Anal?

[Ogmios]

..... amongst a lot of weirdness.

oh thank you
i take that as a compliment



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serious content;

GSmonkeys point about the value of engineering is quite right .
so often we see grand designs - let down by failure to think it through and realise the Value of the Engineers role

 

[buckles]

well just to be on the safe side i'm going to tyerap my tyres on and ride in the shade,

 

[GS-Stu]

To put things in perspective...

All tyres - no matter what compound they are made of are subject deterioration as a result of UV radiation. I would condider this more important than the possibility of cable-ties failing & would be very surprised if anyone here makes any attempt to reduce the effects of UV radiation on their tyres.

The following text is available on the AA website....

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/safety/tyre-life-and-age.html

Of particular note, is the text under the 'Tyre Age' heading.

Is it possible that we're spending too much time worrying & not enough time riding??

 

[Malcvtr]

Is it possible that we're spending too much time worrying & not enough time riding??

I refer you to my last post: "And why don't people just ride their bikes instead of fretting over the colour of their cable ties?" IIRC it was you who felt that "The silver ties are a really cheap & useful tip in my opinion." Useful? Really? Silver ties are more useful than black ones?

 

[Engineer]

All tyres - no matter what compound they are made of are subject deterioration as a result of UV radiation. I would condider this more important than the possibility of cable-ties failing & would be very surprised if anyone here makes any attempt to reduce the effects of UV radiation on their tyres.

The following text is available on the AA website....

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/safety/tyre-life-and-age.html

Of particular note, is the text under the 'Tyre Age' heading.

Is it possible that we're spending too much time worrying & not enough time riding??

One should always check one's tyres for obvious reasons - but UV deterioration is not normally a worry on car or motorcycle tyres, because (i) they are protected against it! and (ii) because of (i) they will almost certainly wear out before UV has any significant deleterious effect.
You would only need to worry if you kept the same tyres for years and years without changing them. I think the article points this out.

If non UV stabilsed cable ties are used in critical applications (say ABS electrical circuits) that could be exposed to sunlight and heat, they ought to be periodically checked - better still use the correct type of cable tie and not worry at all!.

Having said all that, the silver cable ties look better than the black ones, especially on a silver frame - one wonders why the manufacturers don't fit them as standard; they are such cheap things that cost cannot be the issue.

P.S. Carbon black is used in tyres for UV stabilsation. http://carbon-black.org/uses.html

 

[GS-Stu]

I refer you to my last post: "And why don't people just ride their bikes instead of fretting over the colour of their cable ties?" IIRC it was you who felt that "The silver ties are a really cheap & useful tip in my opinion." Useful? Really? Silver ties are more useful than black ones?

If you'd read my reply properly, then you would have noted that I've commented on the tip of using silver cable ties being useful & not the cable ties themselves.

 

[GS-Stu]

One should always check one's tyres for obvious reasons - but UV deterioration is not normally a worry on car or motorcycle tyres, because (i) they are protected against it! and (ii) because of (i) they will almost certainly wear out before UV has any significant deleterious effect.
You would only need to worry if you kept the same tyres for years and years without changing them. I think the article points this out.

If non UV stabilsed cable ties are used in critical applications (say ABS electrical circuits) that could be exposed to sunlight and heat, they ought to be periodically checked - better still use the correct type of cable tie and not worry at all!.

Having said all that, the silver cable ties look better than the black ones, especially on a silver frame - one wonders why the manufacturers don't fit them as standard; they are such cheap things that cost cannot be the issue.

P.S. Carbon black is used in tyres for UV stabilsation. http://carbon-black.org/uses.html

I totally agree with all your comments except I would like to add that tyres are checked as part of an M.O.T test & part of this check is to determine whether the tyres (particularly the sidewalls) have any cracks which can often be atttributed to UV penetration.

I'll leave it at that I think..

 

[Malcvtr]

If you'd read my reply properly, then you would have noted that I've commented on the tip of using silver cable ties being useful & not the cable ties themselves.

You should be a lawyer, mate

 

[Hookster]

OMG! What have I done?

I'm going to incorporate a general UV deterioration check into my Pre Ride Routine and pay even closer detail to what's there and not there when I wash the bike.

On the plus side, as said bike spends most of its life in the Sharage (bigger than a Shed, smaller than a Garage) with only a teeny window for the nasty UV's to come in via, I reckon they'll be good for about 3 years.

What's more the EU Legislators ought to get right on this and make sure that all tie wraps and any critical componets are marked to show their UV rating. In the good old days this would have been a simple and honest BSI Kite Mark.

Don't get me started............

 

[BTBR]

Big Trail Bike Rider, Moderator of this parish and all round anal twat!

