Advice Needed Please - Re: Upgrading Garmin City Select 7 Software

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my main question is can i upgrade from city select 7 to city navigator 9? all software for europe.

Theres a place selling navigator 8 for £75 which is too much really for the older software but would i need this to upgrade to navigator 9?

I currently have a garmin quest with 'city select 7' software installed - it was a free upgrade as my quest originally came with 'city select 6'.

Now after looking in this forum i went to the garmin site to see about upgrading the software but noticed there was no 'city select' upgrades available. So would this 'City Navigator Europe v9 Delxue DVD' work ok with my setup as this is what ive ordered then its $75 to buy the unlock code once received dvd. http://shop.garmin.com/cartography/mapsource/update/cd_update_details.asp?CD=010-10432-04
 
my main question is can i upgrade from city select 7 to city navigator 9? all software for europe.

So would this 'City Navigator Europe v9 Delxue DVD' work ok with my setup as this is what ive ordered then its $75 to buy the unlock code once received dvd. http://shop.garmin.com/cartography/mapsource/update/cd_update_details.asp?CD=010-10432-04


Yep, that's the way to go - got it running on my Quest. :) and FYI there's no problem in missing out a CN version - or going from CS to CN- you just need to buy the unlock and all should be fine :thumb2

Peter
 
I went from CS6 to CN8 with no problems. Ensure that the update you order from Garmin is the non NT version. City Nav v9 NT only works with more recent models. If you have registered for a myGarmin on-line account it will guide you through the ordering process asking you for the Registration Code from your Quest, this will provide the correct current version for you.
 
thx for the info guys, received the city navigator 9 update dvd this morning and loaded and unlocked software through mygarmin online for $88.
 
thx for the info guys, received the city navigator 9 update dvd this morning and loaded and unlocked software through mygarmin online for $88.
What is that in sterling tuppence,,,, no only joking works out to about 45£ maybe I will order it. V9 seems to be really good in Ireland... compared to v7 which is way better than v6 but still crap.
 
i thought u would be thinking in euros now? lol

i was thinking of buying a new gps but ive got all the bike mounts pretty much spot on for the garmin quest now.

What is that in sterling tuppence,,,, no only joking works out to about 45£ maybe I will order it. V9 seems to be really good in Ireland... compared to v7 which is way better than v6 but still crap.
 
Q1 slower with V9

I mentioned this before and I know others have said they noticed no difference, but after several weeks with CN V9 there is no doubt that my Quest (model 1) is now slower to recalculate. On a trip last week it took so long to recalc that I had to stop and wait for it, as I had so many road options in front of me and no guidance and I couldn't take a chance on going even further out of my way while the unit recalculated. Of course, I suppose it could be a coincidence and the Quest has a fault that decided to present itself at exactly the time I upgraded the maps...

The upside is that the map tiles are actually smaller than in CN V8, which is a bonus with the Quest where you can't increase memory size...
 
The upside is that the map tiles are actually smaller than in CN V8, which is a bonus with the Quest where you can't increase memory size...
Would you say this was significant, like the tile sizes in City Select, or just a bit smaller than CN v8?
 
I mentioned this before and I know others have said they noticed no difference, but after several weeks with CN V9 there is no doubt that my Quest (model 1) is now slower to recalculate.

Yes, same noted here - my Quest 1 now takes significantly longer to recalculate since loading CN v9 :( Just need to be patient I suppose.

Peter
 
I mentioned this before and I know others have said they noticed no difference, but after several weeks with CN V9 there is no doubt that my Quest (model 1) is now slower to recalculate. On a trip last week it took so long to recalc that I had to stop and wait for it, as I had so many road options in front of me and no guidance and I couldn't take a chance on going even further out of my way while the unit recalculated. Of course, I suppose it could be a coincidence and the Quest has a fault that decided to present itself at exactly the time I upgraded the maps...

The upside is that the map tiles are actually smaller than in CN V8, which is a bonus with the Quest where you can't increase memory size...

...and as an aside I also note that Mapsoucre with CN9 also runs slower on the pc aswell. Before when wanting to highlight a route it would come up almost straight away - now it can take take many seconds. Can be a bit irritating when making modifications to routes.:(

Peter
 
Map Tile Sizes

Would you say this was significant, like the tile sizes in City Select, or just a bit smaller than CN v8?


