Alright then smarty, why do cows stand in the shade on hot days?
Same reason we do
I do find the BMW Atlantis leather cooler than most textile suits................apart from something like a Rallye suit
Anyone crash tested textile gear?
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Same reason we do
I do find the BMW Atlantis leather cooler than most textile suits................apart from something like a Rallye suit
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No material, whether natural or synthetic, can possibly withstand all of the demands made of it in all circumstances.
Some do better than others IN CERTAIN circumstances........wear resistance when being slid along the tarmac at 80, impact protection (ho ho fucking ho, really?) with CE armour, melting fabric under severe abrasion....it ain't gonna happen
All of them have their advantages and disadvantages.....I've slid up the road in a Rukka air kit, fallen off a cliff wearing leather and had offies in combined kit....I've also worn inappropriate protection for more severe rides but have been more alert and more comfortable because of it, which has probably over-ridden the benefits that the crash protection of more 'safe' kit might have provided me with.
I ride in jeans and a light bike jacket sometimes, but when doing so, I ride like a nun........it all balances out.
NOTHING you wear can possibly protect you from what you might meet on the road, so all you can do is wear what you are most comfortable in, whether that comfort comes from the false belief that you are protected, or the more realistic belief that you are only protected by the way in which you ride.
Any belief that fabric or leather protects you more in all circumstances is, IMO, misguided, in exactly the same way that "Hi Vis" or '"loud pipes" saves lives.......
The sooner people accept that the only thing that protects you IS THE WAY YOU RIDE and your experience/foresight, the better
Sorry, but that's the way I see it and feel it
Some do better than others IN CERTAIN circumstances........wear resistance when being slid along the tarmac at 80, impact protection (ho ho fucking ho, really?) with CE armour, melting fabric under severe abrasion....it ain't gonna happen
All of them have their advantages and disadvantages.....I've slid up the road in a Rukka air kit, fallen off a cliff wearing leather and had offies in combined kit....I've also worn inappropriate protection for more severe rides but have been more alert and more comfortable because of it, which has probably over-ridden the benefits that the crash protection of more 'safe' kit might have provided me with.
I ride in jeans and a light bike jacket sometimes, but when doing so, I ride like a nun........it all balances out.
NOTHING you wear can possibly protect you from what you might meet on the road, so all you can do is wear what you are most comfortable in, whether that comfort comes from the false belief that you are protected, or the more realistic belief that you are only protected by the way in which you ride.
Any belief that fabric or leather protects you more in all circumstances is, IMO, misguided, in exactly the same way that "Hi Vis" or '"loud pipes" saves lives.......
The sooner people accept that the only thing that protects you IS THE WAY YOU RIDE and your experience/foresight, the better
Sorry, but that's the way I see it and feel it
Sorry, but that's the way I see it and feel it
No need to apologise, you've just stated the bleedin obvious except it's the stopping that kills you
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No need to apologise, you've just stated the bleedin obvious except it's the stopping that kills you
Eggsakkerly
Not crash tested one so off topic. What we really would appear to need is a Pro-Shell textile jacket with water resistant leather at the key impact/friction points. I have an old HG Toureg suit which is similar except it has a seperate Gore Tex liner instead of the bonded shell so it get heavy when wet. I've always thought it would offer good protection.
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Toubab
.....massive sea change in the way that road designers think about things......(fixed to reflect my bias on the subject
)As Timotei implied above, it's not the kit you wear, but "the stopping that kills you".
Nearly all modern bike suits will protect you to a fairly high degree from gravel rash and friction heat.
NONE of them though will protect you from those razor wire strands that we have inbetween some roadside barrier systems, or a poorly placed lamp-post or sign.
The technology for a rigid yet more sliding-biker friendly pole has existed for a long while- It was demonstrated on Top Gear years ago and has no doubt developed much since then, but have we seen any evidence of it? have we fuck. (Yes, there are some odd ones about, but shirley it ought to be a national standard!)
