Anal?

[Engineer]

Thanks for the link



This 'warning' appeared against the 'natural' ties but not the 'coloured' ones

Black ties are recommended for outdoor use as they have a better resistance to ultra violet light.

I thought that it was only the black ones that were properly 'UV proof' and that was why bike manufacturers used only that colour - I may be wrong of course and some manufacturers may use other colours?????????

 

[Hookster]

Hey up Hooky!
Figured I'd find you in the 1200 section. Great idea and so simple........the brass'll never burn a hole in your pockets eh?

Er....? Nope not unless it is really corrosive tint in there long enough is it! No pockets in shrouds as they say

 

[Hookster]

I thought that it was only the black ones that were properly 'UV proof' and that was why bike manufacturers used only that colour - I may be wrong of course and some manufacturers may use other colours?????????

Thanks for the info, I'll keep an eye on them. No critical parts are secured by them as such and maybe I could renew them annually. After all there must have been 100 of the divils in the pack

 

[davegs]

cable ties

Have used thousands of these on out side sites securing cables no probs.
So, get a life.

 

[Engineer]

Have used thousands of these on out side sites securing cables no probs.
So, get a life.

You may well have done; but do you actually know what the specification is? Just because you got away with it in the past in your applications does not mean that it is the correct thing to use in another.

By the way UV deterioration is accelerated at high temperatures; certain parts of a motorcycle operate significantly higher than ambient temperature.

I'm not saying you should not use them - but it would be wise to keep an eye on them if they are used in places where they might cause a problem if they cracked up. None of the manufacturer's websites that I can find have UV stabilised silver cable ties.

If someone can show me some silver ones that are defo UV and temperature stabilised then I will buy some because they look far better than the black ones.

P.S. I have also used thousands of cable ties over the past 30 years AND I have seen non-UV stabilised ones fail in a matter of a few months when left outside.



P.P.S Most cheap cable ties are made of Nylon6.6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_tie

 

[Sgt Bilco]

Factor 50

When you get the silver ties, cover them in Boots Factor 50 sun cream which says it prevents all harmful UV rays on the bottle. I would then advise that you reapply the cream every hour or so and especially after contact with water



FFS blokes ......they are cable ties and big lairy motorbikes. Shouldn`t this be on the knitting and sewing section

 

[Engineer]

When you get the silver ties, cover them in Boots Factor 50 sun cream which says it prevents all harmful UV rays on the bottle. I would then advise that you reapply the cream every hour or so and especially after contact with water



FFS blokes ......they are cable ties and big lairy motorbikes. Shouldn`t this be on the knitting and sewing section

That should do the job nicely - why didn't I think of that? - DOH! But you have forgotten how fashion conscious your average GS owner is - the thread title was anal after all.

P.S. they thought 'O' rings were just 'O' rings until the shuttle exploded.

 

[Sgt Bilco]

Good point Eng, perhaps NASA should have posted on here before they fitted that O ring!!

 

[Engineer]

Good point Eng, perhaps NASA should have posted on here before they fitted that O ring!!

Would have saved them a lot of grief. Every engineer should read this - don't think that it's copyright as I found it freely on the Internet; massive apologies if it is.

 

[Ogmios]

When you get the silver ties, cover them in Boots Factor 50 sun cream .....

so....
yer saying use Sun tan Oil?
factor 50.
you sure?

just that once or twice the topic of which oil to use has come up on this site . . ...
and opinions vary . .... a little.

 

[Davy F]

Do engineers worry about every little aspect in life ?

 

[Boffer]

Why stop at Silver, is this a chance for personnal expression? What other colours are available?!!

 

[Engineer]

Do engineers worry about every little aspect in life ?

