Add my vote to that and plus another Brownie point to have the Balls to come on here and say it
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Add my vote to that and plus another Brownie point to have the Balls to come on here and say it
Use this story as a Case Example
I suspect that each case is entirely individual, and you cannot expect a company to give any written undertaking - prior to any failure outside warranty.
Sorry to disagree but in my experiencs Sachs motorcycle ESA shocks don't appear good quality , my GSA needed a new front shock at 1200 miles and a pair of shocks at 13,700 miles , all of them on road and the majority of them solo miles .
Hardly indicative of a quality manufactured suspension unit................ funnily enough though I've had numerous VW's where the standard Sachs shock abosrbers have lasted 10 years and 100,000 miles without issue
So if BMW do a deal with TMF. Will BMW do a deal with all those people in similar situations where BMW totally refused?
Of course they wont. The Shocks are known to fail. As others have said £1800 is taking the piss. Damage is done IMHO even if BMW do a deal with TMF he cannot post it as other people will refer to it. The deal will be secret with the video removed. Or if i was TMF unless I was getting a free installed replacement shock why bother?
Of course they wont. The Shocks are known to fail. As others have said £1800 is taking the piss. Damage is done IMHO even if BMW do a deal with TMF he cannot post it as other people will refer to it. The deal will be secret with the video removed. Or if i was TMF unless I was getting a free installed replacement shock why bother?
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Coming at this from a bit of a different angle; am I the only one that would never buy a bike, regardless of how much I wanted one and regardless of make, if my only option was I had to have ESA type suspension 
As far as I'm concerned, the concept is not yet fully developed and is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, much like a lot of modern frippery starting to find it's way onto bikes.
If you spent the extra money that ESA costs on quality manual suspension you'd still have 'bragging rights' to your mates if that's your bag but, more importantly, you'd have a better suspended and better handling bike than an ESA equipped one.
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As far as I'm concerned, the concept is not yet fully developed and is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, much like a lot of modern frippery starting to find it's way onto bikes.
If you spent the extra money that ESA costs on quality manual suspension you'd still have 'bragging rights' to your mates if that's your bag but, more importantly, you'd have a better suspended and better handling bike than an ESA equipped one.
Andres
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Coming at this from a bit of a different angle; am I the only one that would never buy a bike, regardless of how much I wanted one and regardless of make, if my only option was I had to have ESA type suspension
Yes you are
You speak to your dealer. Then escalate it within the dealership if you don't get a result you're happy with
Keep it polite. And don't forget. A full BMW Service History always helps when requesting a goodwill claim. Even if it's on a non serviceable item
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Coming at this from a bit of a different angle; am I the only one that would never buy a bike, regardless of how much I wanted one and regardless of make, if my only option was I had to have ESA type suspension
As far as I'm concerned, the concept is not yet fully developed and is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, much like a lot of modern frippery starting to find it's way onto bikes.
If you spent the extra money that ESA costs on quality manual suspension you'd still have 'bragging rights' to your mates if that's your bag but, more importantly, you'd have a better suspended and better handling bike than an ESA equipped one.
Andres
You're assuming you'd just own one bike then?
I have the BMW GSA Triple Black with ESA and I love the convenience this gives me for two up with luggage, then Solo riding options. I've found the suspension to be very good with my 14 stone weight. No issues at all.
Yes I've had Ohlins and it's plush, but I'm not Valentino Rossi so who gives a fuck if it's not absolutely mint perfect?
For heavy use off-road, I use another bike without ESA
For heavy use On-Track, I use another bike without ESA
For road touring and weekend bimbling about, I love my ESABMWR1200GSATB
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I'm not quite sure what point you're making there but no, I own several bikes, some with shit suspension and some with suspension that can take more than my ham fisted riding can throw at it
It's just, for me, ESA crosses a line I don't feel the need to cross........ I do stress the 'for me' bit though. I'm certainly not preaching what others should do.
