anyone tried an 800?

Warraloadabollox....

They say that about the F650GS but people cross deserts and mountains on 'em. You crossed any recently? :augie

I've had the old R100RS, an R100R, one of the first four valve boxers, the R1100RS, then another, then an R1100S, an R1150GS followed by an R1150GS Adventure and a 1200GS Adventure. Gone best of the way round the world on mi F650GS...

....done about 300,000 miles on the four valve boxers since 1993

The F800ST is every bit as good as any of them :eek:

Yes Birdseye... there will be an F800GS, the boss man at BMW has said so!
I reckon on Spring next year if not before.... and I've got mi name on one :thumb

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My local BM dealer told me exactly the opposite of what you stated actually.
That the 800 is designed to bring people to BMW for the first time, and that there's no way a GS800 will be made "for a long while" as long as sales of GS/GSA 12s are high. They will likely introduce it to "pep up" the GS range on the down side of the sales graph.:nenau
Interesting.
 
"birdseye;916771 I'm asking because I dont want to replace my old 1200GS with exactly the same (thats a bit boring)"
For the moment I don't think you can improve on what you have - so settle down with a few catalogues such as Touratech, Wunderlich etc; and make your bike a 'one off'. You could easily change its colour scheme as well. It wont get any lighter of course but you will become more accustomed to its weight - perhaps!

Sadly Brian it's had not have. Some dim witted young female wrote it off, so I have to decide whether to replace now of to hang on for the 800GS - but how long? And is it certain?
 
F800S

I liked it so much I bought one. If they keep the weight down and make it as off-road capable as the KTM 950/990 Adventure I'm also going to own an F800GS. If not it will be a 690 Adventure.
 
My 12GS is booked in for its 12k service on the 6th of June and I was given a choice of demo. I've booked the 800ST as I haven't ridden one yet and I wanted to see how the VFR beater (according to BIKE :rolleyes: ) performed. I suppose another reason is an idea of how the 800 engine will adapt for the F800GS. A mate of mine has also placed a deposit on the 800GS for when it's released. I hope he doesn't have to wait too long tho'.
 
I too have spent a day with an 800S and like some I didn't like the riding position but that wasn't really your question was it?:rolleyes:

BMW must be in something of a quandary regarding the GS version because as it stands the 800's are every bit as quick as the 1200GS (what's more they even sound more like a Boxer than any 4 valve Boxer ever has)!

There are a lot of things I don't like about the 800S & ST but they are in truth more to do with the way BMW are screwing bikes together these days.:rob

Given that the F650GS is a lardy little bugger, I doubt that the 800GS will be less so.

There's the new 650 range and the 450 in the pipe-line for those who want limited range 'off roading' etc.

Let's face it, there's a sort of tipping-point (unfortunate choice of words possibly?) with all the GS's. Load-up a 650 to go off for any length of time and it's as unwieldy as it's bigger siblings in terms of dead weight.

That's why I've never really fallen for the hype about the lost weight of the 1200 over its predecessors, unless the intention is to ride a 1200 sans luggage, it's just fecking heavy when it's loaded like any other laden machine.

I think the F800GS (or whatever they call it when it comes out) is really going to be aimed at the vertically challenged and those throwback knuckle draggers who despite being able to ride the bigger GS's don't feel fully at home with one because planting a foot is always a bit of a lottery (let alone both feet).

Maybe BMW have at last realised that they shouldn't design bikes around "Herr average Boxhead" who stands 6 ft (1.83 m) in his stockinged feet? (mind you that fact is one of the reasons why I've always been more comfy on Beemers than virtually any other bike).

I was talking only yesterday to a bloke who has been riding for 47 years and has owned loads of Beemers, loves Boxers, desperately wants a GS, doesn't want a 650 and whose shoulder was just above the tank on my Adventure when it was on the main stand.

F800S? Not for me but I could almost forgive it not being a Boxer because it sounds so much like one!
 