Attention to detail is a prerequisite for the best engineering - You then know what to worry about and what not to. )

 

[GS-Stu]

When you get the silver ties, cover them in Boots Factor 50 sun cream which says it prevents all harmful UV rays on the bottle. I would then advise that you reapply the cream every hour or so and especially after contact with water



FFS blokes ......they are cable ties and big lairy motorbikes. Shouldn`t this be on the knitting and sewing section

Brilliant!! I was beginning to wonder if it was just me thinking that some of these replies are ridiculous.
The silver ties are a really cheap & useful tip in my opinion. If you're gonna get hung-up over thier resistance to UV - then don't bloody use em...... I bet no-one checks to see how UV resistant their tyres are!!

 

[Engineer]

Brilliant!! I was beginning to wonder if it was just me thinking that some of these replies are ridiculous.
The silver ties are a really cheap & useful tip in my opinion. If you're gonna get hung-up over thier resistance to UV - then don't bloody use em...... I bet no-one checks to see how UV resistant their tyres are!!

I don't think that you have followed all of this thread - no one has said that you MUST or MUST not use them; the only people who get 'hung-up' are people with chips on their shoulders! My original comment to the use of silver cable ties was to the effect that the user ought to aware that it is a known issue - it really is! If they are going to be used in critical situations then beware! Whatever way you look at it, that is fair comment.

P.S. Tyres certainly are UV resistant the manufacturers make sure of that because of the application - Cable ties can be used in many applications and there any many types - it is sensible to choose the correct one for the application.

P.S. cable ties can also be attacked by oils - so if you are going to sun-sun screen to protect them against UV then you'd better check that also! )

P.P.S What is wrong with ridiculous questions or replies anyway?

 

[Ogmios]

......
P.P.S What is wrong with ridiculous questions or replies anyway?

i give up.
what IS wrong with etc etc?*


*both a ridiculous question AND reply

yeah - i know; coat/hat/door

 

[Malcvtr]

Jeez, what is up with people? Engineer has just pointed out a potential problem that most people would never be aware of. Most of us think cable ties are cable ties. Eng has just pointed out that's not the case and that there's a potential danger.

Thanks very much, mate I'm happy to have the info. Why several people here have got into a strop is beyond me

And why don't people just ride their bikes instead of fretting over the colour of their cable ties? I hope you never have something serious to worry about...

 

[GS-Stu]

I don't think that you have followed all of this thread - no one has said that you MUST or MUST not use them; the only people who get 'hung-up' are people with chips on their shoulders! My original comment to the use of silver cable ties was to the effect that the user ought to aware that it is a known issue - it really is! If they are going to be used in critical situations then beware! Whatever way you look at it, that is fair comment.

P.S. Tyres certainly are UV resistant the manufacturers make sure of that because of the application - Cable ties can be used in many applications and there any many types - it is sensible to choose the correct one for the application.

P.S. cable ties can also be attacked by oils - so if you are going to sun-sun screen to protect them against UV then you'd better check that also! )

P.P.S What is wrong with ridiculous questions or replies anyway?

My, My aren't we touchy!!

 

[Engineer]

Jeez, what is up with people? Engineer has just pointed out a potential problem that most people would never be aware of. Most of us think cable ties are cable ties. Eng has just pointed out that's not the case and that there's a potential danger.

Thanks very much, mate I'm happy to have the info. Why several people here have got into a strop is beyond me

And why don't people just ride their bikes instead of fretting over the colour of their cable ties? I hope you never have something serious to worry about...

Thanks - at last a voice of reason, intelligence and common sense amongst a lot of weirdness.

 

[GSmonkey]

Do engineers worry about every little aspect in life ?

When it comes to engineering..........yes Had a similar problem on my last job. Dumb contractor used a load of non UV stabilised PVC pipe on a hypochlorite unit. One of my piping materials engineers spotted this when reviewing the drawings. Ended up having to paint half of it (at great expense) and then put sun shades over the rest.

As engineer said, attention to detail is a pre-requisite for engineering. You'd be surprised how many big companies get the basics wrong. Which is why as an engineer you have to check every detail. Failure to follow quite rigorous procedures can quite easily lead failures and ultimately fatalities if things go very wrong. Thats the bottom line.