Anyone Using Hyperpro suspension units?

[Magwych]

I ahve just picked up a pair of units with the piggu back reservoir to fit my 1200GSA. But, they came without manuals or any form of instructions.

Fitting them is not a problem, but I have no idea what adjustments may have been made to the Hi/Lo compression or rebound adjusters. Out of the box the rear had 16 clicks out on the blue, 13 on the gold; and teh front had 2 clicks out on the blue and 10 on the gold. These ar eout of a range of 32 clicks on each. Rear rebound was 20 clicks out, front was 25.

I have looked over the internet and cannot find any online doumentation; I tried dropping emails to both Hyperpro and to Calsport (UK distributor), but neither have responded.

If anyone has fitted these, do you know what the stock settings for the damping adjusters are? I do not even know which of the 2 compressions adjusters is hi-speed and wich is low. I think it is blue for hi-speed and gold for low?

Any guess on the recommended static sag too?

Any help appreciated, even abuse if it makes me laugh

 

[jwpzx9r]

You are asking how long is a piece of string really First thing to do is set the static sag then set the dynamic sag you will get ball park figure on any motorcycle suspension setup site the rule are the same for all road based bikes. You have to ware all the normal riding gear and have the bike loaded as you would for you normal use. After you have set the sag you are ready to do the rebound and comperession damping effects. I think you would need to do a lot of testing to get it right for yourself and I say yourself because everybody likes their setup slightly differently. WARNING SUSPENSION SETUP IS A BLACK ART and its difficult to do without lots of testing... just ask Mr Rossi etal. Very good luck to you!

 

[Greenman14]

MCT suspension have some great reviews on the KTM forum, and KTMs have loads of adjustment options and the standard setup doesn't suit many people. I'm sure they could set it up for you.

 

[wust588]

I ahve just picked up a pair of units with the piggu back reservoir to fit my 1200GSA. But, they came without manuals or any form of instructions.

Fitting them is not a problem, but I have no idea what adjustments may have been made to the Hi/Lo compression or rebound adjusters. Out of the box the rear had 16 clicks out on the blue, 13 on the gold; and teh front had 2 clicks out on the blue and 10 on the gold. These ar eout of a range of 32 clicks on each. Rear rebound was 20 clicks out, front was 25.

I have looked over the internet and cannot find any online doumentation; I tried dropping emails to both Hyperpro and to Calsport (UK distributor), but neither have responded.

If anyone has fitted these, do you know what the stock settings for the damping adjusters are? I do not even know which of the 2 compressions adjusters is hi-speed and wich is low. I think it is blue for hi-speed and gold for low?

Any guess on the recommended static sag too?

Any help appreciated, even abuse if it makes me laugh

A brilliant source of info is on Don Eilenberger's site.
Just Google his name.

 

[hodgkins]

SET UP

I ahve just picked up a pair of units with the piggu back reservoir to fit my 1200GSA. But, they came without manuals or any form of instructions.

Fitting them is not a problem, but I have no idea what adjustments may have been made to the Hi/Lo compression or rebound adjusters. Out of the box the rear had 16 clicks out on the blue, 13 on the gold; and teh front had 2 clicks out on the blue and 10 on the gold. These ar eout of a range of 32 clicks on each. Rear rebound was 20 clicks out, front was 25.

I have looked over the internet and cannot find any online doumentation; I tried dropping emails to both Hyperpro and to Calsport (UK distributor), but neither have responded.

If anyone has fitted these, do you know what the stock settings for the damping adjusters are? I do not even know which of the 2 compressions adjusters is hi-speed and wich is low. I think it is blue for hi-speed and gold for low?

Any guess on the recommended static sag too?

Any help appreciated, even abuse if it makes me laugh

Hi i used race lab to set all my bikes up in the past they are great .
They are in bournmouth.Its worth doing.

 

[Magwych]

You are asking how long is a piece of string really First thing to do is set the static sag then set the dynamic sag you will get ball park figure on any motorcycle suspension setup site the rule are the same for all road based bikes. You have to ware all the normal riding gear and have the bike loaded as you would for you normal use. After you have set the sag you are ready to do the rebound and comperession damping effects. I think you would need to do a lot of testing to get it right for yourself and I say yourself because everybody likes their setup slightly differently. WARNING SUSPENSION SETUP IS A BLACK ART and its difficult to do without lots of testing... just ask Mr Rossi etal. Very good luck to you!

Not really, I am just asking what the base settings are, not what settings should be, sorry if that was not clear.

Both Ohlins and Wilbers are "built to cutsomers exact requirements", yet all are delivered with mnauals that give you the base settings. I celeive that each manufactrurer has a limited range of springs to choose from, and preset shims stacks for the internals, the closest combination is selected for the specfic needs. When delivered the base settngs will match or be close to the riders needs. The downside of uying used suspension units is that without knowing what the base settings are one has no idea what the previous owner may have doen to them in pursuit of their perect settngs. I suspect that just 2 clicks out for the high speed damping and 10 on the low speed, out of a range of 32 clicks, may be a tad firm.

On the subject of sag you are quite right, the most important thing is to get this right first. That is why I am asking if anyone knwos what the sag should be set to. I Am aware what to use for normal constant rate springs, but trh Hyperpro springs are progresssive, so will probably require a different static sag. The limited documenatiom I have found so far simply says, set the static sag and you are done, but no mention what that might be.