Theres a big difference between CN V8 and V9

Heres a comparison of coverage of the UK (incl Shetlands)

CS V6 124 Maps, 156.6 Megabytes
CN V8 19 Maps, 173.4 Megabytes
CN V9 54 Maps, 194.2 Megabytes

As you can see, the tile size difference between CN versions is about 2.8:1
Obviously if you load every tile the total memory useage is greater in V9, but the smaller tiles allow flexibility around what coverage you actually load.
 
...can i upgrade from city select 7 to city navigator 9? ... my quest originally came with 'city select 6'.

Rob:

As other forum members have already explained, yes, you can purchase an upgrade, no problem there.

The real question, though, is whether or not you should purchase an upgrade. Here's what I mean:

Each year, as the cartographic databases are updated, they become significantly larger. There aren't that many new roads being added in each country - new roads by themselves probably only account for a 2% increase in the size of the cartographic data - but every year, more invisible 'road attributes' are added to better describe the roads that are already in the database. By example, back at Version 6, the street in front of your house probably only had the single attribute of being a 'residential street' attached to it. With Version 9, it probably has about 20 attributes attached to it - what the speed limit is, how many stop signs or roundabouts per mile, whether there is a median in the middle of the road, are there any left turn or right turn restrictions, time of day restrictions, vehicle type restrictions, and so forth.

It is the addition of all these invisible road attributes that causes the cartographic database to grow (significantly) from year to year. All this extra data is great, because although we can't see it, it enables the GPSR to do a much better job of creating routes and accurately calculating a time of arrival. The downside, though, is that all this data can overwhelm the processors of older generation GSPRs, and this will result in significantly slower calculations.

As a 'general rule of thumb' (this is very much a rough guideline, treat it as a generalization), you can upgrade the cartography in any GPSR from what it came with (e.g. version 6, in your case) to the next two newer versions (7 and 8, in your case) without suffering any serious performance penalty, and without running out of storage space on the GPSR for the cartography. However - if you plan to make a 'third' upgrade - in other words, upgrade to cartography that is three generations newer than what came with your GPSR - now you are approaching the practical limit of how far you can go and still enjoy satisfactory performance from your GPSR.

It might be better for you to live with what you currently have (version 7) for another year, and keep your money in your pocket, then buy a new GPSR next year. The new one will come with version 9 (or perhaps even version 10, who knows), so you won't have to spend money on an upgrade for at least a year after that. Plus, the prices of the GPSRs have fallen so much over the past few years that it almost doesn't make sense to keep investing money into upgrading maps, memory, and so forth of units that are older than about 3 years old.

What I have said is a generalization, thus it won't apply to everyone, but it is a pretty good generalization. If you only ride within a small area (e.g. the Southwest of England) and don't need to have maps for the whole country loaded, then you will never run into memory constraints. If you generally ride in familiar areas, then the slower recalculation might not be a problem either. Lastly, if you use your GPSR for the moto only, and have no need for one in your car, and you only want to get one specific benefit from the newest cartography (e.g. better coverage of Ireland) that the current version doesn't have, an 'third' upgrade might make sense - because chances are, you really don't need to spend money to get a new GPSR. But, for the rider who covers the whole country, or the rider who also uses the GPSR in the car - and most especially for the rider who travels internationally - original cartography plus the two next releases is normally the limit for any given GPSR.

Michael
 
Thanks for that info Michael (great to see you here again BTW)...

So I guess my 2610 is about as good as it'll get with V9 as it came with V8 and was about before that upgrade....:thumb
 
Theres a big difference between CN V8 and V9

Heres a comparison of coverage of the UK (incl Shetlands)

CS V6 124 Maps, 156.6 Megabytes
CN V8 19 Maps, 173.4 Megabytes
CN V9 54 Maps, 194.2 Megabytes

As you can see, the tile size difference between CN versions is about 2.8:1
Obviously if you load every tile the total memory useage is greater in V9, but the smaller tiles allow flexibility around what coverage you actually load.
Thanks, guess that confirms that they do really listen to users then, They categorically told me that tile sizes would remain big when I complained after CN v8 came out. Must have been a few others complaining as well.

Not sure if it has less in the way of road attributes but MetroGuide seems to run OK and have small tile sizes. You do need to load it with a bit of third party freeware though.
 