You make a point about ESA being convenient for switching between one up/two up/luggage. Yes it is but, as you've had quality suspension, you'll also appreciate that properly set up quality shocks need nothing more that a one minute manual adjustment to preload to achieve the same. There is no need to change any of the compression variables as a decent and properly set up shock has enough range to cope.
Anyway, I'm not looking for an argument, I was just giving a slightly different way at looking at the issue. The way I look at it.
Andres
Your on your own jack ?? the only reason TMF is getting this resolved is because he took his complaint to social media and now the dealer is trying to keep face.
Lessons learnt !! Bmw is now all about profit and low ball manufacturing costs.
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Disagree, my BMW dealer Coopers is excellent if you approach it correctly.
Who would want to employ me
Coming at this from a bit of a different angle; am I the only one that would never buy a bike, regardless of how much I wanted one and regardless of make, if my only option was I had to have ESA type suspension
As far as I'm concerned, the concept is not yet fully developed and is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, much like a lot of modern frippery starting to find it's way onto bikes.
If you spent the extra money that ESA costs on quality manual suspension you'd still have 'bragging rights' to your mates if that's your bag but, more importantly, you'd have a better suspended and better handling bike than an ESA equipped one.
Andres
No you are not alone. A small part of my defection to the Red side was the suspension !
A huge part of the particular red sexy beast that i chose was it having Ohlins front and rear as standard.
Now i have it set to my (light) weight it is sublime and better on most surfaces than the tricky stuff the XR had ( i will admit that on some badly chewed up road surfaces the tricky suspenders did a better job of masking it but that ultimately means less feel
Coming at this from a bit of a different angle; am I the only one that would never buy a bike, regardless of how much I wanted one and regardless of make, if my only option was I had to have ESA type suspension
As far as I'm concerned, the concept is not yet fully developed and is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, much like a lot of modern frippery starting to find it's way onto bikes.
If you spent the extra money that ESA costs on quality manual suspension you'd still have 'bragging rights' to your mates if that's your bag but, more importantly, you'd have a better suspended and better handling bike than an ESA equipped one.
Andres
We can't all afford the luxury and quality of a Tomos
I'm not quite sure what point you're making there but no, I own several bikes, some with shit suspension and some with suspension that can take more than my ham fisted riding can throw at it
It's just, for me, ESA crosses a line I don't feel the need to cross........ I do stress the 'for me' bit though. I'm certainly not preaching what others should do.
You make a point about ESA being convenient for switching between one up/two up/luggage. Yes it is but, as you've had quality suspension, you'll also appreciate that properly set up quality shocks need nothing more that a one minute manual adjustment to preload to achieve the same. There is no need to change any of the compression variables as a decent and properly set up shock has enough range to cope.
Anyway, I'm not looking for an argument, I was just giving a slightly different way at looking at the issue. The way I look at it.
Andres
It's added convenience when it works.
It's also added convenience to have
- Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (but you could manually check them yourself beginning and mid-ride)
- Fuel Tank Level and Range Indicator (but you could just pop open the filler cap and take a look)
- Electronic Windscreen (but you could just wind it up and down manually)
- Self Cancelling Indicators (but you could just press the button yourself)
- Cruise Control (but you could just hold the throttle steady instead)
And on and on and on......
Just because you find it no inconvenience to twiddle with the suspension knobs, especially if you ride Solo all the time. I get that.
But if you ride Solo, then with luggage, then with Pillion and Luggage, then Solo, Then Solo with Luggage..... It's very convenient to just press a button and off you go. Very convenient.
Without having to look at your knob thinking what the hell did I do with it last time I was in here?
The AA man was heard to comment on how well it handled whilst he pushed it on to the truck
The AA man was heard to comment on how well it handled whilst he pushed it on to the truck
Offski fuck
Its been more reliable than a good few GSs on these pages ! and my i point out how well the Red mothership dealt with the very slight problem of 5 quids worth of rubber cush failing
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