 

[Engineer]

OMG! What have I done?

I'm going to incorporate a general UV deterioration check into my Pre Ride Routine and pay even closer detail to what's there and not there when I wash the bike.

On the plus side, as said bike spends most of its life in the Sharage (bigger than a Shed, smaller than a Garage) with only a teeny window for the nasty UV's to come in via, I reckon they'll be good for about 3 years.

What's more the EU Legislators ought to get right on this and make sure that all tie wraps and any critical componets are marked to show their UV rating. In the good old days this would have been a simple and honest BSI Kite Mark.

Don't get me started............

Yeah, but do you have light in your "Sharage"? Might it by any chance generate a teeny weeny bit of U.V.

My guess is that the bike manufacturers use U.V. automotive rated cable ties for all the reasons discussed so far and that the suppliers of said components provide all the necessary details in their datasheets - Hmmmmm I bet they only come in black!

 

[Pip5ter]

OMG! What have I done?

I'm going to incorporate a general UV deterioration check into my Pre Ride Routine and pay even closer detail to what's there and not there when I wash the bike.

On the plus side, as said bike spends most of its life in the Sharage (bigger than a Shed, smaller than a Garage) with only a teeny window for the nasty UV's to come in via, I reckon they'll be good for about 3 years.

What's more the EU Legislators ought to get right on this and make sure that all tie wraps and any critical componets are marked to show their UV rating. In the good old days this would have been a simple and honest BSI Kite Mark.

Don't get me started............

Dear me Hooky, you've really started something here eh?
All very interesting mind..........I think there needs to be more debate on the subject In the meantime I'll stick with the black 'uns

 

[Hookster]

Sleepless In Garforth

Dear me Hooky, you've really started something here eh?
All very interesting mind..........I think there needs to be more debate on the subject In the meantime I'll stick with the black 'uns

Ey up si thi Daleslad

I did didn't I? Bloody Yorkshire thrift, I can't help it. I have inspected the beggers under a 'hard of seeing glass' and can find any markings to trace their origin. the packaging is plain plaggy and the 'dealer' just gets them form t'wholesale, so no way to trace 'em back to source.

So I'm thinking....

Is it Blondie with Die Young, Stay Pretty or Amy Widemouth with Back to Black?

 

[Davy F]

I can't help thinking that some people must reckon that the bike will fall to bits by just changing a few cable ties.


According to 1100/1150 owners, the 12GS can fall to bits of its own accord.

 

[Ogmios]

shock horror

NOW i'm confused
as i ride the older more basic Airhead, should i be using baling wire or string?
and if it's string, should it be sisal or hemp or maybe even flax?!
OMG
theres knothing in the manual about this!

~~
Og,
*removes tongue from cheek and exits*

 

[Engineer]

NOW i'm confused
as i ride the older more basic Airhead, should i be using baling wire or string?
and if it's string, should it be sisal or hemp or maybe even flax?!
OMG
theres knothing in the manual about this!

~~
Og,
*removes tongue from cheek and exits*

That's the problem with those old clunkers - most of their owners have died off by now and they didn't leave any notes. Time to upgrade so that you can have the same worries as the rest of us.

 

[Ogmios]

suck. squeeze. bang. blow.

That's the problem with those old clunkers - most of their owners have died off by now and they didn't leave any notes. Time to upgrade so that you can have the same worries as the rest of us.

hrumph
thank you - but i'll stick with the neuroses i know so well.

anyhow....
Bikes should be like lovers;
reliable, easy to ride, low maintenance and can go all day long

 

[Engineer]

Dear me Hooky, you've really started something here eh?
All very interesting mind..........I think there needs to be more debate on the subject In the meantime I'll stick with the black 'uns

Oh goody - more debate; well here we go.

The 'daddy' of cable tie manufacturers is probably Thomas & Betts. They provide full material specs and data for their products - see here http://www.tnb.com/ps/pubint/index.cgi?a=get_sub&cid=2

They have about 8 gazillion different types - it is interesting to note that out of all the types only the black ones are UV resistant as far as I can see. Many of their products are UL and Llyods registered so they are the real deal.

For those who may be interested ) here is some of the material data they provide to help with the correct and safe choice .

P.S. just noted that there are some non-nylon 6.6 types in weird colours that are UV resistant - maroon and aquamarine I think.

 

[WindyChuffer]

F**k me, what an anal topic. Had my GSA for 18 months and never even noticed my cable ties were black. But then I don't stand around jerking off over my bike. There's better things to jerk off over !

 

[Davy F]

There's better things to jerk off over !

Ok, so by admission you're a w*nker.

Anything else you'd like to share ?