Weight paranoia

"That's why I've never really fallen for the hype about the lost weight of the 1200 over its predecessors, unless the intention is to ride a 1200 sans luggage, it's just fecking heavy when it's loaded like any other laden machine." Maybe, but it seems to be generally agreed that the actual weight olf the 1200GS is never apparent except when wheeling it around the garage, parking- perhaps on a camber- on either stand, and.....no, cannot think of any other time! Thus I bought this bike because the experts had designed it to be lighter ....and then I added panniers, topbox, engine guards, Adventure screen, Adventure 'beak' on front mudguard, GPS, etc.etc. but in the meantime I have (to some extent) mastered the art of wheeling it around the garage and of putting it into the centre stand so it still does not seem to be heavy. ( I have watched the salesman in the concessionaires, all 'little Frenchmen,' wheeling new bikes around the showrooms into awkward spaces & admired their skill - apparently never two hands on the bars, but always one on the frame - a 1200LT seems no more of a problem than a 650!) So why buy an 800 if I can afford and remain happy with my 1200?
 
Let us know your views

My 12GS is booked in for its 12k service on the 6th of June and I was given a choice of demo. I've booked the 800ST as I haven't ridden one yet and I wanted to see how the VFR beater (according to BIKE :rolleyes: ) performed. I suppose another reason is an idea of how the 800 engine will adapt for the F800GS. A mate of mine has also placed a deposit on the 800GS for when it's released. I hope he doesn't have to wait too long tho'.

It will be interesting to read about your conclusions.
 
Maybe, but it seems to be generally agreed that the actual weight olf the 1200GS is never apparent except when wheeling it around the garage, parking- perhaps on a camber- on either stand, and.....no, cannot think of any other time! Thus I bought this bike because the experts had designed it to be lighter ....and then I added panniers, topbox, engine guards, Adventure screen, Adventure 'beak' on front mudguard, GPS, etc.etc. but in the meantime I have (to some extent) mastered the art of wheeling it around the garage and of putting it into the centre stand so it still does not seem to be heavy. ( I have watched the salesman in the concessionaires, all 'little Frenchmen,' wheeling new bikes around the showrooms into awkward spaces & admired their skill - apparently never two hands on the bars, but always one on the frame - a 1200LT seems no more of a problem than a 650!)
You appear to have made my point (the bloke who works in my local tyre fitters, is about 5'6" and 9 Stone. He has no issue at all wheeling huge bikes up onto the ramp.

He can probably ride them too but living with one daily might just be another matter entirely.

I guess someone with the knowledge to produce a formula of rolling resistance as affected by weight can come up with the figures but I suspect that on a level surface, the 30 kilo weight loss of the 1200GS over the 1150GS doesn't amount to much?
So why buy an 800 if I can afford and remain happy with my 1200?
I wasn't aware that anyone was making that suggestion. Even if you are vertically challenged, if you feel happy with your bike, fine. :nenau

It's just possible that some who have been put off the 1200GS by its height might find an 800GS (when it emerges) more comfortable.
 
My local BM dealer told me exactly the opposite of what you stated actually.
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Then mine told me differently to yours....

Any BMW is an entry level bike... depends on the size of your wallet or ego :augie

Just been to Berlin and back on the F800ST, factory visit and look up some friends. 1,600 miles door to door, comfortable, 62mpg average, had a razz round der Nürburgring, it will easilly out accelerate a 1200GS, highest recorded speed on GPS 133mph ;)

OK the F800GS will be geared differently and will have a lower top speed, but this will only give it more midrange :thumb

Can't wait for mine :D :D

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Power / weight and all that!

" it will easilly out accelerate a 1200GS" .....now that is surprising as (according to BMW's own figures) it is 9 kg heavier than the 1200GS.
 
weight has nothing to do with acceleration, it's all down to where the power is, how much and gearing.

I know a couple of cars that will out accelerate a 1200gs and they weight a hell of a lot more

And according to BMW's website the F800s is 209 Kg's fuelled and ready the 1200gs 225Kg's
 
" it will easilly out accelerate a 1200GS" .....now that is surprising as (according to BMW's own figures) it is 9 kg heavier than the 1200GS.


