airhead history could be for sale

[DrAlf]

I wonder too
Came across this a couple of months ago and was told it was the genuine item

The #101 bike at the NEC show was at least an 85 or maybe later - it was Marlboro colours IIRC and as such an HPN rather than a french early bike. I'm guessing that GR always used #101. That leaves 3 possible '84 bikes - the HPN loft bike, the bike in this thread and the one detailed above. Any further details of the bike above?

 

[Devon]

So the Trippy/Fanum fistfight spills over into yet another thread/post spoiling the whole site yet again!

FFS! lads we aren't interested in your little spat. Why don't you fuck off somewhere and sort it out. It's getting seriously tedious. I like you both but it's getting beyond a joke.

Spot on. Some people are mistaking the Airhead section for the Beakchat & Bollox. I don't like to see heavy handed modding but if some people are posting in this section to provoke and shit stir, the post should be deleted so the Airhead section can bimble along in the spirit that attracts Airhead owners and enthusiasts, not the grown men who can't seem to help but behave like troubled teenage school girls.

 

[AliBaba]

The #101 bike at the NEC show was at least an 85 or maybe later - it was Marlboro colours IIRC and as such an HPN rather than a french early bike. I'm guessing that GR always used #101. That leaves 3 possible '84 bikes - the HPN loft bike, the bike in this thread and the one detailed above. Any further details of the bike above?

Sycomotos bike.
At leas it looks like it has the same differences from the original. There might have been several replicas, build by both HPN and others.

 

[MikeP]

This "101" was thrown at the Hill, Goodwood Festival in 2004:

There was another "101" in the BMW pavilion that year.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

This "101" was thrown at the Hill, Goodwood Festival in 2004:

There was another "101" in the BMW pavilion that year.

Which 101 was that?

The must be £1million worth of 101's about in the world....................but which is the real one or one(s)

 

[Aidan1150]

how much did it sell for.

Aside from anything else that is none of your (or anyone elses) business.

 

[Timolgra]

Although Fanum's description of you was slightly under the belt Trippy, you are the one person who simply doesn't get it do you or perhaps you do and there lies your problem.

I once welcomed you through my door, never again though, you're one of life's true pricks who never accepts when enoughs, enough.

 

[Deleted account 231002001]

Although Fanum's description of you was slightly under the belt Trippy, you are the one person who simply doesn't get it do you or perhaps you do and there lies your problem.

I once welcomed you through my door, never again though, you're one of life's true pricks who never accepts when enoughs, enough.

Ok.

Your still welcome to call on me anytime your down this way should you ever need anything.
I know that's unlikely as I live in Somerset and not Iceland or Mongolia, but your welcome all the same.


As Devon said, maybe just delete this thread. It has served no purpose at all, no one is any the wiser about what has happened to maybe an interesting bike and it has gone the same way as so many others, descending into personal abuse.

 

[DrAlf]

Back on topic again then please. So is this the bike then?

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Back on topic again then please. So is this the bike then?

Nice truck too

 

[DrAlf]

The bike in the HPN loft is the 1983 bike not 1984. That leaves two possible 1984 bikes. I reckon the bike in this thread could be the real deal. Certainly an interesting story.

 

[DrFarkoff]

Nice Krauser Airhead too

Who Knows What's what out there? There are basics that aren't basics there are bodged things that look like off roaders etc etc

I guess Everybody wants their bike the way they want it

and If Si has provenance for his bike and you wanna buy Trippy then lay your money down and view the provenance

Until then Please! Shut the fuck up and stop being a whinging twat!

Si It would be nice to know if you sold or didn't sell and I don't give a schit knowing how much Its all your info and up to you to Share!

Ride Safe all

I wonder too
Came across this a couple of months ago and was told it was the genuine item

 

[AliBaba]

The bike in the HPN loft is the 1983 bike not 1984. That leaves two possible 1984 bikes. I reckon the bike in this thread could be the real deal. Certainly an interesting story.

I don't think so... The -83 bike was sponsored by Le Point and prepped by Arcueil Motor (which also made the carbon-BMW).
Both 101 (Gaston Rahier ) and 102 (Raymond Loizeaux) from 1984 is at the loft, and they look raced.


1983:

 

[DrFarkoff]

There is another explanation .......

Very simply its like the Dukes of Hazard and their General Lee car......(That series alone is responsible for depleting the US of a shitload of Chargers!!)

There are "clones" made at the factory a bit like a Moto GP second bike so if they fcuk one up they wheel out number two or three etc etc Hence 2 or 3 1984 number 101 ???

 

[DrAlf]

I don't think so... The -83 bike was sponsored by Le Point and prepped by Arcueil Motor (which also made the carbon-BMW).
Both 101 (Gaston Rahier ) and 102 (Raymond Loizeaux) from 1984 is at the loft, and they look raced.


1983:

Check out the fairing - the '82 and '83 bikes look very different to the '84 bikes. The bike in the HPN loft must be an '82 or '83 whereas the bike in this thread is an '84 - first year of factory ride for GR.

I do vaguely remember some story about BMW switching bikes mid race which was against the rules and I wonder if this has something to do with the silence on this thread and the multiple bikes being referenced.

 

[MikeP]

There is another explanation .......