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Kangaroo skin is best
Kangaroo skin is best
Kangaroo leather might be best for a while from new but human sweat rots the leather after a time.
There is an old boy i sometimes go out on the bikes with and after my crash he said -You have to remember,bikes were never designed for falling off!
If you have a decent wicking first layer in the summer the heat aspect can be alleviated some what. The other thing is jackets with vents even permanent ones generate a good airflow. The thing I do miss and notice is the convenience of pockets though, most leather suits don't facilitate them in their designs, unless you land up with some baggy air inflating balloon or type of safari jacket out of cow.
Mr K
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Are you some kind of pervert...or an American?
Its worth thinking about the active safety of motorcycle gear. I see lots of guys in summer in Europe wearing leather jacket and trousers and getting very hot.
This is quite dangerous on a bike - allowing your core temperature to rise by even a couple of degrees (not difficult for a generously proportioned tosser riding in leather gear on a warm August afternoon in the south of France) reduces your judgement and concentration as much as being over the drink drive limit.
So, whilst leather gear and ATGATT might protect you somewhat in an accident (and the benefit is always marginal) it might make you more likely to have a spill in the first place.
Helmets don't help either.
This is quite dangerous on a bike - allowing your core temperature to rise by even a couple of degrees (not difficult for a generously proportioned tosser riding in leather gear on a warm August afternoon in the south of France) reduces your judgement and concentration as much as being over the drink drive limit.
So, whilst leather gear and ATGATT might protect you somewhat in an accident (and the benefit is always marginal) it might make you more likely to have a spill in the first place.
Helmets don't help either.
Yes. every day.
No choice really - i've osteoporosis and feel obliged to do my best, for myself, if the 'worst should happen'.
Or as the medics put it when i asked for advice on what i should now do when on my Bike - "dont fall off" was the answer.
I'm more in danger of breakages than slide damage - these jackets do as much as possible (here. in the real world) to avoid impact damage.
... but none of my feckin Bike jackets fit over the feckin thing!
(written in haste / errors may be writ also.)
I believe Armacor has a similar level of abrasion resistance to cowhide. However, a Hein Gericke PSX suit would appear to be what Sir is looking for.
I tend to wear leather most of the time, and by and large think this will give me the best protection. Aside from sliding down the road, the other good bit of protection that a proper fitting leather suit offers is soft tissue / ligament protection. If your suit fits you properly, you should walk like a gibbon and not be able to bend over and pick something up off the floor easily !! (You know how you can put one hand down the back of yer neck, and one hand up from the base of yer spine and touch fingers ... ?? That sort of thing should be impossible!). If you come off at speed, it should go somewhere towards binding your limbs in their natural position.
Impact?? Mneh ...
What ever you're wearing, it's gonna hurt when you hit that kerb.
Good video from Bisbee re Doohans road safety message ...
(You know how you can put one hand down the back of yer neck, and one hand up from the base of yer spine and touch fingers ... ?? That sort of thing should be impossible!). If you come off at speed, it should go somewhere towards binding your limbs in their natural position. Impact?? Mneh ...
What ever you're wearing, it's gonna hurt when you hit that kerb. Good video from Bisbee re Doohans road safety message ...
Grim Rider
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I had a bad crash a few years ago while wearing a BMW Tourance suit. Ended up with a badly broken femur but the armour probably saved my knee from worse injury to it, and the suit survived the impact and slide down the road without much damage (until the paramedics cut through it all!). Slid down the road last week in my Aerostich Roadcrafter at about 30mph, not a mark on me or the suit (think the cows hit reduced the friction ).
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Flekin scary things these bikes seems to be a load of peeps having "off,s" 
N here,s me setting off tae sit on the thing next week for about 8k miles
Oh well best not have an off if I can avoid it wouldn't,t want tae wreck me nice Klim suit
N here,s me setting off tae sit on the thing next week for about 8k miles
Oh well best not have an off if I can avoid it wouldn't,t want tae wreck me nice Klim suit
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