Another fault found by a GS-911

[Reaper]

Loaded the software on my phone to give the bike a quick check and a fault was found.

0167 output stage to electric fuel pump.

So I cleared the fault then started the bike and the fault came straight back.

No idea what the fault means but will do some research and also do a full diag with my computer.

 

[Slowdown]

Good one!

We really need to find/produce a list of fault codes/descriptions together with solutions and have them in one place....

 

[MikeP]

Good one!

We really need to find/produce a list of fault codes/descriptions together with solutions and have them in one place....

Great idea.

That ought to help all the paranoid 1200 owners awaiting the next failure (even though their bike seems to be working fine despite the presence of a fault-code).

 

[GSband]

Good one!

We really need to find/produce a list of fault codes/descriptions together with solutions and have them in one place....

+1

 

[Dahoum]

Great idea.

That ought to help all the paranoid 1200 owners awaiting the next failure (even though their bike seems to be working fine despite the presence of a fault-code).

 

[Fanum]

Isn't it a bit pointless (read UTTERLY POINTLESS) to have a device which reports fault codes without having something that tells you what the codes mean anyway?

 

[MikeP]

Isn't it a bit pointless (read UTTERLY POINTLESS) to have a device which reports fault codes without having something that tells you what the codes mean anyway?

No.

The nail-biting wouldn't be as intense.

 

[Fanum]

No.

The nail-biting wouldn't be as intense.

Ah well, as long as it makes them happy

 

[Slowdown]

Isn't it a bit pointless (read UTTERLY POINTLESS) to have a device which reports fault codes without having something that tells you what the codes mean anyway?

Yea - but I got the version that makes toast and tea while you're waiting for the recovery truck.



And the 'known' issues, for instance should the side stand switch(s) break, preventing the bike starting, produce really obvious fault codes/messages. It's the niggly ones we need to learn from. Which, like everything else, comes from experience. (e.g. - how many non 'UTTERLY POINTLESS' error messages do you get from your PC/Windows/Linux etc*???)



*I have one at the moment - '[UNS] Failed to subscribe to local Intel(R) AMT.'
My computer still works, but a quick Google tells me I need to enable some stuff and load the latest versions. Does that kinda make sense?

 

[Fanum]

And the 'known' issues, for instance should the side stand switch(s) break, preventing the bike starting, produce really obvious fault codes/messages. It's the niggly ones we need to learn from. Which, like everything else, comes from experience. (e.g. - how many non 'UTTERLY POINTLESS' error messages do you get from your PC/Windows/Linux etc*???)

That's what I was getting at......It's not pointless to have error messages on a PC 'cos I have online manuals and a freely available support system that tells me exactly what they mean and how to deal with the problem (even if some of the messages themselves could be described as 'pointless')

These OBD devices are only as good as the information that let you understand and deal with the faults they can identify, and I would have thought they should come with a book or help section that tells you what they all mean EDIT......that was what was behind the whole idea of te OBD2 standards....to free up information and let everyone have access to understanding car and bike faults (well, car actually) so wrest the arcane knowledge out of the hands of the manufacturers and dealers)

PS a bit like this one for your PC error code

 

[ebbo]

Loaded the software on my phone to give the bike a quick check and a fault was found.

0167 output stage to electric fuel pump.

So I cleared the fault then started the bike and the fault came straight back.

No idea what the fault means but will do some research and also do a full diag with my computer.

I would read that as the fuel pump controller on its way out

 

[shugie]

I would read that as the fuel pump controller on its way out

That's what I reckon too, interesting that the computer knows of a fault condition like that before the bike actually stops working.

 

[Decster]

I would read that as the fuel pump controller on its way out

What on its way out to the pub, shops......where is it going and will it come back..

 

[MattW]

OCD

As others have said - while the GS911 is undoubtedly a useful thing, it has great potential to turn into a real obsessive compulsive disorder.

Pre GS911's you just used your bike till it broke or you got a visual / audible clue that something was wrong. Now you can worry that your bike might be broken and you don't even know it!!

I wonder how often people will be making these 'routine fault code checks'....

Every ride?
Once a week?
Every month?

Every 10 minutes?


And as Fanum says, without the knowledge to interpret these codes the usefulness is severely compromised.

"Output stage to electric fuel pump"

Output stage of what?

The fuel pump controller?
The motronic?
The fuel pressure regulator?
Is the code telling you that the output stage of the fuel pump or another device is in error?
Is it telling you that there's a canbus comms fault and that the FPC isn't receiving correct data?
Does it matter anyway? - Will the FPC / pump continue to run and ignore the error condition?

 

[MikeP]

Loaded the software on my phone to give the bike a quick check and a fault was found.

0167 output stage to electric fuel pump.

So I cleared the fault then started the bike and the fault came straight back.

No idea what the fault means but will do some research and also do a full diag with my computer.

I've just been in touch with my local friendly dealership and asked what 0167 refers to.

Apparently the wording is a blind.

Code 0167 is the bike saying, "Oh feck. Here we go again. Another owner with one of them Chinese diagnostic jobbies. Let's give him something just to make him think that his bit of kit actually works."

 

[Fanum]

I've just been in touch with my local friendly dealership and asked what 0167 refers to.

Apparently the wording is a blind.

Code 0167 is the bike saying, "Oh feck. Here we go again. Another owner with one of them Chinese diagnostic jobbies. Let's give him something just to make him think that his bit of kit actually works."

You're a very bad man MrP

 

[shugie]

It's not Chinese, if it were Chinese code 167 would mean egg fried rice, it's a South African contraption.

 

[ianboydsnr]

Loaded the software on my phone to give the bike a quick check and a fault was found.

0167 output stage to electric fuel pump.

So I cleared the fault then started the bike and the fault came straight back.

No idea what the fault means but will do some research and also do a full diag with my computer.

Its a warning that the rider spends to much time against the throttle stops

 

[Pukmeister]

You might find the mobile phone software is pretty basic and the PC based version has more functionality.

Have you tried it with a laptop/PC and found the same fault and if so, did it go into more specific detail ??

As an aside, has anyone used their GS911 on an older non-can bike eg 1150GS/A yet ??

 

[Reaper]

Its a warning that the rider spends to much time against the throttle stops

Trust you Ian.


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Have installed the full version on my PC(which has Aware in it) and done a full diag and the fault is there and this is what it says.

GS911 Version:904.1 Date:17/06/2009
10167: Output stage to Electric Fuel Pump faulty (Fuel pump electronics/driver)
The fault is currently present.

I can clear the fault but as I said in post 1 it comes straight back when the bike is started up.

Will try and find out just how friendly BMW dealers are and ask there advice.