Very simply its like the Dukes of Hazard and their General Lee car......(That series alone is responsible for depleting the US of a shitload of Chargers!!)

There are "clones" made at the factory a bit like a Moto GP second bike so if they fcuk one up they wheel out number two or three etc etc Hence 2 or 3 1984 number 101 ???

True. Then there are "replicas" that never went anywhere near a sandpit let alone a Rally, factory commissioned for display purposes (static or otherwise) that have never been intended for private ownership. There are "replicas" that have been very professionally built to exacting standards by people who wanted one but couldn't persuade the factory to sell them one (either for campaigning or for just the simple pleasure of ownership) and finally there are undoubtedly a few bikes built to make a buck by pretending to be something they're not.

Working out what is what is not easy, maybe even impossible but it should make any owner or prospective purchaser very wary. Si's bike has been sympathetically restored and it is worth more than its sum of parts and labour. That's really about as far as anyone can go unless he lets me have half a day with it, a supply of Fry's etching fluid, a couple of bits of welding rod and a six volt battery (and doesn't mind the coating around the VIN being taken back to bare metal ).

 

[Deleted account 231002001]

I wonder too
Came across this a couple of months ago and was told it was the genuine item

I would say that these are the same bike.

 

[Crapaud]

Good to see that the Mods have cleaned up several posts.

I used to work for a race team, Phase One Endurance and we used to sell off the Championship winning bikes. I know for a fact that three versions of the 2003 World Championship Winning Bike were sold and yet the "original" one is still at the teams HQ. In one season, a team uses many frames, engines etc so there is never just one single original bike. Frame numbers can be made up on race bikes, I've seen it done. When we bought World Superbike frames from Yamaha they came with no frame numbers at all. The scrutineers insisted they must have frame numbers so we got out the punches and numbered the frames YZF000001, YZF000002 & YZF000003. They have probably all been sold on by the team.
At the TT a few years back a very elderly Swiss collector came to our tent immediately after Steve Plater had just won the SuperStock on our R1. He said he wanted it for his collection of race winning bikes. He was told to come back the following morning with the cash (and lots of it ). By the time he returned the bike was nothing like the one that had won the race as several bits had been changed. I managed a few of the spares for my own R1 including the race fairing signed by Steve. The engine in my R1 was used by the team in a 24 hour race during 2007 so I could claim that it was partly a race winning bike.

I would suggest that all the "original race winning" vehicles that are in collections and museums are all a little bit fake unless you managed to grab the vehicle as it crossed the finishing line and put it straight in your garage. Also the more time has passed and the more owners it has been through, then the harder it is to prove originality.

Perhaps with modern DNA testing, it could have been established if it really was Gaston's blood, sweat and tears soaked into the bike?

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Good to see that the Mods have cleaned up several posts.

I used to work for a race team, Phase One Endurance and we used to sell off the Championship winning bikes. I know for a fact that three versions of the 2003 World Championship Winning Bike were sold and yet the "original" one is still at the teams HQ. In one season, a team uses many frames, engines etc so there is never just one single original bike. Frame numbers can be made up on race bikes, I've seen it done. When we bought World Superbike frames from Yamaha they came with no frame numbers at all. The scrutineers insisted they must have frame numbers so we got out the punches and numbered the frames YZF000001, YZF000002 & YZF000003. They have probably all been sold on by the team.
At the TT a few years back a very elderly Swiss collector came to our tent immediately after Steve Plater had just won the SuperStock on our R1. He said he wanted it for his collection of race winning bikes. He was told to come back the following morning with the cash (and lots of it ). By the time he returned the bike was nothing like the one that had won the race as several bits had been changed. I managed a few of the spares for my own R1 including the race fairing signed by Steve. The engine in my R1 was used by the team in a 24 hour race during 2007 so I could claim that it was partly a race winning bike.

I would suggest that all the "original race winning" vehicles that are in collections and museums are all a little bit fake unless you managed to grab the vehicle as it crossed the finishing line and put it straight in your garage. Also the more time has passed and the more owners it has been through, then the harder it is to prove originality.

Perhaps with modern DNA testing, it could have been established if it really was Gaston's blood, sweat and tears soaked into the bike?

Well said Sid

There's the rub..................provenance is everything and nothing

Hard to prove on competition machines and it can come in many forms - paperwork/pictures/numbers/testimonials/paperwork/scrutineers tags/paint markings etc..........etc

In my time I have 2-3 interesting bikes through my hands, one that Wreford has now and whilst the history file was a bit scant on that purchase, I did a bit of digging and found out the original bike's history, who built it and exactly who did what. It all adds to the fun and is an interesting trail via Holland & Belgium

Another were 2 Yamaha Trials bikes, one that came from Hong Kong and was originally HK Police bike in the 1970's and the other was a Majesty Yamaha

All I would say, is buy something that is correct for the period and 'looks right', if it is then it probably is all present and correct, however careful research is needed first and you have to know something about the subject in the first place

Factory riders and mechanics hold a lot of keys too

If I had a million (or several) pounds and wanted to buy a rare vehicle like a classic race Ferrari, for example I wouldn't have the first clue where to look

 

[DrAlf]

I would say that these are the same bike.

I think you're 100% correct which I guess means that the bike was sold to a new owner fairly recently. Hope it gets used.