Are 1200 gs's designed to fail

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Engineer said:
10% failure rate is diabolical - in our industry if we have more than 0.1% we become concerned if it gets to 1% we are seriously worried and the engineering department will drop everything else and concentrate on solving the issues as fast as possible.

10% failure rate may have been the 'norm' in the bad old days of the British bike industry - 10% is totally unacceptable.
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Methinks you misread the post..davedyer said, '...If only 10% of them were faulty....' ie. it's a made up number. I suspect he has no idea how many were faulty*

Could just as well have read, 'If only five, or fifteen or one or 99 or point one (chose whatever number you like) percent were faulty*....'

Panic not.




*Whatever 'faulty' means....
 
Wapping said:
Methinks you misread the post..davedyer said, '...If only 10% of them were faulty....' ie. it's a made up number. I suspect he has no idea how many were faulty*

Could just as well have read, 'If only five, or fifteen or one or 99 or point one (chose whatever number you like) percent were faulty*....'

Panic not.




*Whatever 'faulty' means....
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If say 2000 new 1200GS's were sold in 2006 in the UK, I wonder how many of those have had warranty issues 10, 20, 50, 100, 200?

It would make an interesting poll. Not all GS owners use this site and those without problems may not bother replying, so I suspect that any result woud be an underestimate but still would be interesting.
 
Of course they are not designed to fail - they just do and a lot more often than they should!
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This really is a tired and old sort of thread. Early bikes it would appear yes - recent bikes no. One can only go by personal experience because some of the owners are too stupid to own a bike - and they can be the "vocal" variety. I've had no problems - but I read the manual. :thumb2
 
Engineer said:
If say 2000 new 1200GS's were sold in 2006 in the UK, I wonder how many of those have had warranty issues 10, 20, 50, 100, 200?

It would make an interesting poll. Not all GS owners use this site and those without problems may not bother replying, so I suspect that any result woud be an underestimate but still would be interesting.
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What a load of bollocks:loopy :tosser

Shep
 
I got the Friday afternoon GS1200.
Owned it 8 months, back in the dealers 9 times including 3 on the back of a towtruck.
All electrical problems. Primary and secondary coil failures (Twice EACH!). Fuel pump failure. Emitter ring failure, remapping of software recall etc.:spitfire

2005 model, 7000 miles in 8 months. THAT ONE MACHINE was a sack of shit.
The 1150 GSA that I traded in for to get rid of the 1200 carried me for another 12000 miles without a single fault.:D

I was unlucky. Is the 1150 better? I dunno. Just the one I had was fine, dunno about yours :nenau


But I don't trust BMW's new machinery any more :mad:

Gone back to a K series for a while. But I'll be back, no doubt :D :D :thumb
 
wilbjr21 said:
This really is a tired and old sort of thread. Early bikes it would appear yes - recent bikes no. One can only go by personal experience because some of the owners are too stupid to own a bike - and they can be the "vocal" variety. I've had no problems - but I read the manual. :thumb2
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It may be a tired old thread - but have you thought why?
It's obvious to me why people still keep asking the same old questions - It is because the same old problems are still happening!
 
Engineer said:
What is? Having a poll? or how many people I think have had problems?
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The poll would be worthless for the reasons you state yourself, your negativity is outstanding, there are plenty of happy 1200GS owners as also there are happy & unhappy 850, 1000, 1100, 1150 & 1200GS owners Most manage to sort their shit out and move on, something you seem to find a problem doing, have a nice life:thumb

Shep
 
The poll would be worthless for the reasons you state yourself, your negativity is outstanding, there are plenty of happy 1200GS owners as also there are happy & unhappy 850, 1000, 1100, 1150 & 1200GS owners Most manage to sort their shit out and move on, something you seem to find a problem doing, have a nice life

:clap :clap :clap
 
wilbjr21 said:
Early bikes it would appear yes - recent bikes no.
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It's bit early to substanciate, since the original post suggested the they fail out of warranty...the new ones haven't got there yet:kissy2

But my last trip to Morocco included three 1200s and three 1150s, all behaved perfectly. :clap :Duchess
 
Shep said:
The poll would be worthless for the reasons you state yourself, your negativity is outstanding, there are plenty of happy 1200GS owners as also there are happy & unhappy 850, 1000, 1100, 1150 & 1200GS owners Most manage to sort their shit out and move on, something you seem to find a problem doing, have a nice life:thumb

Shep
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Negativity? - I said that the GS is probably the best bike that I have ever owned; it is a great bike and I am extremely happy with it - I have no "shit to sort out" - however I have a science, engineering and computing background so I have a tendency NOT to have the 'arty-farty bury my head in the sand' attitude when there is a problem - technical progress (if that is a good thing) never happened without examination of the past 'cockups'

A poll would NOT be worthless - there is no such thing as a bad experiment, except perhaps to those who do not wish to be objective and perhaps fear the outcome - I prefer to get at the facts rather than hide from them.
 
Engineer said:
A poll would NOT be worthless - there is no such thing as a bad experiment, except perhaps to those who do not wish to be objective and perhaps fear the outcome - I prefer to get at the facts rather than hide from them.
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What would be the point of a poll of only a few on the owners of one model of bike:nenau Even if you managed to get factual answers for one model (unlikely as there are people with axes to grind in both camps), there is little to compare results with.

Shep
 
Don't really want to prolong this thread as it has all been done before. I do however think that engineer is right when he comments on certain faults which recurr. Fuel pump, final drive seal, gearbox output shaft seal etc. My quibble is that BMW wait for these to fail, rather than have a general recall and fix them properly before failure. It's obviously more expensive, but it would remove the lottery as to who is going to get a failure, and go some way to reassuring those who are considering buying one of the earlier models on the second hand market.
 
Shep said:
What would be the point of a poll of only a few on the owners of one model of bike:nenau Even if you managed to get factual answers for one model (unlikely as there are people with axes to grind in both camps), there is little to compare results with.

Shep
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The ability to extrapolate meaning from any statistics is dependent upon the sample size - with an internet poll one cannot know what the sample size will be in advance, so one has to do the poll to get the answers.

For the poll to be of any use it would have to be restricted to one model - but the original question was restricted to the 1200 so that's ok. Of course one has to rely on the honesty of the pollees (if that is the right word); I am generally pretty cynical, but surely most GSers are mature(ish) sensible chaps and chappesses - are they not?
 
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