round my garage which I found tedious) I guess it's because BMW fit them all in the same place so once they know where they are fitted the rest is simples (there's not many places they can be fitted) which with a battery drill with a torx key takes the scroats less than a couple of minutes to find and remove
 
littleade said:
If you're talking about the OE Datatag stealth ones fitted by BMW circa 2020 (mine has one that's now disconnected because it drained the battery and kept giving false alarms, usually in the early hours when I was fast asleep or because I'd forgot to take the fob with me when moving the bike round my garage which I found tedious) I guess it's because BMW fit them all in the same place so once they know where they are fitted the rest is simples (there's not many places they can be fitted) which with a battery drill with a torx key takes the scroats less than a couple of minutes to find and remove
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i moved my tracker (although it was not a BMW one), and moved it to a more discrete/hidden location.
 
What? That layered security is over thinking things? :unsure:
 
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