Dunno where you're looking my friend, 800ST and 1200GS brochures here in front of me.

Empty, road ready...

800ST 209 kg
1200GS 225KG

:rolleyes:

:beerjug:

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Comparative weights

"Dunno where you're looking my friend, 800ST and 1200GS brochures here in front of me." Yes, I am afraid that I was NOT comparing like with like. From MY brochures ' Poids à sec' 800ST is 187kg and 1200GS is 199kg. So in fact the 1200GS is 16kg heavier in UK or 12kg in France! (No doubt due to the gravitational pull here )
"weight has nothing to do with acceleration, it's all down to where the power is," ..... was I really wrong here as well? My wife will be pleased to hear that she can discontinue her dieting now!

However to come back to this serious subject; has anyone actually moved from a 1200GS to an 800ST ( as I intended before testing the 800) and been satisfied/pleased/delighted or what?
 
However to come back to this serious subject; has anyone actually moved from a 1200GS to an 800ST ( as I intended before testing the 800) and been satisfied/pleased/delighted or what?


Yup Brian... I have. The ST is only an interim measure until the 800GS comes through the door next Spring. I sold my 1200GS-A back end of last year because to be honest it was too big for me. Not for riding, but living in a terrace house it was just too much of a pain to get out the rear gate!

The F800ST is easier to manage by far than even the 650GS-Dakar!

I'm not only satisfied with the transition, but I'm pleased and delighted. Horses for courses of course and not everyone will agree. I like the ST more thas I thought I might. It's certainly a mile muncher and handles delightfully on the twisties :D Really can't wait for the 800GS.

I have to smile... there's going to be one or two surprised 1200 owners... the 800GS is going to be a bitter pill for them to swallow. You can already see folk jumping to defend the 1200 against the new kid in town :bounce1

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www.adventure.gs
 
i tried an 800ST....and loved it - comfortable riding position, ample power, great in the twisties ......... maybe i should have turned the owners GPS off before i borrowed it as the first thing he did was check the highest speed recorded when i gave it back....ooops.....bloody good fun though mickey.....!!! :thumb2

i tried another 800ST (demonstrator from a main dealer) and it was a pile of poo......really soft front end suspension - felt awfull - i was convinced it was faulty - and took the 800s demonstrator out immediately after (is that what its called - 800s -the "sportier" one...?) and the front end was nice and hard / felt a kazillion times better....

i will try another when the oppertunity arises as i really like the idea of getting an 800ST as a second bike........

i have ridden v-tech vfrs and they are cracking bikes - but the v-tech is not to my liking - my gran could ride the bmw 800st (i mean it's easy to get on with straight away) ample power, good economy, good riding position (but i am only 5'7 (and a half), shite luggage though, (apparently) cheap to service every 6k (against vfr which is every 4k)......the bmw feels small after the 1200gs but not in a bad way...
 
Have they sorted out the transmission chatter on the 800 yet? I had one as a demo when they first came out and it towns it was making so much noise from the tranny that it was embaressing, I think BIKE mag described it as the sound of a portcullis slamming up and down, apart from that, if they've fixed it I would certainly consider one as the rest of the bike was good.
 
I have to smile... there's going to be one or two surprised 1200 owners... the 800GS is going to be a bitter pill for them to swallow. You can already see folk jumping to defend the 1200 against the new kid in town :bounce1
:clap

The 800GS should be seen as an alternative to the 1200GS and not a 'down market' or poor man's GS, the same way that the 650GS's should be viewed.

People don't just make choices informed by what's the fastest or most expensive, they do so according to need or use.
 
Have they sorted out the transmission chatter on the 800 yet? I had one as a demo when they first came out and it towns it was making so much noise from the tranny that it was embaressing, I think BIKE mag described it as the sound of a portcullis slamming up and down, apart from that, if they've fixed it I would certainly consider one as the rest of the bike was good.

