Anyone swapped the switchgear?

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Anyone done it?

I'm getting a bit fed up with the silly indicator switches and am seriously considering changing to normal switchgear. I realise that this will entail alternative mastercylinders and mirror mounts as well. (I am breaking a Ducati ST2 at the moment so most parts are available).

The one that I'm scratching my head about is the need to have a switch contact closure to cancel the indicators, as conventional switchgear doesn't make a contact on switchoff.

Most of the time its not a problem but I do have an issue with 25 years of conditioning to press forward with my left thumb for the horn. When some one lurking in a side road inches forward then my automatic reaction has me indicating left which kind of invites them out. :blast Riding the RT on alternate weeks doesn't help matters.

Thanks, Mark
 
no need,just change the relay to a ?
and as soon as I remember the name of it ill tell ya,
 
its called signalMinder with auto cancellation as well,indicate with left button cancell with left button,indicate with right button,cancell with right button as other features as well,had one on mine for over 3 years
 
On the left bar, you've the horn switch above the left indicator.
Can these be swapped just by swapping wires?

On the right, the cancel switch is above the right indicator.
If I was doing the left, I'd swap these as well so the indicators switches would be in the same place on both sides.

Then you'd have the horn where it need least planning to press.

Indicating is something you plan to do and we quickly learn where they are without thinking anyway.

Angry left indicating at somebody tends to have little effect. :D
 
I ride a Blackbird as well as my GS regularly and don't have any problems, by the time I'm out of the village I've sussed which I'm riding.

Reckon you just need more practice....there, you can tell the wife you have to go out more often, for your own safety's sake. 'More practice will make you safer'.....:thumb
 
Shapeshifter said:
its called signalMinder with auto cancellation as well,indicate with left button cancell with left button,indicate with right button,cancell with right button as other features as well,had one on mine for over 3 years
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HOLY COW.....Just googled this....... nice idea......even nicer price.....for the seller......$109.95, on which I'd assume some pretty hefty postage and import duty's to pay.

Or is there a cheap rip off copy available somewhere?
 
The horn is fine as long as you know you're going to press it, in a real emergency, say when a car's pulling out from your left, guess which flippin indicator goes on at the same time as the horn, the last thing you need!

99/100 I prefer the bmw switches to 'normal', they should become 2nd nature.:beerjug:
 
Nothing wrong with BMW indicator switches, when I got the Triumph I nearly pulled the indicator switch off that bloody thing drives me nuts!

Try going from left indicator to right indicator to exit a roundabout on a normal switch as easily as the BMW system.
 
steve case said:
Try going from left indicator to right indicator to exit a roundabout on a normal switch as easily as the BMW system.
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My CBT students don't have a problem with that.....it must be your thumb doesn't work properly:D
 
Littledumptruck said:
HOLY COW.....Just googled this....... nice idea......even nicer price.....for the seller......$109.95, on which I'd assume some pretty hefty postage and import duty's to pay.

Or is there a cheap rip off copy available somewhere?
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I believe Nippy Norman's do them.....Kisan Signalminder :thumb2

Superb product, I've had mine on for 5-6 years now, and it works well.

As Shapeshifter said, you can indicate and cancel with the same button, or cancel with the opposite button.

It also auto-cancels, which is over-ridden by braking, so if you are sat at a roundabout or junction, you don't lose the signal as long as you have a brake on.

If you push and hold an indicator, ity 'fast flashes', which is a useful thing for changing lanes on a m'way/dial carriageway

I originally got mine because the Signmalminder also drives Vectralights, little led indicator/brake light strips to go on the back corners of over-sized panniers (the normal indicators get obscured by the panniers at anything more than about 20 degrees off centreline )

Having said that, I'd get another one because it just does everything I want to do :)

Oh yes, and it will run all the indicators as 'permanently on' markers, with three choices of brightness, but they still work as indicators (durrr, obviously :blast)

There's no mucking about with wiring either, it's literally a plug and play module that simply replaces the OEM BMW flasher unit....unless you want to use the brake function to delay the autocancel of indicators, in which case, there is one connection to be made.

Hmmmm....I just looked at Nippy's site but they don't pop up easily in the search.

I'm sure I got mine from him though.....may well be worth giving him a tinkle :thumb2
 
Its what yer used to, I've used the BMW system for 10 years so normal indicators make me swear, can't stand em.

For a lot of other folk its the reverse tho.

With me Triumph I'll just get used to the switch (or remove the indicators)
 
Fanum said:
I believe Nippy Norman's do them.....Kisan Signalminder :thumb2

Superb product, I've had mine on for 5-6 years now, and it works well.

As Shapeshifter said, you can indicate and cancel with the same button, or cancel with the opposite button.

It also auto-cancels, which is over-ridden by braking, so if you are sat at a roundabout or junction, you don't lose the signal as long as you have a brake on.

If you push and hold an indicator, ity 'fast flashes', which is a useful thing for changing lanes on a m'way/dial carriageway

Oh yes, and it will run all the indicators as 'permanently on' markers, with three choices of brightness, but they still work as indicators (durrr, obviously :blast)

There's no mucking about with wiring either, it's literally a plug and play module that simply replaces the OEM BMW flasher unit....unless you want to use the brake function to delay the autocancel of indicators, in which case, there is one connection to be made.

Hmmmm....I just looked at Nippy's site but they don't pop up easily in the search.

I'm sure I got mine from him though.....may well be worth giving him a tinkle :thumb2
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I'll second everything Bill has said - because i've got one as well.
Paid £36 for mine a few years ago.

My harley has the same indicator set up as bmw, left switch for left and right for right. But you just press the same switch to cancel. It also self cancels and the bike is 20 years old, why BMW couldn't build this function into their bikes i don't know.
 
Thanks for the replies.

SignalMinder is an interesting sounding thing but its not exactly what I'm after. Looking at the bike tonight it seems that you can hold down either turn switch whilst the indicator is running and also you can hold the cancel switch down with no ill effects whilst the indicators are not running.

Therefore I think I can hook up a changeover relay to close either the left switch or the cancel switch, ditto for the right. If the relasys are driven from the conventional switch I think I've cracked it. Still need to think through it again but I believe it will work ok.

This means that I don't have to replace the RH switchgear which will still work the starter and heated grips (and have 2 redundant switches)

The LH switch will work the lights on/off and dip/main, indicators, horn and flash.

If it works I'll post a pic - if it doesn't I'll probably keep quiet and hope everyone forgets....

Mark
 
Timolgra said:
Expensive now
https://www.kisantech.com/view_product.php?product=SM-5
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Thats the site I found. The Triumph one is irrelevent as it's the wrong one and wouldn't fit the Bmw's. Exchange rate would bring the right one down to a similar price as the triumph one, but post and duty's will bring it back over £100.

Just can't see how the problem exists that it needs over a £100 to solve it.

However I do seem to recal that the monthly mags use to say that the left hand control could be replaced with one from a ***** to convert it to standard indicator switchear. Can't remember which one though and I ain't searching through hundreds of old mags to find out :augie
 
Steptoe said:
Blimey -might be worth opening mine up getting the circuit board copied, i'd imagine it's contents total £1.50 worth of diodes. :augie
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Potential for another 20 page thread "Return of the link wire".
 
I've just noticed that the GS has a clutch switch and the ducati mastercylinder doesn't.

I assume the switch is just there so that you can only start in gear if the clutch is pulled in and it serves no other purpose.

Does anyone know otherwise?

Thank, Mark
 
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