That’s old tech Neil W . You should try the Edge onwards , with its newer Mesh technology and voice commands.
Any real difference between Sena and cardo. Built in comms for possible new shoie helmet and can they talk to one another.
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That’s old tech Neil W . You should try the Edge onwards , with its newer Mesh technology and voice commands.
Fairs. I felt the same but would rather have it nowadays. Alerting others to road dangers, route changes, the presence of Police and/or cameras, the reason why we are stopping and that a coffee break venue is being sought, IMHO, outweigh any disadvantges that you mention. I respect your quest for a quiet life.
I watched as a pal of mine overtook a turning car at a junction.
I saw the car indicator flash 3 times before it turned, so tons of time, but for some reason he didn’t notice.
If we’d have had comms it would have certainly prevented the accident and his repatriation back to the UK.
I saw the car indicator flash 3 times before it turned, so tons of time, but for some reason he didn’t notice.
If we’d have had comms it would have certainly prevented the accident and his repatriation back to the UK.
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I have a vague recall of reading something about Cardo Mesh and Sena Mesh becoming Compatible --- perhaps it was a month or so ago, might have been in MCN ???
For what it's worth I returned a Sena ST1 Spider, within warranty and it was replaced with no quible.
That second ST1 was also replaced within warranty no quible.
The third ST1 is still functioning (out of warranty).
It is regularly operated faultlessly with a.n.other ST1 -- that ST1 has not been replaced and is now out of warranty.
For what it's worth I returned a Sena ST1 Spider, within warranty and it was replaced with no quible.
That second ST1 was also replaced within warranty no quible.
The third ST1 is still functioning (out of warranty).
It is regularly operated faultlessly with a.n.other ST1 -- that ST1 has not been replaced and is now out of warranty.
I've just bought a new Sena Outrush flip front helmet as it came with a free integrated Sena comms and speakers already fitted. Got it mainly as it was one of only a few helmets that fit over my chin and my old SMH10 unit was getting tired and not keeping it's charge for long. Thought as it was Mesh 3 compatible it would connect easily with my mates who have gone the Cardo route..... but we couldn't get them to pair despite much faffing. The Sena online manual doesn't mention the Cardo specifically, just says it will pair with lots of riders in your group. Not very clear whether they mean people only using Sena comms or other brands.
As an aside, I'm really happy with the helmet, superb speakers and super long battery life on the unit. I can easily do 3 full days without charging up
As an aside, I'm really happy with the helmet, superb speakers and super long battery life on the unit. I can easily do 3 full days without charging up
I have a Senna 50R, and the Mrs the Autocom 16 (which runs same hardware) and they work great, the Senna also connects fine with a mates old non-mesh Senna integrated system.
I understand Cardo can do a BT connection to a single Senna unit, and in theory that would bring the Senna user into the Cardo mesh chat - but the rider connected to the Senna needs to stick close by.
I find my Senna "voice activation" utterly useless, but hook it up via my Garmin Zumo which gives me a music player and easy way to bring up phone menu to call on the move without having to fuck about with weird button presses on the headset whcih is like trying to play a version of the electronic game of "simon says" one handed whilst riding a motorcycle.
Basically, buy what most your mates have (or the ones you would prefer to talk to) seems to be good advice, and (IMHO) if there is an option for upgraded or "HD" audio take it, I can hear music at Motorway speeds and clearly hear others speak.
I understand Cardo can do a BT connection to a single Senna unit, and in theory that would bring the Senna user into the Cardo mesh chat - but the rider connected to the Senna needs to stick close by.
I find my Senna "voice activation" utterly useless, but hook it up via my Garmin Zumo which gives me a music player and easy way to bring up phone menu to call on the move without having to fuck about with weird button presses on the headset whcih is like trying to play a version of the electronic game of "simon says" one handed whilst riding a motorcycle.
Basically, buy what most your mates have (or the ones you would prefer to talk to) seems to be good advice, and (IMHO) if there is an option for upgraded or "HD" audio take it, I can hear music at Motorway speeds and clearly hear others speak.