BMW have made an improvement in the transmission. Existing owners who complain can have the mod retro-fitted.
The dealer should be able to tell you whether the bike has been modified.
 
Perhaps I will try again

"my gran could ride the bmw 800st " says Steve - so I suppose that as I am old enough to be his grandad I might have another test ride - especially as they say the engine clatter has been eliminated; it would be VERY difficult to part with the 1200GS though!
 
"my gran could ride the bmw 800st " says Steve - so I suppose that as I am old enough to be his grandad I might have another test ride - especially as they say the engine clatter has been eliminated; it would be VERY difficult to part with the 1200GS though!


Err, IMHO: Don't wast your money Brien.

I had the ST for three days (I have to admit I'm not a sports bike lover 'riding position don't suit me')

On collection I was cusious about this strange little bike. My ride home is about an hour and a half when accompanying SHMBO 'dule carridge way, Motorway, twisty 'A' road, big 'A' road, fast 'A' road, twisty 'A' road and home' Once riding the 800 st I immediatley grew horns :green gri . This bike is fast! picks up speed quickly smooth through the gears hit's 135 on the speedo supprisingly quickly. I play like this for half the trip home. we stop for a bite to eat and then off again. This time I make a concerted effort to go steady. Well it sort of worked you see I do tend to play about a bit with new toys. :rolleyes:

By the time we arrived home I was starting to notice things about the bike that I did not when I first through my leg over it.
When you shut the throttle the thing sounds like it's falling apart internaly :(

On day two I head off to work. A comute of about six miles 'Fast 'A' road, Dule carridgeway, Town filtering'.
As with day one the 800st is good on the 'A' roads etc. Then I hit town and filter through the traffic. The bike needed to be in first or second gear at twenty mph or less and it just rattled all the time :( constant chainging of gears.
I was thinking of using the 800 as a training bike that day following 500's around town, Took the 1300 pan instead 'I wasn't going to wast my time faffin about with the constant peddle paddeling' (And I'm not a lover of the 13 pan either).

Day three: The twisties :green gri :green gri Wow this thing is fun on the 'B' roads. The non ABS brakes are awsom :thumb2 But god you have to work the blessed thing.

On returning to collect my 1200 I again had to travel the long dule carridgeway. I did this at a steady 80/90 with a slight head wind. What exactly is that screen for? It's too low to benefit and too close to hide behind (I'm a tad under 5'10" if your wondering).

What I noticed with the 800st is the amount of times I had the throttle on the stop, the lack of wind protection for a so-say touring/commuting bike, the insecent gear chainging and just how difficult it is to use.
Oh it's got a rasonably comfortable seat 'in line with the other BM's I've used anyway'.

I collected my 1200gs and headed home. I quickly realised I was travelling faster and with absolutly no effects from the wind and with almost no effort :nenau

So I'm not going to be buying one. As I said above it's not the type of bike I like anyway. But interesting to have a decent chance to put it through it's paces. I will however be testing the gs version when it appears 'and asking if the gear ratios have been chainged'

I'm well aware that some of you think the 800 is a great little bike, and I'm perfectly prepaired to agree. It's brilliant fun on small twisty roads (there's a guy rides a Fireblade whole testify to that).
It kind of left me wondering?? What is this bike for? Where exactly does it fit in to the scale of things in comparrison to it's competition???

I've been useing a 600 Hornet for the last fourtnight, I hate the thing. It's too small, too buzzy and no wind protection.

But in town the Hornet will travel smoothly at 20mph in top gear with no rattles or juddering. On the 'A' roads it's seriously fast (140 mph) 'if you can hold on to the thing'. At 80mph in top you can dropp three gears and give the big boys a hell of a supprise. It's good for commuting, touring, playing, teaching. The mpg is nonsence though.
Hate it as I do, you have to admit it's got function and is totally usable right across the range.

With bikes like the Hornet around, the burning question with the BMW 800st is:

Why????????????? :nenau



Val.
 


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