Advice needed for route to take on the continent

Simon_h

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I am looking for advice for the best routes to get to and from my friends in Contern in Luxembourg.

Contern, Luxembourg - Google Maps

Am going to look to leave as early as need be on Friday 8th April and return the following Monday. I will be travelling alone, have experience of driving on the continent (only the shortest A-B motorway routes in a car hence the need for advice) and would like the 'nicest' route possible taking in scenery/points of history/nice place for lunch etc. Would prefer to cover each journey within a day (so no camping) and am flexible with ports and ferries/tunnel etc.

Thank you in advance. :)
 
Get a map, with a decent scale and apply imagination :D

Don't worry, I will do it for you this evening. :beerjug:

As you live in Basingstoke and are going to Luxembourg I will route you via the train at Folkstone and assume a crossing at about 08:30 UK time (09:30 Frog o'clock) hitting the road in France at about 10:20.
 
Thank you. I know my request was vague/lazy but I am limited to a day there and a day back journey wise and have no experience of this area. I've been trawling through the french and military sections but no other rides share, that I've found, the same kind of timings/distance.
 
No worries.

I guess you might want to come back a different route?

Do you have a Garmin GPS, if so I can plot it in Mapsource. If not, the old fashioned way.
 
I recommend that you take a look at the maps here http://www.uem-moto.eu/Tourism/OnlineUEMmaps/MR10frontside/tabid/262/Default.aspx (they are in pdf format and downloadable/printable) and either print them as individual sheets or as a single sheet.

These are maps produced especially for motorcyclists by the German motoring organisation - the ADAC. Routes in green are the recommended routes for scenery, curves and everything else that the biker wants. Some great tours to be had around the Mosel river in Germany and in Luxembourg itself.

I can recommend the hotel Auberge Aal Vienen in Vianden which is a motorbike friendly hotel. They have garaging facilities for your bike and the food/accommodation is excellent and well priced for what you get. http://www.hotel-aal-veinen.lu/home.php

Edit: just read your original post again and see that you won't be in need of accommodation. In that case, Vianden (to the north of Contern) is easily reachable and the routes (see above linked to map) are well worth at least one day tour. Another day trip worth considering is a quick trip Eastwards following the Mosel river down from Koblenz down to Trier and then cut across back to Contern once again on the motorway (A7).
 
Hi Simon_h

Leaving aside excursions and the excellent ADAC maps, for one moment.

I got bored at work, so knocked something up in a few minutes. It is not the 'best' route, but it gives you an example why it is difficult to plot routes for other people.

You want to go from Calais to Contern in a day and then back again in a day. The purpose of your jaunt is therefore your arrival in Contern (to do whatever it is they do in Contern) and then your return home, all we hope in one piece. It's that purpose that you have to put to the forefront of your mind.

A very direct route shows, 266 miles in about four and a quarter hours. An alternative very quickly hacked out route, leaving the motorway at Cambrai, then heading roughly across country, is 277 miles (only 11 miles further) but takes closer to eight hours (twice as long). Ignore the small glitches, it was just me being lazy and dragging the route around.

Look at it another way, perhaps? What time do you want to be in Contern? If you leave the train and hit the road at about 10:20 Frog time, the fastest direct route will get you to Contern (no stops at all, mind) by about 14:30. The alternative and just eleven miles longer route, will have you arriving (no stops at all) by about 18:30. A considerable difference, I think you might agree and useless if you need to be in Contern at 15:30. Of course the times are approximate, we have no idea how fast you ride, how often you want to stop (or why) or anything much at all really. Similarly, none of us have any idea if you think two hundred and fifty plus miles (in the possibly peeing down rain or blasting sun) is an epic day's journey. None of this is to say we cannot come up with something else, but you need to give us a few more clues, please :beerjug:

One idea, might be to cut across: Cambrai, Le Cateau, Hirson, Charleville-Mezieres, Sedan, Virton, Longwy, then under the bottom of Luxembourg city to Contern. This is one of the classically simple ways to Luxembourg and may well fit your bill. I think it is the way I would go if I needed to go to Contern, in a day and wanted to avoid too much motorway. Indeed, I have used it several times, just to go to Luxembourg, as it is easy. I have called the via Hirson route alt2. As you will see it is about 257 miles in about seven hours. Just ten miles further than the basic quickest route, but three hours longer. But, just ten miles less than the longest route, more importantly up to an hour quicker.

So what have we learned?

(a) Plotting someone's routes is not easy. Not least, as nobody but one person alone knows what they want / need / can or cannot do.

(b) There is a huge difference (not necessarily in mileage, but in time) between taking motorway and non-motorway routes.

(c) The simple dropping of smaller 'scenic' roads in favour of more direct 'National' type roads may make a small mileage difference but a significant time saving.

(d) Stopping off to gawp at sites, have lunch, tea, coffee, fuel up, donning of waterproofs and taking off gloves will all add to time taken, not detract from it.

Cheers,

Richard
 

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(d) Stopping off to gawp at sites, have lunch, tea, coffee, fuel up, donning of waterproofs and taking off gloves will all add to time taken, not detract from it.
Ain't that the truth - nothing like stopping for a cup of brown to kill your average speed.

That's why that Spanish truck you passed in Dijon manages to get to the tunnel at the same time as you - he's pootling along at 100kph and you're flying at 140kph, you leave him in your dust.

So how come you both get to Calais at the same time? Tea is the answer. You stop for 20 mins for a fag and brown stuff he'll do an extra 33km in that time and it will take you almost an hour to catch him up.
 
I'd take a slightly different approach. Motorways through the flat bits, more time in the Ardennes. If you get there early, you can waste time in the pretty bits, rather than getting behind schedule and having to rush through.

Way out: motorway to Namur (via Lille, Tournai, Mons, Charleroi), down to Dinant, cross country via Marche-en-Famenne and Diekirch. Just over 5 hrs riding, add a couple for fuel, coffee and lunch.

Way back: cut under Luxebourg city via Petange, Izel, and Bouillon, then ride along the Semois valley through Vresse and Thilay to Montherme. Then Revin, Couvin, Mauberge, Mons and back on motorway to Calais. Another 5.5 hours riding.

(No toll charges on motorway this way.)

I'll assume you're comfortable with the M3-M25-M26-M20 Basingstoke to Folkestone bit! If you want to break up the motorway, just get off the M20 at J8 (Maidtone services) and take the A20 to Ashford. Then M20 round Ashford (junction 9 to 10), A20 again to Folkestone. (I've must have driven between Folkestone and Basingstoke a million times, and there is no real alternative that doesn't add loads of time.)

Other suggestions: the tunnel is quick and easy but depending on what time you want to leave Basingstoke, you might appreicate a break for some grub on the boat. Treat yourself, eschew the self-service restaurant, and get a table in Langham's to start the day in style. :thumb2 Unless you get seasick, in which case you may see your breakfast twice. :comfort

Lunch: Dinant has a choice of restaurants and is a pleasant place if it isn't raining.

(And if it is pissing down and looks like staying pissing down all the way, I'd stick to motorways for that particular leg. Nowhere I've ever been has such a contrast between dry and wet as Belgium in general and the Ardennes in particular. And I've been to Wales!)
 


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