About to buy...ESA problems anyone?

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No offence JJH, but are we getting to the stage where we consider it an achievement when our "premium priced" motorcycle has covered 3,000 miles without an electronics problem?

[Devils Advocate Mode]
When your 09 is a 6 years old, 30K model how will the secondhand market perceive an ESA bike against a non-ESA bike?

People who buy secondhand do so mainly because they can't afford new, so will the thought of expensive ESA replacements sour the market?

ESA is only 3 years old and now we have ESA2 with even more gadgetry ......

Since January I can honestly say I've not missed ESA.

I do not consider it anachievement mearly pointed out the facts.When my bike is 6 years old it will have 90,000 miles on it if the new owners use it at the rate I currently do. By then I should be on my 5th new bike probly a BM but not blinkerd to the merits of other makes.JJH
 
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In total I've done 12500km's on my 09 GSA. I would say at least a third has been offroad and not mild gravel roads either.....:augie

I'm very happy with the ESA performance and reliability. I also had the 08 12GS with ESA and did 6k trouble free miles on that. If it breaks I just drop it off at BMW to fix before I continue on my weekend adventures. After the two years, who knows. For now I'm VERY happy with it.

Ride report for type of offroad terrain I tend to go on......:augie
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=29166.0
 
its very handy if you are away touring and the bike is being regulary used with the luggage on and off i deliberatly went for it :)
 
ESA has been around for quite a while. Certainly 4 years on the Boxers and longer if you take the Ks into account. There has of course been the odd problem reported but on the whole they appear to have been very reliable.

I thought the first model with ESA was the new K1200GT in 06?
 
Just gave one of the receptionists at work a lift home on my GSA with esa and so easy to adjust for her being on the back,not really used it before but its brilliant:thumb2
 
Another vote for ESA. Six pre-load settings plus three damping settings (which are tailored to each of the pre-load settings) makes it easy to set the bike up 'on the run' for any combination of load/road. As I frequently go from solo/unloaded/hooning about to pillion/luggage/touring mode I love it. Press the button and going boingy-boingy down the motorway, then come to some interesting bits, press the button again and go into drag-the-undercarriage mode. Wish it had another button to eject the pillion at the appropriate time!
 
More toys, please...

I don't have ESA, but do have ABS and heated grips (who is that amazing member who thinks heated grips are unnecessary??). When I change, I will certainly consider ESA very seriously, and I am not likely to be buying new.

I remember my first car with electric windows, bought in 1979, and how my mother made one of her favourite stupid comments - 'just something else to go wrong'. Hundreds of thousands of miles later, I have yet to have an electric windows problem on a car, and if I had, would have considered it the luck of the draw.

BMW do make mistakes, but they know that a bad rep is hard to fight off, and I reckon that if they are offering these gadgets, they reckon that failures will be rare. Just hope I can be as philosophical if it's mine that fails! Still, so far, so good.
 
I don't have ESA, but do have ABS and heated grips (who is that amazing member who thinks heated grips are unnecessary??). When I change, I will certainly consider ESA very seriously, and I am not likely to be buying new.

I remember my first car with electric windows, bought in 1979, and how my mother made one of her favourite stupid comments - 'just something else to go wrong'. Hundreds of thousands of miles later, I have yet to have an electric windows problem on a car, and if I had, would have considered it the luck of the draw.

BMW do make mistakes, but they know that a bad rep is hard to fight off, and I reckon that if they are offering these gadgets, they reckon that failures will be rare. Just hope I can be as philosophical if it's mine that fails! Still, so far, so good.

BMW offer lots of gadgets and they do hope that failures are rare. Unfortunately they do on occasion get it slightly wrong.

Early GS12 shaft drives, ignition rings, fuel pump relays, servo brakes, to name a few. K1200GT air-boxes, clutches, cam-chain tensioners and front disc rotors that should all now function correctly with the revised K1300GT.

At least we have that great feeling of doing something for our fellow BMW owners by acting as long term product testers/guinea pigs for all these advanced gadgets.

I like your mother.
She wasn't that stupid!
 
BMW offer lots of gadgets and they do hope that failures are rare. Unfortunately they do on occasion get it slightly wrong.

Early GS12 shaft drives, ignition rings, fuel pump relays, servo brakes, to name a few. K1200GT air-boxes, clutches, cam-chain tensioners and front disc rotors that should all now function correctly with the revised K1300GT.

At least we have that great feeling of doing something for our fellow BMW owners by acting as long term product testers/guinea pigs for all these advanced gadgets.

I like your mother.
She wasn't that stupid!

What's all this about then - have you got or had an ESA system that has caused you problems?
 
