ASA stalling ?

[BusterDan]

Only have to switch the ignition off\on and start the engine again. It happens on average about 1 in every 6 starts. It's annoying but not the end of the world.

Not sure why you have to be so aggressive in your comment either!.
It's my bike and I'll keep it if I want to thank you.

It sounds fairly minor but at the same time it shouldn't be doing it.

Weird thing about my issues is that the bike did not skip a beat for the first 600 miles (no issue getting it in 1st gear either).... I really couldn't fault it. So if you know something isn't right then it's best to push a bit. I do have a feeling these clutch issues may become more common.

 

[pbbanks]

It sounds fairly minor but at the same time it shouldn't be doing it.

Weird thing about my issues is that the bike did not skip a beat for the first 600 miles (no issue getting it in 1st gear either).... I really couldn't fault it. So if you know something isn't right then it's best to push a bit. I do have a feeling these clutch issues may become more common.

It's a difficult fault to replicate and I asked on forums and noone else seems to have the problem. I've been trying to find a pattern as to when it does it but there doesn't seem to be one.
I have about 3.5k miles on the bike now & it has been logged with the dealer so I can push it when the time is right.

I'm sure there will be some improvements going forward with the ASA, possibly through software. The manual 1300gs is a totally new engine and it's only been out just over a year so there could be issues going forwards even with the none ASA 1300s.

I previously had a none ASA1300gs and part ex'd it for the ASA version when it came out at the end of last year. Prefer the ASA as it adds an extra dimension to riding. Easier riding in traffic & still as sporty when you want it to be. Manual gear changes are smoother than the non ASA.

I'll stick with it and I have faith that BMW will sort it eventually.

 

[grantmac]

It sounds fairly minor but at the same time it shouldn't be doing it.

Fully agree. These are expensive machines so should do what they say on the tin, 100% Every time!! Its not as though you've bought some cheap mass-produced crap which can be switched at the drop of a hat......

 

[stever1]

Only have to switch the ignition off\on and start the engine again. It happens on average about 1 in every 6 starts. It's annoying but not the end of the world.

Not sure why you have to be so aggressive in your comment either!.
It's my bike and I'll keep it if I want to thank you.

I’m not being aggressive. Perhaps I should expand on my thinking.
We’re paying more than ever for bikes now. Especially on the premium priced brands.
We should be getting perfectly reliable machines for that money, but it’s not so.
If we keep accepting poor quality , that’s all we will get because there’ll be no pressure on the makers to improve.

 

[botus]

sorry to hear but its the very reason I would never even test ride a bike with this idea let alone buy one - honda do what we all need - a normal clutch married with a normal gearbox - and a computer to faff with the clutch lever when the rider can't be bothered to do it - but as soon as you touch the lever its all yours like a normal bike for five seconds - and it costs and weighs almost nothing - its the best of both worlds

 

[botus]

I can't understand why BM and KTM chose to go the wrong way with something we don't need, that's over complex - if BM had used this of course I have bought one with this decent feature - its effectively the rekluse clutch dirt bike guys use

brilliant naff first part of this video - but you can forget to change and pull off in 6th

nicer honda explanation - the one I should have posted last night

 

[Troppo]

Mine has been faultless.

 

[pbbanks]

sorry to hear but its the very reason I would never even test ride a bike with this idea let alone buy one - honda do what we all need - a normal clutch married with a normal gearbox - and a computer to faff with the clutch lever when the rider can't be bothered to do it - but as soon as you touch the lever its all yours like a normal bike for five seconds - and it costs and weighs almost nothing - its the best of both worlds

If you won't even consider test riding a BM with ASA you'll never know how is to use.
You posted an advert for Honda's Eclutch which is just that: an automatic clutch & doesn't have the option of automatic gear change.
The ASA behaves similar to Eclutch if you put it in manual mode.

 

[botus]

I rely on the engine power being there exactly when I want it to hold the bikes weight for tight maneuvering when throwing the bike about- when it lets you down its easy to drop it or worse in tight traffic you now smash up the two cars around you.... I don't need that

Already nearly dropped a K1600 three times when its flyby wire loses its calibration for fun

No automation can guarantee to do it reliably enough - BMW flyby wire can't even function correctly, let a lone a clutch - check how many GSA ASA models with 300 miles are back in dealerships as approved used - hundreds of them, when you ask the sales guy - Yes a few drop them - then read all the Africa Twin's with DCT they all drop them too

The E Clutch is cheap, simple, and if you check the USA video from the start - he shows at any stage you can just use the clutch and its all yours, like a real bike - so round town in tough conditions you can use the clutch - when you want to pop a wheelie or do something to help off road - its instantly your bike, not a cumbersome computer that never has this scenario programmed in its software

The most tedious bit of changing gear is a hot day stuck in hours of slow traffic and corrupt traffic lighting - here you are not pushing hard - so put the E clutch in second and chill out...