How many people are noticing the Quest going slow with V9.
I have the discs ready to install but am a bit reluctant at the moment
 
How many people are noticing the Quest going slow with V9.
I have the discs ready to install but am a bit reluctant at the moment

I'd go for it - you can always go back to your previous version if you are not happy with v9 as previous version is not removed on any install of updated version :)

IME the Quest is not as quick with v9 as it was with v8 but not so badly affected that I would call it 'slow'. It still remains fully functionable and usable in the real world situation. :thumb

Peter
 
Living in Ireland, the update was a necessity (Quest). The additional recalculation time isn't a hindrance in comparison to having pretty complete coverage for the first time.. So a no-brainer, if you live in Ireland..

As pan-European suggested though, this will most likely be my first and last upgrade on the Quest.
 
Rob:

As other forum members have already explained, yes, you can purchase an upgrade, no problem there.

The real question, though, is whether or not you should purchase an upgrade. Here's what I mean:

Each year, as the cartographic databases are updated, they become significantly larger. There aren't that many new roads being added in each country - new roads by themselves probably only account for a 2% increase in the size of the cartographic data - but every year, more invisible 'road attributes' are added to better describe the roads that are already in the database. By example, back at Version 6, the street in front of your house probably only had the single attribute of being a 'residential street' attached to it. With Version 9, it probably has about 20 attributes attached to it - what the speed limit is, how many stop signs or roundabouts per mile, whether there is a median in the middle of the road, are there any left turn or right turn restrictions, time of day restrictions, vehicle type restrictions, and so forth.

It is the addition of all these invisible road attributes that causes the cartographic database to grow (significantly) from year to year. All this extra data is great, because although we can't see it, it enables the GPSR to do a much better job of creating routes and accurately calculating a time of arrival. The downside, though, is that all this data can overwhelm the processors of older generation GSPRs, and this will result in significantly slower calculations.

As a 'general rule of thumb' (this is very much a rough guideline, treat it as a generalization), you can upgrade the cartography in any GPSR from what it came with (e.g. version 6, in your case) to the next two newer versions (7 and 8, in your case) without suffering any serious performance penalty, and without running out of storage space on the GPSR for the cartography. However - if you plan to make a 'third' upgrade - in other words, upgrade to cartography that is three generations newer than what came with your GPSR - now you are approaching the practical limit of how far you can go and still enjoy satisfactory performance from your GPSR.

It might be better for you to live with what you currently have (version 7) for another year, and keep your money in your pocket, then buy a new GPSR next year. The new one will come with version 9 (or perhaps even version 10, who knows), so you won't have to spend money on an upgrade for at least a year after that. Plus, the prices of the GPSRs have fallen so much over the past few years that it almost doesn't make sense to keep investing money into upgrading maps, memory, and so forth of units that are older than about 3 years old.

What I have said is a generalization, thus it won't apply to everyone, but it is a pretty good generalization. If you only ride within a small area (e.g. the Southwest of England) and don't need to have maps for the whole country loaded, then you will never run into memory constraints. If you generally ride in familiar areas, then the slower recalculation might not be a problem either. Lastly, if you use your GPSR for the moto only, and have no need for one in your car, and you only want to get one specific benefit from the newest cartography (e.g. better coverage of Ireland) that the current version doesn't have, an 'third' upgrade might make sense - because chances are, you really don't need to spend money to get a new GPSR. But, for the rider who covers the whole country, or the rider who also uses the GPSR in the car - and most especially for the rider who travels internationally - original cartography plus the two next releases is normally the limit for any given GPSR.

Michael

That made very interested reading michael, thx very much. I'd already upgraded my mappping software to v9 for £44 from garmin direct though before you posted. I was 50/50 whether to buy a new gps unit or just upgrade the mapping software, so next time i need to upgrade i'll definately been buying a new gps unit with removable/bigger memory for more maps etc. regards, rob.
 
I'd go for it - you can always go back to your previous version if you are not happy with v9 as previous version is not removed on any install of updated version :)

IME the Quest is not as quick with v9 as it was with v8 but not so badly affected that I would call it 'slow'. It still remains fully functionable and usable in the real world situation. :thumb

Peter

One point I forgot to mention in my post futher back in this thread.. As I said, yes, my Q1 is slower to calculate with CNV9, but a lot of my tours are pre-planned in Mapsource and routes sent to the Quest before I go (eg I just did a Normandy 'airborne' battlefields tour and with pre-planned routes the Quest was used more as a 'scrolling map with directions'). In that way, I don't need the recalculate function turned on, so still get the benefit of the updated V9 maps.

Michael's post had some useful info though.. I think it will be a new GPS unit next time, rather than new maps.
 


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