I can start with them seat they arrived and spend a few hours workign towards the best settings, bit knowing the base would help and save several hours of work and testing

Setting up your own suspension to suit you is not a black art, approach it methodically and make notes as you go. Competitive riders have the advantage of suspension specialists who can provide much finer adjustments by altering the shim stacks, internals and get very specifically rated springs built. I am not after that level of adjustment, just getting it back to base then making the snall adjustmenst to get it "just it rght" for me, using the adusters available.

 

[Magwych]

A brilliant source of info is on Don Eilenberger's site.
Just Google his name.

Thanks , Don summarises my problem here, but does give some hope :

With a linear (not progressively wound) spring - the rule of thumb is 1/3rd the total suspension travel = correct dynamic sag. It's a rule of thumb making for a good starting point.. some adjustment up/down is probably going to be necessary, but it will get you very close to where it should be.

NOTE - I said "linear" spring. I got fooled on the Hyperpro's which come with progressive wound springs. A progressive wound spring starts out soft and as it gets compressed gets stiffer. A linear spring, provides linear force throughout it's length (until the coils start touching, aka "coil-bound"). It turns out I needed more dynamic preload (less sag) with the progressively wound spring due to the non-linear characteristics.. I found about 1/4 travel dynamic preload to be workable for the progressively wound springs.. What's interesting - Hyperpro gives no dimension or guide to dynamic, probably because of the progressive nature of the springs. But - I've digressed..

 

[jwpzx9r]

Not really, I am just asking what the base settings are, not what settings should be, sorry if that was not clear.

Both Ohlins and Wilbers are "built to cutsomers exact requirements", yet all are delivered with mnauals that give you the base settings. I celeive that each manufactrurer has a limited range of springs to choose from, and preset shims stacks for the internals, the closest combination is selected for the specfic needs. When delivered the base settngs will match or be close to the riders needs. The downside of uying used suspension units is that without knowing what the base settings are one has no idea what the previous owner may have doen to them in pursuit of their perect settngs. I suspect that just 2 clicks out for the high speed damping and 10 on the low speed, out of a range of 32 clicks, may be a tad firm.

On the subject of sag you are quite right, the most important thing is to get this right first. That is why I am asking if anyone knwos what the sag should be set to. I Am aware what to use for normal constant rate springs, but trh Hyperpro springs are progresssive, so will probably require a different static sag. The limited documenatiom I have found so far simply says, set the static sag and you are done, but no mention what that might be.

I can start with them seat they arrived and spend a few hours working towards the best settings, bit knowing the base would help and save several hours of work and testing

Setting up your own suspension to suit you is not a black art, approach it methodically and make notes as you go. Competitive riders have the advantage of suspension specialists who can provide much finer adjustments by altering the shim stacks, internals and get very specifically rated springs built. I am not after that level of adjustment, just getting it back to base then making the snall adjustmenst to get it "just it rght" for me, using the adusters available.

Sorry Magwych I did not mean to rub you up the wrong way. I am only stating what most experienced bike riders already know.. and that is 95% of motorcylists with fully adjustable suspension do not have a clue how their suspension is affected by adjustments made and don't know how to adjust said suspension to get the desired effect. You may be different but reading your post I doubt it or you would not be asking these questions. Now before you go off on one I am not an expert either. As to base setting I have already told you there is no such thing ,a base setting can only apply to individuals who are the exact same weight with their bikes loaded with the same gear, wanting to use the bike for the same purpose. The base setting you can set is the sag which is normally about one third of the total suspension movement after that you need to test test test! I was told by Maxton suspension that the manufacturers of bikes such as the GS have suspension units which are next to useless in terms of adjustability!! In as much as the difference between the max and min effect of the damping adjustment is next to nothing! Thats why people turn to them and other suppliers such as Olhins, their units do something when you change a parameter. If you want to split hairs the only base setting you can have after setting the sag is to set the compression and rebound damping bang in the middle of the range and adjust from there. I wish you lots of luck in your quest and remember test,test and test again.

 

[Magwych]

Anyone out there with any first-hand experience of the Hyperpro units?

 

[Bendy toy]

I had a shock rebuilt by hyperplasia. It worked fine after.

Put rebound damping settings to mid point and compression to minimum. If it's kicking back after a bump or bounding up and down its too soft. If it's pumping up over ripples it's too hard.

Now try 75% and 25% to compare how they all feel. Work out from whatever feels best until you find the sweet spot.

When that is good as you can find start to play with compression. That makes the shock feel stiffer so harder settings make the ride more bumpy.

 

[Waynoveten]

You will need to make contact either with the Dutch factory or the UK importer to determine if you have the correct spring on unless the previous owner was the same weight,set up is pointless other wise.

Wilbers make customs shocks,Ohlins do if you ask, or purchased from a franchised outlet and they have asked,,but there are plenty of outlets that neither ask or know.

 

[Bendy toy]

Sorry Hyperplasia? WTF!

Stupid phone spell checker. I mean meant HyperPro

 

[Magwych]

Got an aswer from Hyperpro, in case anyone else wants to know:

The most important thing, is to set the SAG value correctly, as described in the manual that i’ve included.

Basic settings for both shocks are:

Rebound: 19 clicks open
Compression hi+lo: 15 clicks open.
All counted from fully closed.

Rider sag should be 40mm at the front and 45/50mm at the rear.

FYI, for Wilbers the base settings are

A standard shock has the following basic setting values:
Rebound 12-14 clicks total range: 0-22 clicks
Compression/low speed 12-14 clicks total range: 0-22 clicks
Compression/high speed 12-14 clicks total range: 0-22 clicks
Preload adjustment has been set ex-factory according to your personal data.