 

[JoeBiff]

TBH - you do sound a bit of a wearisome troll.

 

[Troppo]

I rely on the engine power being there exactly when I want it to hold the bikes weight for tight maneuvering when throwing the bike about- when it lets you down its easy to drop it or worse in tight traffic you now smash up the two cars around you.... I don't need that

Already nearly dropped a K1600 three times when its flyby wire loses its calibration for fun

No automation can guarantee to do it reliably enough - BMW flyby wire can't even function correctly, let a lone a clutch - check how many GSA ASA models with 300 miles are back in dealerships as approved used - hundreds of them, when you ask the sales guy - Yes a few drop them - then read all the Africa Twin's with DCT they all drop them too

The E Clutch is cheap, simple, and if you check the USA video from the start - he shows at any stage you can just use the clutch and its all yours, like a real bike - so round town in tough conditions you can use the clutch - when you want to pop a wheelie or do something to help off road - its instantly your bike, not a cumbersome computer that never has this scenario programmed in its software

The most tedious bit of changing gear is a hot day stuck in hours of slow traffic and corrupt traffic lighting - here you are not pushing hard - so put the E clutch in second and chill out...

Sounds like you need a smaller bike….the 1600 is a big girl.

The ASA’s low speed performance is faultless….feet up, tight up turns are a doddle.

Which you would know if you actually rode one….

 

[roundincircles]

Sounds like you need a smaller bike….the 1600 is a big girl.

The ASA’s low speed performance is faultless….feet up, tight up turns are a doddle.

Which you would know if you actually rode one….

I'm considering an AUTO Box GS. So the above posts are Bollox? Is the issue throttle lag when doing slow manoeuvres? I'm not understanding why people drop their Auto Box bikes.

 

[Troppo]

I'm considering an AUTO Box GS. So the above posts are Bollox? Is the issue throttle lag when doing slow manoeuvres? I'm not understanding why people drop their Auto Box bikes.

There is no throttle lag. Low speed clutch engagement is faultless.

 

[botus]

I'm considering an AUTO Box GS. So the above posts are Bollox? Is the issue throttle lag when doing slow manoeuvres? I'm not understanding why people drop their Auto Box bikes.

a lot of tight maneuvers can only be undertaken if the engine power supports and or picks up the bikes weight - or it just falls over
a lot of it is natural and you don't work at it - its just part of riding you have probably been doing for years - but when it lets you down the force required to hold that load can be phenomenal

first time it was an issue was in London 40 plus years back riding round the back of a 7.5 tonne truck the XJ550 I was on ran on to reserve, right as I expected the bike to pop up - instead if tried to fall over - the issue is the same even Bike journalists on long term test are dropping them all day long

here's the extreme version of using power to overcome physics

 

[botus]

Low-speed manoeuvring without the ability to slip the clutch feels a little awkward and did cause some wobbles. In time, I suspect you’d get used to it.
Already, the system is proving popular, with a take-up rate of about 35 per cent in the UK, and that’s expected to grow

this might be a good review - as he's a bit of a knob so more likely to say it how it is

 

[botus]

the one person in the world telling the truth (aside from me)

 

[pbbanks]

the one person in the world telling the truth (aside from me)

What is your problem & why keep pushing the Honda eclutch .
You are basing all your criticism of the ASA on other people's reviews as you admit you haven't, and won't , ride one.

Have a test ride before talking about something you know nothing about.

 

[botus]

What is your problem & why keep pushing the Honda eclutch .
You are basing all your criticism of the ASA on other people's reviews as you admit you haven't, and won't , ride one.

Have a test ride before talking about something you know nothing about.

the E clutch is what we needed 5 years back - its cheap simple and exactly what a good rider needs to take away the faff when road conditions have already got you 500% more changes than you wanted that ride

that last video I posted - he has it all spot on - a lot of the time ASA works - but you only have to drop it once during ownership to regret it

 

[pbbanks]

the E clutch is what we needed 5 years back - its cheap simple and exactly what a good rider needs to take away the faff when road conditions have already got you 500% more changes than you wanted that ride

that last video I posted - he has it all spot on - a lot of the time ASA works - but you only have to drop it once during ownership to regret it

I give in.
You haven't ridden one so you have no idea.
What is the point of repeating other reviews.

 

[JoeBiff]

I give in.
You haven't ridden one so you have no idea.
What is the point of repeating other reviews.

It’s a bot, scraping data from a narrow source and posting it here.
I doubt there’s a human involved, let alone one who’s ridden on two wheels.