Well just found out that my new Sena helmet with built in Outrush 2 intercom will not pair with any non Sena headsets 
Sena have removed the Universal Intercom Pairing option from the menu, which was really helpful of them
Sena have removed the Universal Intercom Pairing option from the menu, which was really helpful of them
I use the Senna srl (I think it’s the “2”) and never had any issues using mesh. Bluetooth imho is a waste of time and yesterday’s comm tech. Mesh allows up to 7 of us to pick a channel and each turns on mesh and sets their units to this channel, job done. Range is very impressive and my standard battery lasts around 8 hrs. It can be embarrassing/funny when you come across other riders using the same mesh channel, and the cause of much hilarity!
Yes, Mesh and its ability to automatically and seamlessly reconnect, is a game changer.
Both Sena and Cardo are fab at this … shame not fab at sharing with each other !
Both Sena and Cardo are fab at this … shame not fab at sharing with each other !
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I recently discovered that Sena have made a number of upgrades to their Mesh system and of course added on some even better and more expensive versions.
We found out about the Mesh changes when a friend bought an ST1 last week.
First thing he did was connect it to the Sena App to get the latest firmware -- as per the instructions in the box.
Those of our group with ST1s have been running on Channel 9.
We discovered the NEW ST1 had 6 channels, not 9 and would not link to ours even when we changed to Channel 3 and tried Group mesh.
Since that duscovery the older ST1s have been cinnected to the App and the new firmware installed.
We have not tried communication between them as yet.
We found out about the Mesh changes when a friend bought an ST1 last week.
First thing he did was connect it to the Sena App to get the latest firmware -- as per the instructions in the box.
Those of our group with ST1s have been running on Channel 9.
We discovered the NEW ST1 had 6 channels, not 9 and would not link to ours even when we changed to Channel 3 and tried Group mesh.
Since that duscovery the older ST1s have been cinnected to the App and the new firmware installed.
We have not tried communication between them as yet.
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We leave ours on open mesh, sometimes random people drop in on our channel and we have a quick chat whilst they’re in range , sometimes we see who it is and give them a wave as we pass
We find it quite cool as bikers are all pretty friendly over here
We find it quite cool as bikers are all pretty friendly over here
As I understand it... (no idea anymore where I read it)... Cardo and others are very keen to establish a 'standard' comms protocol, so that all comms units can work together. However Sena have no interest in this... being the market leader.
Also, I only discovered after I'd bought and installed it, that the Sena 50S (and almost certainly other (all?) models) are not waterproof. So in the rain, water gets into the contacts and creates all sorts of gremlins...
For those reasons... I'm keen to replace my 50S with a Cardo whenever I can come up with a good excuse...
Also, I only discovered after I'd bought and installed it, that the Sena 50S (and almost certainly other (all?) models) are not waterproof. So in the rain, water gets into the contacts and creates all sorts of gremlins...
For those reasons... I'm keen to replace my 50S with a Cardo whenever I can come up with a good excuse...
One drop of a crash helmet and you might have to buy another.
A built in system means that you have to buy the same.
I was one of the first buyers of the un-noteworthy Shuberth C4, and had the inbuilt comms.
Never again.
A built in system means that you have to buy the same.
I was one of the first buyers of the un-noteworthy Shuberth C4, and had the inbuilt comms.
Never again.
Think I will go Cardo Pack Talk in my new Neotec 3
Sena leads the market in built in helmet comms, partnering with helmet manufacturers. Cardo leads in aftermarket units. Technology wise, there is nothing between them. Both have their fans and haters
I'm using the Edge in my Neotec 3 and have just upgraded to the open mesh update. It all works really well and pairs with my older Bold (which my wife uses). If mounting on the Neotec I can recommend the helmet mount from Tubbs Jackson, it fits really well in the space where the integrated unit fits on the Neotec. Bit pricey, but I have his mounts on several helmets and they work well.
Thanks for the tips