What's all this about then - have you got or had an ESA system that has caused you problems?

See post #6.

Yes I did 24K with ESA on a new K1200GT-SE. Mostly 2-up with luggage in EU. I have no major complaints about the system apart from the possible future repair/replacement costs (Rainbow quoted approx £2K for shock) but prices may have changed.

And to repeat my OP, I hardly ever touched it after the initial novelty wore off.

I fear too many of us are dazzled by the ooooh's and ahhhh's of technology rather than the pleasure of riding a motorcycle.
 
I fear too many of us are dazzled by the ooooh's and ahhhh's of technology rather than the pleasure of riding a motorcycle.

I love technology. It gives me more mpg and less vibration.

I love ESA - I find it very useful; as other have commented.

I love the CAN Bus - totally reliable and tells me any problems; easy.

These add to my pleasure of riding. I also have R100 GSPD to compare. ;)
 
ESA is brilliant and I would 100% recommed it. I think a bike like the GS has a lot to cope with, i.e. on and off road, comfy touring, two up, blasting about etc, ESA is giving you the best of all worlds. Almost 6000 miles and not one problem with my bike (I may regret saying that!)

A no brainer IMHO
 
my 08 gsa had a leaking rear esa unit,(4000 miles) replaced under warrenty no prob,dealer told me replacement cost about 600 quid,plus fitting,even so i find it really good esp if you press on a bit(that bit for adam a):D
Why? :nenau
Another vote for ESA. Six pre-load settings plus three damping settings (which are tailored to each of the pre-load settings) makes it easy to set the bike up 'on the run' for any combination of load/road. As I frequently go from solo/unloaded/hooning about to pillion/luggage/touring mode I love it. Press the button and going boingy-boingy down the motorway, then come to some interesting bits, press the button again and go into drag-the-undercarriage mode. Wish it had another button to eject the pillion at the appropriate time!

You have changed your tune.
 
adama,think back young man think back:D:D

That's the point chap, I am doing, you clearly aren't.;)

It is (quite) good (IMO) "if you press on a bit". I never said otherwise.
It was your suggestion that it was better than a well set up manual shock I disagree with.

I actually think the idea is a cracking one. Just doesn't work for me in practice.

The reason being twofold:
1) As someone who tends to "press on a bit" everywhere I go, I found that 99% of the time I had it in sports, so the only thing that would be altered for me would be to stiffen it up a bit when carrying luggage, but actually on a run with the same amount of weight on, it would never get used, just left on the stiffer setting. I wouldn't use the two other modes enought to warrant the cost,
and
2) because as I said on t'other thread:
"The main reason being I can't set it up how I want it, only how BMW have programmed it, and unfortunately the two don't match up. I find it underdamped in some settings, overdamped in others and not balanced front to rear, and there's not a dam thing I can do about it."

I get a lot of my bike's set up by one of the best suspension guys in the country, and even he doesn't get it spot on for me every time first time.
Suspension isn't a one setting suits all thing, what feels right for one person can feel awful to another, so BMW's settings no doubt get somewhere in the general area for the weight of the rider and load, that's not under debate, but despite being arrived upon from suspension experts simply CAN'T suit all.

When ESA GenerationX comes along that allows for altering front and rear independantly and away from BMW's generic settings (i'd guess with a recallable memory to remember YOUR prefered spots/touring/etc settins) I may well partake, but until then I will set my suspension up manually, FOR ME.
If that still bothers you, tough. :)
 
I have ESA on my 06 RT and have no problems with it. Can't say I find too much difference between the settings (Sport-Normal-Comfort) and normal seems to suit me. But, I'm a lazy s*d and the delight of just pressing 1 button when I'm two up does it for me :-)

Great bit of kit in my opinion.
 
I bought my 58 plate GSA last Nov and have done 3000+ miles casually riding 2s up, luggage and solo since then. Each time (or most times when I remember) I adjust the suspension accordingly via the button. Each suspension adjustment raises or lowers the bike when stationery only. I also change the suspension stiffness between Normal, Comfort, Sport depending on my mood, road conditions and type of riding and it really works well, effortlessly.

What's the alternative? Changing by hand front and back, chances are you won't and you will be riding around with different setup with wrong suspension settings and your handling won't be as good! I've read AdamA's comments (above) and I don't have a problem with the default BMW settings. But to be honest I take the bike as it is and use what's on offer! I've never had anyone setup my suspension for me so I have nothing to compare in that regard?

I for one am in the camp that says it's worth having and a worthy optional extra! If you've bought the bike new then it's covered for 2 years under warranty with an option 3rd year top up!

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